The Rumour Thread

[Still-young]

2 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Do you have a link to the prices?

It’s on the previous page of this thread. 

[Still-young]

19 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said:

€50 is £43. Guessing they'll be £39.50 like lumineth cavalry.

That’s not how GW do it. The example I found was the Stegadon, €50, turn the page to English and its £37.50. 
 

edit: fair enough, I didn’t realise the Lumineth cav was 50 euros too. £39.50 it is!

Edited May 10, 2021 by Still-young

[JackStreicher]

It‘s still rather expensive. I hope the fell bats‘ price reflects their power

2x Blood Knights

1x Vamp Lord

1x Battletome

1x Fell Bats

is 190€ ~ 230+ USD

Mhm

[sandlemad]

2 hours ago, RexHavoc said:

This seems to be the common thing now. I picked up the KO warband yesterday as they were finally back in stock. Its €20 for a Aether-Khemist (which I think is a better sculpt) and three other models against the single Aether-Khemist at €22.50.

It's a bit of a mixed bag, particularly with WHU prices regularly going up, but there's some gems, particularly if you're willing to exercise a bit of creativity in your stand-ins. It gets better for AoS folks when they're rereleased without the cards, cost-wise.

• Hrothgorn is cheaper than the resin Icebrow Hunter. Different base size and doesn't have a spear but those are variously easy fixes/things a chill opponent should not have an issue with
• Spiteclaw's swarm (sans cards) is the same price as the plastic skaven clawlord for a more dynamic mini and a few extra rats
• Vampires! Four vampire lords for only one-and-a-half times the price of one, even at the new higher WHU cost.
• your Aether-Khemist example
• The Godsworn Hunt is cheaper than either the Darkoath Warqueen or the Champion and includes minis that could easily be tweaked to count as both
• Hedkrakka's madmob comes in at almost exactly the price of a Wurrgog Prophet and Big Boss, and includes both. Will be better without the cards.
• The Starblood Stalkers are a little cheaper than the cost of a plastic oldblood and plastic skink starpriest but then most people use bits from the carnosaur kit anyway

It falls apart a bit when you compare WHU kits with some older/cheaper minis like the madcap shaman, chaos sorceror, nurgle sorceror or tzeentch magister, and some are really only good for alternate sculpts, but it's worth thinking of.

Edited May 10, 2021 by sandlemad

[Bayul]

1 hour ago, zamerion said:

No doggos?

[Beliman]

4 minutes ago, Bayul said:

No doggos?

I suppose they will come with the other half of the army (Radukar and company, doggos, etc...)

[Vomikron]

7 hours ago, 123lac said:

Agreed. 5 year old stormcast sculpts did not need a redesign, especially when so many factions still have ancient sculpts. 

AoS is setting a precedent for continuous SCE updates while other factions languish with neglect.

 

I understand why you would feel this way.

From my perspective I think the original Stormcast models are atrocious, every model in the range I could never see myself painting a single one. With these new Stormcast I am all in on the starter set and may even make a Stormcast army.

So from a business perspective what they’re doing is pretty smart and will gather new players and sell more models.

[baiardo]

18 minutes ago, Vomikron said:

I understand why you would feel this way.

From my perspective I think the original Stormcast models are atrocious, every model in the range I could never see myself painting a single one. With these new Stormcast I am all in on the starter set and may even make a Stormcast army.

So from a business perspective what they’re doing is pretty smart and will gather new players and sell more models.

Good for them, I'm selling my sce

[Greyshadow]

Bit harsh. I am not a Stormcast player but I do think they have some absolutely cracking models. (Like the Castellants, Celestants and Questors). That’s not to say there wasn’t room for improvent. (I’ve always thought the colossal hammers of the liberators looked a tad too heavy to be believable).

I was hoping for improved re-sculpts of the existing ‘heavy’ design but I am glad the new models have been so well received. Be interesting to see more.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Greyshadow

[Fairbanks]

41 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I suppose they will come with the other half of the army (Radukar and company, doggos, etc...)

They’re going back to not launching an entire army on day one? 

Okay, something is seriously WRONG with GW.

[EMMachine]

1 minute ago, Fairbanks said:

They’re going back to not launching an entire army on day one? 

Okay, something is seriously WRONG with GW.

It could simply be a 2 week release so the rest will be released on May 29th.

