The Rumour Thread

[Kyriakin]

19 hours ago, Jamie the Jasper said:

Fair enough, we all have different tastes. To me the guy on the left looks like a half-arsed lump of very expensive resin that someone made up as they went along, then left out in the sun too long, whereas the Glottkin looks like something that somebody actually went to the trouble to design.

And are Forgeworld really doing stuff that GW won't these days, at least for AoS? These days I wouldn't put it past GW to do just about anything. The latest Forgeworld models seem to be less impressive and less coherent riffs on things GW have already done.

Out of interest, what AoS stuff have you bought from Forgeworld?

Edit: Can't get images to appear.

Surely the FW GUO is far more characterful than the current GW one? Ditto KoS.

If we're going to cherry-pick, it works both ways.

Edited February 11, 2017 by Kyriakin

[hobgoblinclub]

The problem with GW doing a GUO is that the Forge World one is great. Granted, it's too small, but it looks exactly like the art. 

[Arkiham]

These guys are up early 

[Siegfried VII]

I think that their usefulness will depend a lot on their points and whether they will be battleline.

Other than that they seem to be good at taking care of warmachines, shooting units and weak characters such as wizards.

[ZaelART]

Can't wait for the rest of the releases, really want to see what formations these fit into.

I think I'll be grabbing most of the vanguard releases anyway, bit of a shame the Gryph-hounds don't seem to have changed much?

[Double Misfire]

Does anyone with the GHB on the AoS app know if gryph-hounds points have changed? Furiously painting a pair for an event in a couple of weeks time.

[Immersturm]

What's with the Angelios key word on the Hunters? Something I missed?

[Turragor]

1 hour ago, Immersturm said:

What's with the Angelios key word on the Hunters? Something I missed?

There are a lot of currently redundant keywords.

At the same time, perhaps Angelos will be used for 'fast' units to trigger some command ability or for battalion composition in future.

[BlooDeck]

Prosecutors also have it. Maybe the Vanguard Wing formation will be reworked to allow Hunters as well? 

[Kaleb Daark]

4 hours ago, hobgoblinclub said:

The problem with GW doing a GUO is that the Forge World one is great. Granted, it's too small, but it looks exactly like the art. 

After the FW bloodthirster I always found leaping kitty thirsted from Gw really disappointing. 

 

[DynamicCalories]

Really late to this but I've just seen the HUUUUGE discount the Stormcasts have received in price. Wow. I hope we see some reboxes of other units like Chaos Warriors and so on to match the new unit size requirements. It's kind of ridiculous how much cheaper the new boxes are, nearly half price!

[Dez]

It's a really good thing imo. I bet we see reboxed Fyreslayers in the near future (speculation) due to the GHB sneak peek and their price reduction.

[Riavan]

5 hours ago, Dez said:

It's a really good thing imo. I bet we see reboxed Fyreslayers in the near future (speculation) due to the GHB sneak peek and their price reduction.

Tbh I think the price reduction might be to get some of the sales instead of third party eBay sellers who are splitting the starter set.

Like in Australia it's 20-30 dollars off eBay for 5 libs from the starter set. Or 80-90 for five from a GW box. Even with the fact you are not getting the great weapons, it's hard to justify that.

I could be wrong, but I think it seems less likely for other factions (except maybe khorne BB). I hope I'm wrong.

Edited February 11, 2017 by Riavan

[Gaz Taylor]

19 minutes ago, Riavan said:

Tbh I think the price reduction might be to get some of the sales instead of third party eBay sellers who are splitting the starter set.

Like in Australia it's 20-30 dollars off eBay for 5 libs from the starter set. Or 80-90 for five from a GW box. Even with the fact you are not getting the great weapons, it's hard to justify that.

I could be wrong, but I think it seems less likely for other factions (except maybe khorne BB). I hope I'm wrong.

Might be a bit of this but I suspect it's more because they want players to feel that they are getting more bang for their buck and offer sets with better value. It's also more inviting for new players 

 

10 hours ago, Immersturm said:

What's with the Angelios key word on the Hunters? Something I missed?

Its been mentioned but I think its for some sort of Fast Attack/Scouting force you can choose in the new book.

13 hours ago, Siegfried VII said:

I think that their usefulness will depend a lot on their points and whether they will be battleline.

Other than that they seem to be good at taking care of warmachines, shooting units and weak characters such as wizards.

I don't think they will be battleline but as mentioned, seem useful for attacking support units (warmachines, shooting units, wizards. etc). If they are cheap points wise, make Stormcast even more scarier!

