Ok! I played last night against Skaven (a nice list, well captained) in new Battle for the Pass.
My opponent had something like:
I was v rusty and made a bunch of mistakes and suffered a major loss, but had fun and have a few things to think about.
Kroak - As it was first game with Kroak I'm not sure if I saw his true potential. HOWEVER, I did have like 7 CP in round 2 which is a bit above average but not having to worry about when I wanted to use "All out attack" - for instance - was excellent. I think, with so many CP my idea of a Kroak anvils list is decent buuut I'm not sure if losing Staunch is worth it. I love and hate Staunch. You'd also lose the peppery plate of perfect perfecly perfect perfection (see below) which is another large blow.
The ability to challenge in the enemy hero phase was also excellent and really kept me in the game against all the Skaven casts.
With the 2x Drakes his casting is almost unchallenged. Almost. Putting mystic shield on the Templar is also lovely.
Peter Perfect's Plate of Perfectly Perfect Protection - If TOs allow the new realm artefacts, take this. It is a headache for the opponent and perfect synergy on the LCoSD. It's that simple, we've nothing better to take as an artefact right now.
Everblaze Comet - And I only got one cast off this game due to some poor luck Still it earned its early points I feel. It stopped a Warplighting cannon from advancing on one flank and did it's usual glut of mw.
Stormwinged - I love it. Our one current tome strength is the potential to take Stormwinged x 2. With Kroak CP this and 2 drakes could be heinously nasty.
Mortal Wounds - ofc... my opponent had terrible luck with his warplightning cannons but all the same I had to move my LCoSD forward to challenge an objective/clear clanrats and he overcharged and put 8mw on the drake. He took 7 mw back but the damage was done. I was unaware of the Verminlord Warpseers once per battle instant d6 mw attack so in one round the Drake was out Ignax IS missed but this just changes the paradigms - the methods of playing with the LCoSD.
Subconsciously - and this is why I lost - I believe I was playing like Starcast without Kroak, with Ignax, pre-covid . I know better but ofc when you're playing a game you still make some decisions based on what was good in previous games with similar lists.
Liberators - Am I allowed to put them here? We all know it but still. I explained a few times to my opponent what they were like as he was making decisions "what's their bravery? What save? What kjnd of damage do they do?" I basically told him they were awful. Funnily enough, one survived against the odds and blocked up his flank for 1 extra turn but pure luck can't move them out of the bad zone. We're stuck with them though.
Aetherwings - This is maybe unfair on the scroll because I used them wrong, but without raptors I do think they're not outstanding (if the opponent takes them out). Ignoring them would make them amazing. With hindsight I can also see them working very well for me in some matchups. Are they better than the other options I'd have with the 110 points (40 x 2 + 30) I have left over? That I'm not sure of. Hence "maybe" for now.
Templar v Prime - This is a tough one. I rolled poorly for Rain of stars so I left the opponent with a decent amount of options which (in the double turn he got) he exploited well. The prime would have removed more support (and then admittedly died to warplightning cannons soooo ... I'm just not sure! I'd lose +1 to cast on Kroak/Incantor too.
Taking nothing away from a well played list under my opponent, I think without MW he'd have trouble doing anything to my list and my challenge would have been removing his units from objectives. Which I'd not be too worried about due to how well the drakes can clear hordes.
Even with Battleshock immunity I totally ended 40 clanrats in one phase with the LCoSD and some chip damage from hero phase/shooting phase mw.
... That said, he DID have mw and, though maybe above average in the potential to generate them, he didn't have the MOST in the meta. So there will be some very tough matchups for Starcast/Kroakcast.
I've a bunch of other thoughts to digest but I'm happy with Kroak tbh. I don't think those 320 points are better spent in Starcast lists - right now. Mayybe The lumineth archers but I'm not sure about that. With an Incantor and Kroak you do so much good work.
I am comfortable proceeding (and hopefully getting some tourney games in) with the list I took with some tweaks as my main competitive SC list.