The Rumour Thread

[RandyRyan]

If it helps, here in Queensland, Australia all the GWs opened as soon as they were allowed with games initially by appointment and now just a free for all. You can walk in and play a game any time just as before.

[Dreddships]

I took a lore deep dive to find something about what Kragnos could possibly be and found this 

'The Ur-Wyrm War was a conflict that saw Sigmar and Gorkamorka join forces to slay flocks of the mountain-sized, draconic creatures known as the Ur-Wyrms. This war lasted for decades and when it finally came to an end, Gorkamorka turned on his ally and gave him a mighty headbutt. In response Sigmar smashes his hammer, Ghal Maraz, into the greenskin deity's jaw' 

What if Kragnos is the last of the Ur-Wyrms? 

Would give us an excuse for 'Shaggoth' that's more akin to Total War Kholek in the form of Kragnos. 

Gives us a reason behind the whole 'my kind are gone' line too from the trailer? 

Also sets us up to give Destruction a sideplot before invading Azyr as they're attempting to avenge ol' Gorkamorka and possibly another motivation for Gordrak to want to fight Sigmar ala. 'I krumped ya for krumping me da'

Obviously this entire thing is from a random footnote essentially from the Orruk Warclans battletome but hey, it's the closest thing I've found so far.

Would give us a BoC plot as they try and find themselves a 'god' who isn't exactly chaos-aligned too - so would make them a wee bit more interesting.

Would give us an excuse for the Kurnothi turning up - what's a better hunt than a monster it took gods to try and put down

Honestly I'm just trying to buy time to wait for the inevitable Teclis BR book tomorrow with the new battalion boxes

[Neverchosen]

15 minutes ago, Dreddships said:

Honestly I'm just trying to buy time to wait for the inevitable Teclis BR book tomorrow with the new battalion boxes

Your Ur-Wyrm theory is awesome and fits my earlier question of this figure being something akin to a God-Beast.

As for new Battalion Boxes it will be interesting to see what they do with OBR and LRL as they do not have start collecting sets. 🤔

[Wraith]

4 hours ago, Warfiend said:

These are gonna be a conversion project of mine:

Awesome goregruntas

This is unexpected. My 40k army is Space Orks. This looks like a new clan, so not sure if I could fit these minis in. They really look like they should be in AoS.

 

On a different subject, so I guessed correctly that the new zombies would have Cursed City style graves on their backs when most other people were saying that wasn’t so. At least some of them have graves, anyway. Does that mean I get a free zombie from GW?

[Nezzhil]

My theory is the guy is speaking is not the Kurnothi. He is inside the mountain is exploding at the left side of the screen.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Nezzhil

[Barkanaut]

3 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

I think this as well. 

My bets on Silent People. 

I'm shocked to say it but it very well could be. If it's just a race of centaurs that follow gork and ork I'll be completely let down or beastmen. AoS needs a few bizare races to call its own and either bugmen or bug worshipping men would be a cool way to do that. We've got lots of unsolved bug looking rumor engines too and it could only be Nids or silent people. 

[Dreddships]

20 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Your Ur-Wyrm theory is awesome and fits my earlier question of this figure being something akin to a God-Beast.

As for new Battalion Boxes it will be interesting to see what they do with OBR and LRL as they do not have start collecting sets. 🤔

The ballsy move is release the SC boxes and the Battalion Boxes.

Could always just repackage up the LRL launch set and the OBR from Feast of Bones for a SC set

[Harioch]

The blood knights are all I wished for a remade model. They are fantastic.

Speculation mode for warscrolls in the new book:

-new kits :vampire lord, blood knight, fell bats, deathrattle and zombies, the vampire-rat (...and Cursed City models ?)

-old kits: vargheist, coven throne, black knights, vampire on dragon, wolves. Most of them are dual kits with either Nighthaunt or FeC so I don't see them going away.

-maybe something else: a big bad endgame boss (I still hope for Vlad or Abhorash). And the traditional endless spells.

Anyway, I was waiting for them since...well the beginning ? (Was afraid to collect them since we didn't know back then what would be squatted...plus old Blood knight...)

About Kragoth...I genuinly don't know. Could be Kurnothi, could be BoC. Both would be cool to me. Still I don't understand why BoC, with their new AoS lore (thus different from the old children of the Chaos in the Old World), they're not a Destruction army. They could have fit well in this allegiance. And even if there are some beatsmen who follow a chaos god, humans already do. So we can see this race in multiple allegiances. But that's just me.

[Sleboda]

4 hours ago, Dreddships said:

Honestly I feel like this is a bad move for GW.

Alot of us purchase from 3rd party for that juicy 15-25% off.

If they focused the stores on that 'community' aspect, I imagine they'd get a lot more people casually buying up stock whilst they're there.

