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I'm kinda glad not every faction gets terrain. It feels like a mandatory purchase for armies that do and feels like it pushes defensive play and certain builds (Khorne being the worst offender).

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23 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

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I REALLY doubt that‘s not a bullet.

Looking at it again I'm not sure what I was thinking before. 

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All this Endless Spell/faction terrain stuff seems like it was a bit of an experiment on GW's part to be honest - simpler models made in China, allowing them to compensate a bit for their limited production capacity, plus an attempt to create a new type of product (Endless Spells) and find a way to get people buying a type of product that typically doesn't sell that well (terrain). 

I think it's a mistake to assume GW always has some grand and firmly planned out strategy. Endless Spells and faction terrain seem inconsistent and scattershot because... well, they are. They're GW trying something out and seeing what works and what doesn't. 

Keep in mind as well that GW thinks almost 100% minis first, rules second. There'll never be a rules reason that justifies something existing or not existing - rightly or wrongly, the rules are an afterthought, written after the models are already finalised to give you something to do with them. 

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9 minutes ago, Kramer said:

The rhyme and reason to it is simple. Does a designer have a cool concept. GW works model first. So no cool model means no forcing of the rules. And all the better for it. 
 

Absolutely this!!! I don't want cookie cutter armies.

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On 12/25/2019 at 7:27 PM, Whitefang said:

Now it’s safe to say we can expect endless spells for Tz

However sadly there maybe not so much for KO…

Can we finally acknowledge at the close of the year that we actually have a true rumor source?

In the long and time honored line of Hastings, Atia, and now King Whitefang First of His/Her Name!

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In the interests of not having any potential rumour source carted off by the inquisition I must formally declare that we don't have any rumour sources ;)

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19 minutes ago, Austin said:

Can we finally acknowledge at the close of the year that we actually have a true rumor source?

In the long and time honored line of Hastings, Atia, and now King Whitefang First of His/Her Name!

Wasn't that big a stretch to assume. Tzeench being a magic heavy army and ko not having any mages or priests.

Most rumour sources are guesswork as I doubt anyone in the know would jeopardize their position.

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4 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

Wasn't that big a stretch to assume. Tzeench being a magic heavy army and ko not having any mages or priests.

Most rumour sources are guesswork as I doubt anyone in the know would jeopardize their position.

Just take a moment, and look back through the posting history of Whitefang.  

I mean I could mention that both Khorne and Fyreslayers got endless 'spells'.  But, that is really not the point.  Just take a look back.  

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10 hours ago, Kramer said:

The rhyme and reason to it is simple. Does a designer have a cool concept. GW works model first. So no cool model means no forcing of the rules. And all the better for it. 
 

If none of their designers could come up with cool ideas for Orruk, Cities, Ogor or Kharadron endless spells then they're... well, not very creative. 

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1 hour ago, Austin said:

Just take a moment, and look back through the posting history of Whitefang.  

I mean I could mention that both Khorne and Fyreslayers got endless 'spells'.  But, that is really not the point.  Just take a look back.  

Both Khorne and fyreslayers have priests.

CoS have empowered generic ones which makes sense as they have access to stormcast and sylvaneth ones.

Orukks not having them was a surprise.

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1 hour ago, Ogregut said:

Orukks not having them was a surprise.

What do Orruks need priests for?  They already have Shaman, who are seen as channelling the power of Gork (or Mork) and their God's message is pretty obvious even to an Orruk.  They had the energy of the Waaagh given proper meaning in the Battletome;  They didn't need the intervention of priests or terrain  or endless spells to generate it for them.

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20 minutes ago, Aelfric said:

What do Orruks need priests for?  They already have Shaman, who are seen as channelling the power of Gork (or Mork) and their God's message is pretty obvious even to an Orruk.  They had the energy of the Waaagh given proper meaning in the Battletome;  They didn't need the intervention of priests or terrain  or endless spells to generate it for them.

I meant orruks not having endless spells was a surprise to me. As they have shamans and docs.

Not fussed they don't, my ironjaws prefer a good scrap than all this magic nonsense!!!

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Not sure if anyone has already posted about this, but GW no longer sells 25mm round slot bases, which seems a bit strange to me given they still sell things that need them (there's still a few metal models here and there).

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The biggest problem with KO right now is the lack of battleline options. If the new book makes thunderers, endrinriggers and gunhaulers conditional battleline then we could have a very exciting book with lots of different builds. If we are stuck with the arkanaut company as the only battline, I will join in the complaints. 

