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2 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

Mmmm... Gargants...

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Old artwork? And on a tournament ticket?

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4 hours ago, HollowHills said:

The book is full of lore inconsistencies. Personally I am choosing to ignore most of it and stick with the idoneth as presented in the battletome. I imagine the Lumineth tome will at least touch on the relationship between Teclis and the idoneth. 

You can question how many Idoneth even know that Teclis wanted to destroy them. 

The idoneth reveal trailer appears to be narrated by Teclis and he doesn't exactly seem ashamed of them. 

Teclis made them without thinking about the consequences, decided he didn't like what he got and thought it was perfectly acceptable to wipe them all out. 

I don't really see how the idoneth are any worse than most order factions. The cities of sigmar make war for profit, so do the Duradin factions, the sylvaneth kill those who come into their woods. Even the stormcasts are quite happy to wipe whole cities of people out. 

In fact most idoneth only kill to survive and would be perfectly happy staying under the sea if they could. In my view they have the most justified reason for killing out of any army. Plus normal killing sends your soul to shyish where most of the time nagash grabs it and makes you into a slave. Far better to be "reincarnated" as an Aelf than to serve as a mindless thrall for all eternity. 

And? Teclis looked into their souls and saw the corruption within. So what if he wanted to try better.

What makes them a different from other order armies, is that they ALL kill and steal the souls from innocent people in the millions, only the dreadwood sylvaneth attack people who entered the forest immediately. The Oakenbrow don't, they adopted a group of starving giants into their Forest.  The knights Excelsior will attack a settlement that is corrupted with chaos. Only DoK just as bad.

And no, it's still not okay to devour Souls for your own selfish needs.

 

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3 hours ago, Public Universal Duardin said:

(Oh no, that new site looks so confusing and too busy!)

But to the topic at hand:

Well, lads, lasses and enby pals, this is where I think my stop on the hype train comes. I wanted overly-emotional (Kin-strife! Kin-strife!) Silmarillion elves, not the arrogant and aloof LOTR elves! I am most likely hyperbolic right now, but this really feels like Eldar: AoS Edition with similar history, personality and both carry magic stones on them (albeit for different purposes, hahahah!). And nothing against Lumineth or Eldar - or anyone who wants more arrogant elves - but they aren't for me. The models are still cool and I'll gladly follow what kinds of Lumineth we'll still be teased with.

hmm, I could be totally misguided in this thinking since we don't have any other information on these guys, but I would argue that your army could still have tons of emotion, with the added tragedy that they are aware they will eventually lose all it. I'm guessing that each individual lumineth still has different levels of emotion similar to any other human, where some will be clearly more emotional than others

 

 

 

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So I guess this is what the next few months are going to be like. People attacking and defending aelves, people who play aelves hating on people who play different aelves, and everyone complaining about Teclis' model. Cool cool cool.

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The Lumineth's situation sounds like they go through default eastern enlightenment.  Detachment from emotions and ego  to become one with the realm of light. And of the elimination persona.

The sub-factions sound like they could be interesting.

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4 minutes ago, skeen77 said:

So I guess this is what the next few months are going to be like. People attacking and defending aelves, people who play aelves hating on people who play different aelves, and everyone complaining about Teclis' model. Cool cool cool.

Or waiting to see if Sons of Behemat are real or myth

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6 minutes ago, novakai said:

Or waiting to see if Sons of Behemat are real or myth

They're just a myth dude, get with the program.

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22 minutes ago, xking said:

And? Teclis looked into their souls and saw the corruption within. So what if he wanted to try better.

What makes them a different from other order armies, is that they ALL kill and steal the souls from innocent people in the millions, only the dreadwood sylvaneth attack people who entered the forest immediately. The Oakenbrow don't, they adopted a group of starving giants into their Forest.  The knights Excelsior will attack a settlement that is corrupted with chaos. Only DoK just as bad.

And no, it's still not okay to devour Souls for your own selfish needs.

Is it okay to kill to survive? The Idoneth don't go raiding for the fun of it (except maybe the Fuethan). Their infants are born with a terminal disease. Wouldn't you do anything to save your child?

The "light of reason" also drove many Idoneth exposed to it into madness. Teclis was not gentle with his investigation.

It's Warhammer, grimdark gonna grimdark.

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16 minutes ago, skeen77 said:

So I guess this is what the next few months are going to be like. People attacking and defending aelves, people who play aelves hating on people who play different aelves, and everyone complaining about Teclis' model. Cool cool cool.

Sounds like the Old World.  People attacking and defending elves, elves hating on different elves, and everyone complaining about Teclis.

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I don't know if "avoiding literal extinction" counts as a selfish reason, TBH. The Deepkin were deliberately cast as tragic figures for a reason. They aren't noble heroes, nor are they depraved villains.