[Rogue Explorator]

1 hour ago, Riavan said:

Tbh I think the price reduction might be to get some of the sales instead of third party eBay sellers who are splitting the starter set.

Like in Australia it's 20-30 dollars off eBay for 5 libs from the starter set. Or 80-90 for five from a GW box. Even with the fact you are not getting the great weapons, it's hard to justify that.

I could be wrong, but I think it seems less likely for other factions (except maybe khorne BB). I hope I'm wrong.

I am pretty sure the move goes across the board, looking at the sets for Kairic Acolytes and Tzaangor, I think the sprues where designed for a kit with less miniatures, as you get all sprues in duplicate. There where also the recent mechanised infantry sets for 40k that provide some serious savings.

 

I think the overall move is to make the basic building blocks of an army more attainable (Start Collecting boxes, cheaper battlelines, cheaper troops with transports for 40k), which makes starting an army a much less intimidating prospect.

 

Meanwhile, many elite units, clamp packs and big kits keep their hefty pricing, so if you want the full experience, those still generate their old margins, but may actually sell pay more, since people are more likely to get them with a stable base force aquired.

Edited February 12, 2017 by Rogue Explorator
clarified wording, minor formating

[Chikout]

Andy Clark the GW writer who worked on the story for silver tower and Slyvaneth battletome, posted this on twitter.

Hope he is writing a Duardin novel.

[shinros]

3 hours ago, Chikout said:

Andy Clark the GW writer who worked on the story for silver tower and Slyvaneth battletome, posted this on twitter.

Hope he is writing a Duardin novel.

Sweet can't wait steampunk dwarfs.

[RuneBrush]

Sorry bit late to the party (had last week off )

On 10/02/2017 at 0:23 PM, James McPherson said:

I don't know about this guy's background but I did meet the designer who made him at the AOS open day. He said it was fun to sculpt some organic material by hand and combine it with some CAD for the hard edges/hard lines, so what you are seeing is probably a hybrid sculpt of hand sculpted work and Zbrush/CG that is 3d printed for the armour and hard bits. That's probably why it's a bit confusing aesthetically. I think the designers are slowly trying out new techniques and learning new ways to make minis. I think you have to look further than the mini's appearance at face value.

It was Keith Robertson who sculpted him and confirmed it was his last AoS sculpt for a while as he's moving over to specialist games.  Like James I saw the plain resin model last year and the paint job doesn't do the model justice, there's lots of nods to different models across the Bloodbound range and the FW Bloodthirster.  Would also say the model is superior to the GW Daemon Prince

On 10/02/2017 at 0:35 PM, Jamie the Jasper said:

'Cartoony' actually covers a lot of different styles though, but generally you're talking exaggerated proportions and a highly stylised look. Both this new Khorne guy and the newest GW plastics have that, but I'd say GW's execution feels more accomplished, distinctive and detailed than FW's. The stuff FW have been putting out for AoS looks like it belongs in any number of generic 3rd party fantasy miniatures ranges. It's just not cutting it as the mind-blowing, premium priced cousin to the main AoS range that it presumably wants to style itself as.

I remember seeing things like the Chaos War Mammoth and Bloodthirster for the first time and being absolutely blown away by how epic, detailed and high quality they looked compared to the standard GW range. It was like night and day. Forgeworld have unfortunately failed to keep up with the massive strides GW have taken in recent years. Yet their large scale centrepiece models still cost more than the superior GW plastic equivalent.

They really need to up their game, but I doubt anyone on the FW team cares enough about AoS to do that. So they'll just continue releasing the occasional uninspiring, off-looking, overpriced model and claim there's no demand when people spend their money on things like the plastic Lord of Change or Archaon instead.

Think this is a tad harsh.  Currently FW are massively understaffed on the sculptor front (they're advertising for two more full time sculptors) and everybody is being pulled from pillar to post to cover HH, Specialist and various other projects.  FW will always be producing models that veer on the realistic front - it's what they're known for and set up to do.  The new Bloodbowl models - those were done by FW, as are Fimir and Chaos Dwarves and I don't think anybody would say they're under-par.

On 10/02/2017 at 0:44 PM, Jamie the Jasper said:

Picture by way of example. The FW model costs £70, the GW one costs £66. Why on earth would anyone choose the Forgewold model?

That's not FW's GUO - that's a HH special character "Corax Utterblight" so follows the HH style rather than the new fantastical AoS style.