GW stores are first and foremost recruitment centers. They are machines when it comes to creating new gamers.

This is why smart independent retailers welcome Warhammer stores opening near them. They are not threats. Rather, they grow the local pie.

Bad indies grouse when GW opens a store near them and then - shock! - they go under because they moan, complain, and turn off all those lovely new customers. They create self-fulfilling prophecies of doom.

Anyway, the point is that it's a good move for GW to place the greatest emphasis on processing Timmy into a GW fan. If that new player shops elsewhere, GW still makes the cash. The different purchase options each present different profit models, but they are all profits nonetheless. The key is making new customers every single day.

Edit: Also, point of order -

When you buy from GW instead of a discounter, you are not paying "extra." You are simply paying the retail price. If you buy at a discount, you are paying less. You can't claim one is less and the regular price is extra.

Edited March 21, 2021 by Sleboda

[KingBrodd]

58 minutes ago, Harioch said:

The blood knights are all I wished for a remade model. They are fantastic.

Speculation mode for warscrolls in the new book:

-new kits :vampire lord, blood knight, fell bats, deathrattle and zombies, the vampire-rat (...and Cursed City models ?)

-old kits: vargheist, coven throne, black knights, vampire on dragon, wolves. Most of them are dual kits with either Nighthaunt or FeC so I don't see them going away.

-maybe something else: a big bad endgame boss (I still hope for Vlad or Abhorash). And the traditional endless spells.

Anyway, I was waiting for them since...well the beginning ? (Was afraid to collect them since we didn't know back then what would be squatted...plus old Blood knight...)

About Kragoth...I genuinly don't know. Could be Kurnothi, could be BoC. Both would be cool to me. Still I don't understand why BoC, with their new AoS lore (thus different from the old children of the Chaos in the Old World), they're not a Destruction army. They could have fit well in this allegiance. And even if there are some beatsmen who follow a chaos god, humans already do. So we can see this race in multiple allegiances. But that's just me.

Maybe this is something that may be happening. Imagine if they renamed Beasts of Chaos to Beasts of the Wilds and dropped most things Chaos.

[LuminethMage]

2 hours ago, Dreddships said:

The ballsy move is release the SC boxes and the Battalion Boxes.

Could always just repackage up the LRL launch set and the OBR from Feast of Bones for a SC set

Wouldn’t 100% work with the LRL launch set in the same way, because Eltharion is already a unique hero. The rest would be perfect though, and maybe throw in a named Cathallar or one of the new models. 

[Neverchosen]

20 minutes ago, LuminethMage said:

Wouldn’t 100% work with the LRL launch set in the same way, because Eltharion is already a unique hero. The rest would be perfect though, and maybe throw in a named Cathallar or one of the new models. 

As the resident LRL expert do you have any personal hopes for a potential LRL BR battalion? I feel the new models will be less likely to appear and as such I think it would be fun if it was Alarith focused as the inevitable Start Collecting will likely be Vanari focused like the earlier collector box.

[Gothmaug]

7 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

AND HIS PEOPLE CENTAURS!?

Nah, that centaur is just a spectator, about to see the rise of the massive cyclopean giant rising from the earth!. 

Humor never translates well over text chat. Yeah, its probably going to be some type of centaur-god with a bunch of new followers. Kurnothi perhaps? 

 

[Shearl]

1 hour ago, Sleboda said:

GW stores are first and foremost recruitment centers. They are machines when it comes to creating new gamers.

This is why smart independent retailers welcome Warhammer stores opening near them. They are not threats. Rather, they grow the local pie.

Bad indies grouse when GW opens a store near them and then - shock! - they go under because they moan, complain, and turn off all those lovely new customers. They create self-fulfilling prophecies of doom.

 

My local GW store and local gaming store have a pretty friendly relationship. Often when the independent store doesn't have something in stock they direct customers to GW, and when people ask about playing specialist games at the GW store they direct them to the independent store. 

[Nullius]

6 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

Moving aside for one moment.

When lockdown ends the gw stores will operating on a different model moving forward even after all restrictions and social distancing regulation is lifted.

moving forward the stores will still do intro games and intro painting, but you can forget about using your local store for a game or to sit there doing hobby for an afternoon.

 

the whole move is to maximise the retail rather than community side, which currently they (gw) would prefer you to do at away from stores.

there isn’t a timeframe for this- essentially how long is a piece of string.

 

I was talking to a gw store manager today who is also a good friend and so this was from the horses mouth.

He was keen to emphasise that this strategy is all about ensuring the retail spaces are as profitable as possible in order to recruit new blood into the hobby and increase profile post pandemic.

anyway... back to blood suckers and centauroids looking at a sleeping mountain..

yeah and I heard they are getting rid of slaanesh because it’s not kid-friendly and then after they make female space marines Games Workshop is getting bought by hasbro and then going bankrupt!!! LOL
 

This is not even slightly true. Just more nonsense. The stores will be doing demos only until the restrictions on capacity are lifted nationwide, as is perfectly logical and rational. There is a clear series of steps leading to the end goal of the shops returning to normal. 