 

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15 minutes ago, amysrevenge said:

Sounds like the Old World.  People attacking and defending elves, elves hating on different elves, and everyone complaining about Teclis.

Old glorious days once more

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23 minutes ago, Thebazilly said:

Is it okay to kill to survive? The Idoneth don't go raiding for the fun of it (except maybe the Fuethan). Their infants are born with a terminal disease. Wouldn't you do anything to save your child?

The "light of reason" also drove many Idoneth exposed to it into madness. Teclis was not gentle with his investigation.

It's Warhammer, grimdark gonna grimdark.

They don't just kill to survive, they want to expand.  Desiring an ever increasing number of souls(ten souls for every one Idoneth)  and stab their supposed allies in the back, often right after a battle. It's why the sylvaneth don't trust them anymore.   

The grimderp.

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Considering the Namarti will die young and need transplanted souls just to live to 30 I don't buy in the the claim it's strictly for expansion.

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7 minutes ago, Fulkes said:

Considering the Namarti will die young and need transplanted souls just to live to 30 I don't buy in the the claim it's strictly for expansion.

Did I say it was "strictly for expansion"  I said they don't JUST kill to survive.   And they they do expand their race, they have population growth. Needing an ever increasing number of souls(ten souls for every one Namarti)  

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42 minutes ago, madmac said:

I don't know if "avoiding literal extinction" counts as a selfish reason, TBH. The Deepkin were deliberately cast as tragic figures for a reason. They aren't noble heroes, nor are they depraved villains.

I wish this was what united "Destruction" factions. Tragic factions that don't want evil things, but whose culture, society, and existence just don't allow them to co-exist with any of Order, Death, or Destruction.  It would allow for a much more diverse group of forces with some fantastic lore. It really wouldn't be difficult put Orruks, Gitz, or Mawtribes into this type of lore either.

 

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53 minutes ago, amysrevenge said:

Sounds like the Old World.  People attacking and defending elves, elves hating on different elves, and everyone complaining about Teclis.

All elf bros need to unite in AOS and fight back against the overwhelming hate thrown their way!! 

 

Also #Teclisdidnothingwrong! 

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44 minutes ago, Whitefang said:

Old glorious days once more

IDK are the new Dark Elves. Left alone in the dark whining about Teclis being a bad boi.

Can't wait till Malekith shows up a teaches those pesky water elves who is the true master crybaby with daddy/mommy issues. 

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1 hour ago, VBS said:

IDK are the new Dark Elves. Left alone in the dark whining about Teclis being a bad boi.

Can't wait till Malekith shows up a teaches those pesky water elves who is the true master crybaby with daddy/mommy issues. 

Well to me IDK are more like a blend of DE and HE

Hopefully Malekith's boys will show us the true malice of the mortal realms

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Agreed. The way I see it Morathi and her Daughters of Khaine are bloody and brutal, but also somewhat small scale (they only occupy a small corner of the Realm of Shadow) and their very nature is quite dispersed. They are living alongside the Cities and I think that makes them a touch (only a touch) more "tame" in their ideals. They'd rather twist things to their advantage and lack the military build up to force and conquer things. Furthermore their "broken god" and Morathi's own issues I think distracts them from long term goals. Indeed with Morathi biting any Queens that rise up enough to challenge her ideas and with her own whims and such - the DoK are powerful, but not game-changers on their own.

 

Malekith though I think will change things. He's got the greater build of the Realm of Shadows under his sway; he's got vast cities and settlements. That gives him a powerful military force. Furthermore he's not as insane as his mother (it would seem though we don't know all too much about him) and I think that whilst her experiences have jaded her and led her to view things at a bit of a smaller scale; he's viewing the grand scale. Remembering that he's a full God in his own right. 

I can see his army making a blazing appearance into the setting once they are unleashed from the shadows. I can also see him being a real pest in the Order Grand Alliance in general - powerful and selfish enough to cause ripples and wobbles and problems whilst being too powerful to throw aside. 

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2 hours ago, skeen77 said:

So I guess this is what the next few months are going to be like. People attacking and defending aelves, people who play aelves hating on people who play different aelves, and everyone complaining about Teclis' model. Cool cool cool.

Last few years, next few months, every other release after this. 
it’s what happened when ossiarch models were shown, When idoneth released, when kharadron appeared. 

people like different styles, and discuss it. It might not be the most classy thing but it’s not an pointy elves specific thing. 

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The thing is that when Idoneth were mentioned a lot of people said that mistweaver model was an Idoneth... but don't. Then was said that Tenebral shard is a Malerion aelf and Mistweaver a Light aelf. And now I think Mistweaver don't fits the Lumineth, there's no aetherquarz stones and as she has some moons I think maybe is not a Teclis friend. 

Malerion ones will be like a Slanesh cult. Spikes, leather and tentacles (and some bat wings) just like the Tenebral model has

And this leaves me thinking if Mistweaver will never fit an army. And is an incredible model

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