[DinoTitanedition]

Is there any news about new greenskinz? I don`t mean Ironjawz, I mean regular orruks and grots. They have the most dated miniature line would be a typical "For everyone to bash on"-faction fluffwise.

 

Seriously......ENOUGH STORMCASTS......can`t see them anymore. Even a cheaper box doesen`t attract me again. I need something else. No, not Khorne...

[Chikout]

 Check this out.

Taken from dakka. Not impressed by the minis, but looking forward to seeing the new rules and board sections.

I think I would have preferred it to be a card only expansion. 

Didn't see this posted before - regarding the new Warhammer Quest: 

WARHAMMER QUEST: SHADOWS OVER HAMMERHALL 

Warhammer Quest: Shadows over Hammerhall is a stand-alone boxed game for 2-5 players set in the splendid city of Order – Hammerhall. Up to 4 players can quest in the catacombs and dungeons below the city, while another acts as game master, setting fiendish obstacles, controlling the antagonists (monsters) and setting the story – it’s up to this player to take charge of revealing the secrets each dungeon has to offer. 

The game is fully compatible with the Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower game and the Hero Cards. Any miniatures or rules the customer already owns for that game can also be used in this game. In addition, the game has a lot of replay-ability, as character level up and increase their skills as you play. The box contains 31 miniatures, including: 
1x Lord Castellant and Gryph Hound 
1x Cogsmith 
1x Black Art Fleetmaster 
1x Loremaster  
1x Chaos Sorcerer Lord 
5x Putrid Blightkings 
10x Kairic Acolytes 
10x Bloodreavers 
1x 72 page guide book 
1x 32 page adventure book 
18x double sides board sections 
55x cards 
12x dice 
A variety of counters and markers for tracking your heroes as they gain experience and skills under the city of Hammerhall 

£90, on sale 25th Feb.

 

 

[daedalus81]

Ahh, Zargon returns!

It is quite nice that they're giving us full units, if true.    The parts I care most about are the rules and expand-ability.

Edited February 13, 2017 by daedalus81

[Dawnmane]

34 minutes ago, Chikout said:

 Check this out.

Taken from dakka. Not impressed by the minis, but looking forward to seeing the new rules and board sections.

I think I would have preferred it to be a card only expansion. 

Didn't see this posted before - regarding the new Warhammer Quest: 

WARHAMMER QUEST: SHADOWS OVER HAMMERHALL 

Warhammer Quest: Shadows over Hammerhall is a stand-alone boxed game for 2-5 players set in the splendid city of Order – Hammerhall. Up to 4 players can quest in the catacombs and dungeons below the city, while another acts as game master, setting fiendish obstacles, controlling the antagonists (monsters) and setting the story – it’s up to this player to take charge of revealing the secrets each dungeon has to offer. 

The game is fully compatible with the Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower game and the Hero Cards. Any miniatures or rules the customer already owns for that game can also be used in this game. In addition, the game has a lot of replay-ability, as character level up and increase their skills as you play. The box contains 31 miniatures, including: 
1x Lord Castellant and Gryph Hound 
1x Cogsmith 
1x Black Art Fleetmaster 
1x Loremaster  
1x Chaos Sorcerer Lord 
5x Putrid Blightkings 
10x Kairic Acolytes 
10x Bloodreavers 
1x 72 page guide book 
1x 32 page adventure book 
18x double sides board sections 
55x cards 
12x dice 
A variety of counters and markers for tracking your heroes as they gain experience and skills under the city of Hammerhall 

£90, on sale 25th Feb.

 

 

do we have any indication of how legit this is? Having 10 of an adversary group wouldn't make a lot of sense in regards to the way the Silver Tower version of the game works, and that looks like VERY little variety in enemies. Only 3 types and a boss? ST had 9.

[Dawnmane]

7 minutes ago, Dawnmane said:

do we have any indication of how legit this is? Having 10 of an adversary group wouldn't make a lot of sense in regards to the way the Silver Tower version of the game works, and that looks like VERY little variety in enemies. Only 3 types and a boss? ST had 9.

Also: The text consistently misspells Hammerhal, which is usually a good sign of a leak being fake.

[Bimli]

On 2/11/2017 at 6:27 AM, Double Misfire said:

Does anyone with the GHB on the AoS app know if gryph-hounds points have changed? Furiously painting a pair for an event in a couple of weeks time.

no changes 40 points

[BlooDeck]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were 10 bloodreavers/acolytes (they're limited by the sprues after all, but bloodreavers could be as little as three in that case).

But that is just the box art contents.