 

It is comical is how frothy everyone is getting over this clearly silly idea.

[Siphon]

2 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

Maybe this is something that may be happening. Imagine if they renamed Beasts of Chaos to Beasts of the Wilds and dropped most things Chaos.

As a Beasts player I would actually like this.
 

Beasts have always been looked down on by the rest of the Chaos pantheon even back to the old world.  The new lore for Beasts in AOS to me has always felt more destruction and less Chaos and they just tried to tie it to Chaos itself (not even undivided chaos which still recognizes the chaos gods) since old world Beasts were Chaos aligned.  
 

However, I think with the release of Chaos god aligned Beastman models, it isn’t likely for them to flip grand alliances.  It just wouldn’t really make sense.

Still, might be kind of cool if they do go to Destruction and be (the first?) able to still ally in models from a different grand alliance in the form of Slaves or what not.  

[LuminethMage]

1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:

As the resident LRL expert do you have any personal hopes for a potential LRL BR battalion? I feel the new models will be less likely to appear and as such I think it would be fun if it was Alarith focused as the inevitable Start Collecting will likely be Vanari focused like the earlier collector box.

Personally, I hope for new models. 20 Bladelords and a Loreseeker 🤪

Now, if we go to something less self centered and that actually could happen, I think you are right and the new models won’t appear. I guess Vanari Warden’s are the likeliest choice. If they don’t increase the price level, it’ll be rough though, they couldn’t add much to that besides a hero. Or maximum, a hero and one more unit of Vanari (which would add $20 above of most of the BR Morathi ones).

If it’s Alarith-focused, the only real option would be (current prices) 10 Stoneguard and a Stonemage (ca. $30 above). If they did 5 Stoneguard and a Spirit of the Mountain, that would be neat. Quite higher than what we have seen so far in terms of costs (ca. $40). But I think it would be a really cool box. Of all the current units Stoenguard are the ones who could use a small buff, so if it’s something with them, that’d be good. 

I think a Vanari-one is more likely, but honestly I have no idea, maybe there isn’t even one, because they still don’t want to sell them cheaper. I think if there was a LRL vs OBR box we’d already know. I have a bit of hope that we get one for both OBR and LRL separately because of the Hammerhal Herald joke which had the named OBR hero in it from a few weeks ago. 

I think we should know today/tomorrow, they’ll have to show the new BR Teclis website and info if it’s already on pre-order next week. 

Edited March 21, 2021 by LuminethMage

[Kronos]

I second (or fifth or whatever) for beasts to be removed from Chaos. Keep the Gavespawn and Aligned Units but take the drunken masses and raiders into destruction. To be honest the ground has been paved for it for quite some time.
 

Dragon Ogor’s actually Hate the Dark Gods, and to be fair from what I remember they only formed a pact until the end of the world... seems they met their end of the bargain, soot seems odd that in the realms they would be bound to Chaos.

But even more recently is the creation of Beastmen, zero mention of the Dark Gods, of magic, of Chaos.

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Legend of the Alpha Progenitor

In the tusk-glyphs that dot the Prowling Valleys of Ghur, the origins of the Beastmen are outlined as the distant descendants of one legendary creature: the Gorfather. According to the glyphs, the Gorfather was born the moment the wild heart of Ghur was formed. This monster's offspring formed the very first Greatfray, whose ferocity was so great that they spread across not only Ghur, but the entire Mortal Realms.

Many beastherds, primarily those among the Allherd, worship the Gorfather. During violent revelries held around Herdstones, Great Bray-Shamans tell tales of the Gorfather - how he hacked apart the Realm of Beasts and created the great Ghurish seas from bile and blood; how he tore open the first Realmgates by driving his horns deep into the flesh of the realms. The Beastmen that inhabit the Prowling Valleys erect massive Herdstones of living, braying rock, and to these effigies they offer their mutilated prey. After gorging on offal and warm flesh, the Herdstones begin to bulge, and from them are birthed entire new generations of Beastmen.

The eventual fate of the Gorfather is unknown, though it may have once been recorded in the tusk-glyphs. Vast sections of the glyphs have been completely destroyed over time, shattered and trampled into the mud.

 

[Vasshpit]

Keep yo filthy goats out of destro!!! 👊

 

 

😜

[dirkdragonslayer]

5 hours ago, Wraith said:

This is unexpected. My 40k army is Space Orks. This looks like a new clan, so not sure if I could fit these minis in. They really look like they should be in AoS.

