Sleboda Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, KingBrodd said: This would be insanely cool if true. Evil Blade!! They would have to retcon a bit though (which they can do, of course, but I'd prefer they didn't). At the moment, Nagash has 100% unbreakable authority over, and control of, all undead, even vampires (including powerful ones like the Mortarchs). The new vampires would have no ability to betray him, and thus there would be no need to have minders, so to speak. Now, if he wanted to test loyalty but still have control/failsafes, I suppose he could keep his order of vampire vampire-hunters secret, tell certain vampires that they have proven their loyalty and earned free will. Then, he has his secret hunters (who are still 100% enthralled) watch over the free vampire. If he continues to be loyal, then that sort of innovation that comes from free will can be used as an asset. If he gets ideas, well, here comes the hunter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulkes Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Easiest easy to fix death is to break Nagash. Put him in a state where his control isn't complete. Maybe he's lost more of his mind than he thought when the End Times happened and those holes in his memory are a symptom of his control being less than 100%. We just need more going on in death because Nagash is either a bit underwhelming as a god on the table or he's not as strong as he could be (may be his many setbacks could be blamed). 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldarain Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 That is definitely a frustrating narrative dead end imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownDog Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Yesterday's reveal was very exciting but I think we missed something very important. UNDEAD JOHANN!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 hours ago, alghero81 said: Do we know anything on how the new lockdown affected Nottingham production? In theory they should be shut until end of February... Just a slight detour but I imagine not a lot. You can still go work under the current rules. I imagine transporting things will be the issue but I suspect with GW switching to a two week release schedule helps that out. 9 hours ago, Incineroar87 said: How long between the vampire warband reveal and new potential AOS vampire army reveal do you guys think ? Is it also possible that the AOS Death army isn't vampires but is something completely new? If there is an army, probably this year. Also if there’s a new edition, they could be part of that box set 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkbelly Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said: If there is an army, probably this year. Also if there’s a new edition, they could be part of that box set Oohh... this could be the thing that finally pushes me to get a box set. Vampire Counts were my first army, right after they split from the Undead and became their own faction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Isle Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 GW did the vamp turned vamp hunter once before with the gorgeous Marianne Chevaux in Mordheim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleser Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) They will preview vampire warband first friday in february. That has been statet in Warhammer underworlds roadmap. Yesterday it was first Vision of glory article showing Seraphon which should be released in february. It was not first friday of month but probbably because first one was new year so they postponed it for second friday in month. Following this pattern we will see vampires on 05. February. Edited January 9, 2021 by Aleser 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, BrownDog said: Yesterday's reveal was very exciting but I think we missed something very important. UNDEAD JOHANN!!!!! They could also just reanimate him as a Stormcast. Which I wouldn't even be completely against, even though I have a distaste for using human souls for Sigmar's slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Fulkes said: Easiest easy to fix death is to break Nagash. Put him in a state where his control isn't complete. Maybe a side effect of the Necroquake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelfric Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Sleboda said: They would have to retcon a bit though (which they can do, of course, but I'd prefer they didn't). In the lore there have been stories about the early Gods of Death that existed before Nagash destroyed them one by one, and there has been suggestion that some may still be in existence but hiding. Sigmar has even sent Questors looking for them. It would only take one to resurface and begin an offensive against Nagash - I'm sure they'd find allies to help them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Fulkes said: Easiest easy to fix death is to break Nagash. Put him in a state where his control isn't complete. Maybe he's lost more of his mind than he thought when the End Times happened and those holes in his memory are a symptom of his control being less than 100%. We just need more going on in death because Nagash is either a bit underwhelming as a god on the table or he's not as strong as he could be (may be his many setbacks could be blamed). Considering all the death going on right now I do wonder if at some point GW is going to lore fragment Nagash's legions. Right now Nagash is mostly taken up dominating all the different deadlands within his realm; but since all the dead end up there - barring the cream that Sigmar steals - and whatever demons steal - then in theory Nagash has an army that is always growing and never diminishing. In theory he will arise to be the most powerful even if he just waits out the other gods. We already know that Vampires actively try to escape his control if they could; his Mortarchs, whilst created from memory, also plot to escape their master. I could well see Nagash being brought low at some point in the future. The joy of that is that bringing him low wouldn't actually change anything in the game lore itself. Lore wise the various factions might throw off their shackles; but there'd still be a core loyal or willing to work with Nagash so he would still appear in those armies. So mechanically on the tabletop nothing would change. Lore wise it would stop Nagash being an ever growing juggernaut. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotAWzrd Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Death could do with more infighting like there is in Order and Chaos. Soulblight factions in open rebellion against Nagash makes sense, but I think a challenger to Nagash’s relative omnipresence within Shyish is needed as well. Giving him multiple usurpers to deal with would make things much more interesting. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alghero81 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Nagash power is not infinitely growing although. Flesh-Eater are not controlled and we now they can reproduce by spreading their curse. We don’t know what happens to their souls but I would expect they don’t go to Nagash either? Then there’s things like Idoneth, Chaos gods, Sigmar and now mountains like Beastgrave, cities like Shadespire, etc. So yeah while in theory he could only grow in size in practice it’s a slow drip because of all new soul thieves hence the Soul Wars... I personally would like to see more Death based armies but I don’t care who in the end controls them but I admit Nagash needs to be reigned over a bit especially the all-consuming Nadir in Nagashizzar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dongilles Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Saw this on facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulkes Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Yeah, they said the same in thw WHC article IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Antiguo Guardián Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 I´m very excited about the new Death army. It´s a pity that due to the covid situation we cannot play as much as before but... "death is only the begining". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, El Antiguo Guardián said: "death is only the begining". But destruction is imminant... Edited January 10, 2021 by Vasshpit Words are hard...😅 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Vasshpit said: But destruction is immenant... And your spelling is chaotic! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greasygeek Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, MitGas said: And your spelling is chaotic! Whats wrong with it, does it lack Order? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelfric Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Greasygeek said: Whats wrong with it, does it lack Order? I think this topic has probably reached a Dead-end. Shall we move on. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 It‘s about time for a GW Potato-Camera leak imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zamerion Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 When does GW usually upload the underworld cards to the web? I'm curious to see the drawings, to see if the vampires are seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandlemad Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, zamerion said: When does GW usually upload the underworld cards to the web? I'm curious to see the drawings, to see if the vampires are seen They seem to just not have put up the Direchasm cards. You might have more luck checking out the images on e.g. Can You Roll A Crit or Goonhammer. As I understand it though the Direchasm core set only shows the Lumineth and Hedonites so it’ll be a matter of waiting for the StD warband to come out and seeing the fansite reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuminethMage Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, sandlemad said: They seem to just not have put up the Direchasm cards. You might have more luck checking out the images on e.g. Can You Roll A Crit or Goonhammer. As I understand it though the Direchasm core set only shows the Lumineth and Hedonites so it’ll be a matter of waiting for the StD warband to come out and seeing the fansite reviews. Yup, they don’t show any of the new Warbands (the neutral cards are showing some of the older ones from previous seasons). As you say - next chance is the StD Warband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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