[Drakensgreed]

2 minutes ago, Fairbanks said:

They’re going back to not launching an entire army on day one? 

Okay, something is seriously WRONG with GW.

Relax, at least wait for preorder announcements next Sunday. 
 

If they‘re still not announced then, you can start worrying. 

[Lengthster]

Just now, EMMachine said:

It could simply be a 2 week release so the rest will be released on May 29th.

I really hope it's this way. At the very least they better be in the battletome lest we have another Lumineth situation. If Radukar and those other fellas aren't in the battletome there will actually be blood. People will be SO mad. It is GW and they sometimes learn nothing or at least are too slow to adapt - e.g. Indomitus and Cursed City availability.

[EMMachine]

7 minutes ago, Lengthster said:

I really hope it's this way. At the very least they better be in the battletome lest we have another Lumineth situation. If Radukar and those other fellas aren't in the battletome there will actually be blood. People will be SO mad. It is GW and they sometimes learn nothing or at least are too slow to adapt - e.g. Indomitus and Cursed City availability.

They will be in the battletome. Otherwise we wouldn't even know that the models are existing (we had no idea what models would come with the second wave of Lumineth Models, when first wave was released). Okay, the worst thing that could happen is what happened with Space Marines, where all units were in the Codex, but it took multiple month until the physical Models were released.

[silverstu]

2 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

The new Fell Bats seem to be a lot bigger than the old ones. They were previously on 40mm bases, but check out these absolute units in the back near the Terrorgheist:

Maybe they are more of an elite choice now.

 

Yep they look huge there- the wingspan is magnificent ! Like that the skeletons and zombies come as 20s, but I'm definitely not, definitely not getting any vamps... they do look lovely though...

4 hours ago, Whitefang said:

Fake, but not fake

Hoping the fake bit is the nonsense about dwarfs.. 

[Feii]

2 hours ago, NotAWzrd said:

Agree with the Stormcast perspective. They are, much like SM’s, not just the protagonist of their setting, but the brand identity and the ones that will do most of the heavy lifting in terms of marketing. It stands to reason that GW want them to look the best they can. I feel this is perhaps a soft reboot of the warrior chamber in order to bring the design quality up to the standards of recent releases. If you look at the original AOS release compared to now, there is a noticeable shift in aesthetic whether that’s attributed to better technology or different miniature designers I’m not sure. 
 

re Duardin, merging Kharadron makes no sense to me. They are one of the most isolationist factions by nature and have a very unique aesthetic. Fyreslayers on the other hand, owing to the fact they exist in “lodges” and often act as mercenaries, I can see how they might be merged with a more classical Duardin force. 
 

Finally, I’m not sure what exactly this next Destruction faction will be, but I think there is a good chance at some point this edition we get some kind of refresh or substantial Beastmen release. They mentioned this is the “Era of the Beast”, the edition cover art features Yndrasta fighting what looks like Chaos Spawn, and for the most part the setting will focus on Ghur. Also Kragnos... 

Some of the kharadrons - especially protagonists in the books - are good guys so I could see some people going to the Grungni faction and liking the olden ways. At the same time some could be like BIG duardin faction BIG money LET'S GO!  

[Still-young]

20 minutes ago, Lengthster said:

I really hope it's this way. At the very least they better be in the battletome lest we have another Lumineth situation. If Radukar and those other fellas aren't in the battletome there will actually be blood. People will be SO mad. It is GW and they sometimes learn nothing or at least are too slow to adapt - e.g. Indomitus and Cursed City availability.

They wouldn’t have revealed them with the tome and the rest of the models if they weren’t coming together. 

[Jagged Red Lines]

I definitely feel bad for stormcast players. Even if their armies aren't invalidated, they definitely suffer by comparison to the new models.

That said, I'm 100% going to start a new stormcast army because these miniatures correct the biggest design flaws with stormcast, their chonkiness.

[Sception]

I wish the new stormcast were resculpts.  I do not envy stormcast players who effectively see their existing unites sidelined to push an entirely separate range every edition.  My contrast the new vamp release is mostly resculpts that dramatically improve the look of several existing units, enough that I might eventually replace some of them, but in the mean time if I'm happy with my existing models I can keep using them in the game.  They haven't been functionally invalidated.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

1 minute ago, Sception said:

I wish the new stormcast were resculpts.  I do not envy stormcast players who effectively see their existing unites sidelined to push an entirely separate range every edition.  My contrast the new vamp release is mostly resculpts that dramatically improve the look of several existing units, enough that I might eventually replace some of them, but in the mean time if I'm happy with my existing models I can keep using them in the game.  They haven't been functionally invalidated.