 

On a different subject, so I guessed correctly that the new zombies would have Cursed City style graves on their backs when most other people were saying that wasn’t so. At least some of them have graves, anyway. Does that mean I get a free zombie from GW?

Luckily it doesn't seem like they are a specific Klan, just a new subkultur. Imagine it like Ork Speed Freeks; not all Speed Freeks are Evil Sunz, but most Evil Sunz are Speed Freeks. They certainly seem themed like Snakebites, and I bet the upcoming codex will have the Snakebites specializing in them, but the narrator outright states that they are part of any ork klan.

[The Red King]

So unless I'm just misremembering the preview picture for this event was the skitarri marshal in the middle. Ossiarch bowman on his right and what turned out to be a blood knight on his left yeah? But none of the bloodknights they showed us are the one in that outline since he's very clearly got his weapon pointing up and to the left and has his hand on it.

 

Yeah just double checked and that silhouette is definitely NOT one of the bloodknights we saw today. Speculation as to why they would have built one and used him as the promo teaser when he wasn't shown? Possible mounted character? Possible alternate builds?

[Greasygeek]

Got Zombies?

We sure did😆🎉 

Whooohooo! Im so much looking forward to painting 80 of these guys, this is gonna be the best   colour scheme yet*

I think it’s gonna be really interesting to see what the Gravelords will bring to the table if they are released under the rule of the current meta.

 Vampires have never been known to be super wizards, neither do they look like they have much of firepower. 
So at first glance these guys look like they will be the ultimate horde army, with huge slow meatshields as a source of hero protection. 

 

 

* In reality I will paint 4-5, thinking I could do this all night long,  then burnout and torture myself through a neverending batchpainting apocalypse for the remaining 75 zombies. 
THE only thing that will keep my going is looking forward to be painting whatever great centerpiece model the Gravelords will have. However after painting the first parts of that I will then miss my batchpainting yet again as I remember how extremely difficult it is to hold  a centerpiece model without ruining the areas already done. 
Once done, I will love myself for finishing yet another army increasing my total Death army to well above 10.000pts. At that point I will remember that I only play 10-15 games a year and now have a third army that I really didn’t need in the first place. By the time Im ready to take them to battle they have been OP and nerfed to smitherines.....

The strange thing Im really looking forward to this... should I seek help😉
 

[Still-young]

41 minutes ago, The Red King said:

So unless I'm just misremembering the preview picture for this event was the skitarri marshal in the middle. Ossiarch bowman on his right and what turned out to be a blood knight on his left yeah? But none of the bloodknights they showed us are the one in that outline since he's very clearly got his weapon pointing up and to the left and has his hand on it.

 

Yeah just double checked and that silhouette is definitely NOT one of the bloodknights we saw today. Speculation as to why they would have built one and used him as the promo teaser when he wasn't shown? Possible mounted character? Possible alternate builds?

It is one of the Blood Knights. I think it’s the back left one, the helmet and back matches the silhouette and the crescent shoulder parts are a good match on that one. It’s just from a different angle to where we’ve seen them, pretty much head on or maybe even looking the other way a bit to the revealed pic.

[zilberfrid]

2 hours ago, Still-young said:

It is one of the Blood Knights. I think it’s the back left one, the helmet and back matches the silhouette and the crescent shoulder parts are a good match on that one. It’s just from a different angle to where we’ve seen them, pretty much head on or maybe even looking the other way a bit to the revealed pic.

If you look closely, the horse's neck is angled away, so it wouldn't show up in the picture, I think there's an angle that can be made where the banner is mostly under the lance, so far to the right and a bit up. Basically just up from the direction of the unicorn horn.

[RamsesIII]

I personally disagree with the notion that BoC should be part of Destruction, or that their AOS lore is headed that way. It's true that they've distanced themselves from the chaos gods, but only in favour of true chaos, without the selfish, sometimes orderly whims of the gods. According to their battletome they now claim to be the true children of chaos, in a few ways one could argue that they're the most chaos-aligned of all armies.

Morghur seems to have become a chaos deity of sorts (not like the five), Ghosteater still fights for chaos, and I don't know what other named characters they have in the lore currently, but so far it seems they're doubling down on their allegiance, it's just that they're done being expendable meat for the chaos gods.

It's also worth noting that, at least as far as I'm aware, none of the Destruction armies destroy because destruction is their end goal, it's more of a byproduct of what they find fun, what they need to do to survive, to dominate, etc (though there's exceptions of course, like against bitter enemies). BoC hace a practically religious dedication to destroying all kinds of slightly developed civilization. The philosophy isn't quite the same.

I'd be fine with a portion of BoC being fieldable as a Destruction army though, or a subspecies coming from beastmen. The lore did mention enlightened non-chaotic gors who were unfairly driven away by Sigmar (or someone else, can't remember) and later became tzaangors.