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9 hours ago, Kirjava13 said:

It's more the frustrating irregularity of it. Why do Fyreslayers get terrain and not Tzeentch? Why do Blades of Khorne get endless spells and not Orruks? Why do Hedonites of Slaanesh get a new unit range while Skaven get one model? Why do Mawtribes get dice and not Kharadron Overlords?

Totally  this, but also, why is it only possible to buy mystical scenery dice with 6 out of 12 symbo options.

Im not saying that all factions should have access to everything, but the inconsistensies in the way they release stuff or update factions, gives me the vibe that GW has very little clue about what they are actually dooing. 
 

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4 hours ago, Storm said:

Not sure if anyone has already posted about this, but GW no longer sells 25mm round slot bases, which seems a bit strange to me given they still sell things that need them (there's still a few metal models here and there).

That's weird. Hopefully they'll still package them with stuff like Lord of the rings. Even if they don't have an independent pack on sale. At least slotta bases are pretty easy to find from other game companies if not.

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1 hour ago, Greasygeek said:

Totally  this, but also, why is it only possible to buy mystical scenery dice with 6 out of 12 symbo options.

Im not saying that all factions should have access to everything, but the inconsistensies in the way they release stuff or update factions, gives me the vibe that GW has very little clue about what they are actually dooing. 
 

Why does (in)consistency knowing or not knowing what they’re doing?

are to change the angle. How does you not knowing all the variables equal them having ‘very little clue about what they are actually doing’

gw works models first. If there isn’t a model designed in time that is okay-ed. There is no released model. That’s a very sensible reason we just dint know about it. Working model first as they describe it in the podcasts and interviews means that they will build a new game around models, seems logical to me they also will release armies if no cool models are available to prevent waiting endlessly 

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We tend to hear about pricing around the midweek before something goes on pre-order - often its around then that retailers (3rd party) get details on the product price and it slips onto the internet. 

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12 hours ago, robinlvalentine said:

Not a single part of your empire army was in Cities of Sigmar? 

Icegoat is overly negative. He/She cannot see the bright side of Cities.

While I agree about the handling of the culling, I don't agree that Cities is sure to be a dead end. GW will want to keep them on board at least until The Old World hits. After that, we'll see.

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1 hour ago, GeneralZero said:

Any info about the (confirmed) price of the new dual army box?

Somebody asked on their facebook page and they answered "similar to feast of bones probably"

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6 minutes ago, DarrinTheOccult said:

Somebody asked on their facebook page and they answered "similar to feast of bones probably"

WoW, that makes the box on the expensive side, it is the price of 2 SC. The KO side is pretty much similar to the KO SC. And the DoT side is weird with those flying DAEMONS in the middle of mortals. I wanted several boxes, now I'll just try to get 1, 2 top. BTW, I noticed that there are still some feast of bones boxes to sell.  That means that at this price point, the rush is not that big. Maybe GW will try a little lower price this time...

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Well, i did the math, and the content prices (german numbers) equal out quite similar to feast of bones

FoB: 6 Gluttons (32,50€), 2 Leadbealchers 16,25€, Scraplauncher (32,50€) = 81,25€ + hero

Morghast (47€), Stalkers (40€), 10 Morteks (22,50€) = 109,50 + Hero

so FoB value is roughly 190€ + two heroes

 

Aether War:

6 Skyfires (65€), screamers (25€) = 90€ 

6 Riggers (65€), Gunhauler (40€) = 105€

so aether war comes to 195€ plus two heroes.

 

with this calculation i can totally see Aether war at the same price as Feast of Bones, on the other hand...Looncurses Sylvaneth half was also 98€+ hero...

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14 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:

WoW, that makes the box on the expensive side, it is the price of 2 SC. The KO side is pretty much similar to the KO SC. And the DoT side is weird with those flying DAEMONS in the middle of mortals. I wanted several boxes, now I'll just try to get 1, 2 top. BTW, I noticed that there are still some feast of bones boxes to sell.  That means that at this price point, the rush is not that big. Maybe GW will try a little lower price this time...

That's what I feared. The models included are quite overpriced in my opinion, so while there are some savings, they are a percentage of the price I was already not willing to pay.

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The KO side of the box suffers from being pretty much the existing Start Collecting Box (Endrinmaster, Gunhauler, 3 balloon boys, 5 Thunderers) at possibly around the same price which is not a highly regarded package to start with.

I'm planning to get it, but only because I have a friend who plays Tzeentch, and I never bothered building any Skywardens, so it's not too too big a hit for the new hero.

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