It's kinda crazy to me: In the Soulblight thread, people are upset that we got so many resculpts and not any new units. In the Stormcast thread, people are upset that the new stuff is not a resculpt.

I mean, I get it. The context of those two armies is different. Stormcast have a much larger roster, for one. But still, I can't help but feel that getting upset at cool new models is somewhat unreasonable.

[PJetski]

When GW update an old WHFB era model nobody seems to care, they rejoice that they get updated models. Stormcast are the most recently released line to get replaced, but GW has also replaced kits from 8th edition WHFB so it's not too different.

I have a huge Stormcast collection (10k+ points, about 80% painted) and look forward to getting more. I know it's a soft reboot of the model line but it doesn't erase my old models from existence. I know the oldcast will be phased out slowly over the next 5+ years and that doesn't bother me.

Rules are temporary, models are forever

[cofaxest]

13 minutes ago, Feii said:

Some of the kharadrons - especially protagonists in the books - are good guys so I could see some people going to the Grungni faction and liking the olden ways. At the same time some could be like BIG duardin faction BIG money LET'S GO!  

OMG! You already CAN play as a full duardin army with all type of models (1 per 4 + 20% allies) GW should give wave 2 for all duardin factions.

[Sception]

10 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

It's kinda crazy to me: In the Soulblight thread, people are upset that we got so many resculpts and not any new units. In the Stormcast thread, people are upset that the new stuff is not a resculpt.

I mean, I get it. The context of those two armies is different. Stormcast have a much larger roster, for one. But still, I can't help but feel that getting upset at cool new models is somewhat unreasonable.

Don't get me wrong, I would have liked one or two more new units.  Some vampire infantry, a generic version of that cool zombie gravekeeper hero from cities of cigmar, maybe a caster specialist vampire hero or some ogre zombies.  And while I'm mostly happy with the resculpts, I'm not sure we needed new skeleton warriors, not if they weren't ready to do new grave guard, too.  Most of the complaints I've heard from SG players are less about the resculpts and more about the special characters - too many new named characters for the new kid Vyrkos subfaction, not liking the concept of Lauka's model - which, I mean, fair enough.  I like her, but that's a martmite model if ever I saw one.

What I absolutely would not have wanted to see is "skeleton warriors 2 - they're like skeleton warriors, but they're new models for a separate unit with improved rules!"  Because then you end up in a situation where the old skeleton warriors are just bad and your army doesn't work unless you abandon your existing collection... only to abandon it again when "skeleton warriors 3" come out a few years later.  Or, just as bad, GW's devs mess up their game design, as they often do, and the new improved 'skeleton warriors 2' end up worse than the original skeleton warriors, so now new players are punished for not having access to old out of date models, something that's happened in a few places in 40k with regular marines vs. primaris marines.

Stormcast keep getting the "dudes in armor 2" approach, and while I'm not a Stormcast player, at least from the outside that looks frustrating.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Sception

[cofaxest]

4 minutes ago, PJetski said:

When GW update an old WHFB era model nobody seems to care, they rejoice that they get updated models. Stormcast are the most recently released line to get replaced, but GW has also replaced kits from 8th edition WHFB so it's not too different.

I have a huge Stormcast collection (10k+ points, about 80% painted) and look forward to getting more. I know it's a soft reboot of the model line but it doesn't erase my old models from existence. I know the oldcast will be phased out slowly over the next 5+ years and that doesn't bother me.

Rules are temporary, models are forever

I want to be straight. It will be much harder to sell armies if customers will know that after 5 years their collection will not be usable on the table. I know that it's not the end of the world, but still... 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

1 minute ago, cofaxest said:

I want to be straight. It will be much harder to sell armies if customers will know that after 5 years their collection will not be usable on the table. I know that it's not the end of the world, but still... 

"Not usable" is a bit hyperbolic, though, don't you think? You can probably at least still expect warscroll updates and compatibility with the newest battletome. It's not like Liberators are getting moved to Legends, after all.