The Rumour Thread

[novakai]

21 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

It does make me nervous about AOS, I've said multiple times it doesn't feel like GW is fully committing to AOS. Main studio getting TOW, with no indication that GW expanded its main studio with new workers, would be an actual confirmation of that fear.

Case in point- something else from AOS that disappeared with zero explanation from GW. 

edit: discontinuing something as small as the Herald isn't the issue, it's removing everything to do with the Herald that is more concerning IMO.

i mean main studio is so broad, it can also mean part of the 40k team as well but then again this is just a rumor that probably taken with salt yet again

[Kaleb Daark]

5 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

Yeah, I am not seeing all the doom and gloom over the new battletomes I loved what we got from Stormcast and Orruk Warclans. I do not imagine Nurgle getting worse and overall I find streamlined rules overall much better. Furthermore, most of the issues stemming from Stormcast seem to come from redundancies within the army and so likely wont be an issue for Nurgle which has a lot more room for each unit to fill an invaluable niche. My only complaint with the upcoming tome is a lack of Pesitgors which I was banking on to an unbelievably high degree. 😢

Never say never on the pestigors, after all you’ve only had one model teased and nothing said about the book.

stinky goats might yet be a thing with a side order of other stuff- who knows maybe what’s coming is that good, which might explain the cracking big box nurgle deal. 

[Lurynsar]

Just want to address something and maybe ease some fears. A few years ago (just before Covid) Games Workshop moved all “game development” to into the main studio. What this meant is that the same groups (groups, not group) make the rules for all of the games. 

At the same time Forgeworld was recategorized internally as the “specialist department”. This is why we haven’t seen new 40K or AoS models out of the studio. They’re responsible for the creation of MODELS for all of the non core games. This includes both Horus Heresy and The Old World. In addition Forgeworld is no longer a “resin studio”. They’re able to work with various mediums as they choose (and as directed from up top I’m sure based on the intent of the product). Many of the specialist games are now part of the main trade line; despite being modelled and created by the FW team. 

Gone are the days of Forgeworld being a boutique of hobbyists creating specific visions in resin at a high cost. While this may remain part of they purview, the team is now all about creating and supporting the various side projects of the Games Workshop as a whole.

What this really means is the Old World rules will be created by the rules team that works for Games Workshop. The models will likely be a mixture of Plastic and Resin; unless that direction changes before Old World fully releases. They aren’t cannibilizing the AoS team, they’re not throwing AoS out the window. AoS will be as much of a focus as it is now. 

On another note, I feel like people are going to be really upset when The Old World launches as something that isn’t WFB. There’s a reason it has a different name. This is not a rebirth of Fantasy. It’s a new game set in the same world with some of the old factions. People expecting to walk into GW on launch (or ever…) and buy Brettonia, Tomb Kings, Cathay, Druchii and whatever else are going to be upset. I expect to see a lot of negativity towards TOW as the previews and game come more into the spot light. If you love the world and lore; it’s going to be awesome. If you are expecting a rebirth of WFB you’ll be sad. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Lurynsar

[Chikout]

It's an interesting rumour especially as changing AoS and 40k to a 4 year cycle would be a good idea. Unfortunately it's probably not true. 

They say that the old world was the idea of the oldest members of the main studio. This isn't true. The old world is the baby of Andy Hoare who heads up the specialist games studio. If you look at the preview videos you only see specialist studio members. There's no sign of the likes of Phil Kelly. 

One thing that is possible is that gw are going to bring forgeworld back under the umbrella of the main studio. 

Either way I don't see any risk of staff being taken away from AoS. 

I really don't think that GW is going light on AoS. Sure there's a bit of a lull right now but that more to do with global shipping problems than GW's internal decisions .

If you look at 2021 as a whole, the casual observer would think that AoS is the premier GW game. 40k had just 3 major range refreshes this year (sisters, orks and Black Templars) compared to 5 for AoS (Slaanesh, Lumineth, Soulblight, Stormcast and Kruleboyz). In terms of  army books 40k edges it 9-7 thanks to the December dual release. 

On the side game front it's even with three Kill team boxes for 40k (they did a marine Necron box in May) and 3 boxes for AoS, but AoS edges this thanks to the numerous Underworlds warbands this year. 

Finally of course we got a new edition this year. 

If there's a worry, it's that AoS might mirror this year's 40k with a lot of Dual boxes with one mini for each faction and a smaller number of major releases. 

 

[novakai]

It also really hard to gauge what old world is even going to look like considering that the specialist team has never made a game that had more then ten models on each side

I have a feeling they duel purpose themselves to add stuff in for CA to use in total war but what they do for the gaming system itself maybe overhyped by the community a bit

[Malakithe]

So I was reading patch notes the other day for a game I play and I was like 'man im glad damn near every gaming company releases patch notes or some kind of road map and tells its players/customer base what its doing and what the plan is...'

But then I remembered the rumor threaded existed...

[Neverchosen]

7 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

Never say never on the pestigors, after all you’ve only had one model teased and nothing said about the book.

stinky goats might yet be a thing with a side order of other stuff- who knows maybe what’s coming is that good, which might explain the cracking big box nurgle deal. 

I had somehow assumed that the revealed new hero model was the sole release for Nurgle, but I guess that I was just going off of rumours and did not hear that officially stated. So fingers crossed we get some new Pestigors! And speaking of Stinky-Goats I painted a Beast Sorcerer as a Skunk in my younger days to designate it as Nurgle. 😄

Slight aside, I posted some more of my silly invented Chaos Theology in the Chaos Thread, and I am always looking for some of other folks own takes on the chaos pantheon(s) and their own lore ideas. Furthermore, I am trying to develop a parallel history for my Stormcast tying the heroes to a noble house that fell to Chaos and Nagash over time. 

 

[Maogrim]

28 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I had somehow assumed that the revealed new hero model was the sole release for Nurgle, but I guess that I was just going off of rumours and did not hear that officially stated. So fingers crossed we get some new Pestigors! And speaking of Stinky-Goats I painted a Beast Sorcerer as a Skunk in my younger days to designate it as Nurgle. 😄

Slight aside, I posted some more of my silly invented Chaos Theology in the Chaos Thread, and I am always looking for some of other folks own takes on the chaos pantheon(s) and their own lore ideas. Furthermore, I am trying to develop a parallel history for my Stormcast tying the heroes to a noble house that fell to Chaos and Nagash over time. 

 

Surely we'll be whipped back in line by the mods in a matter of seconds ('Back to rumours you disgusting, filthy vermin!!!') but how do you fall to Chaos and Nagash?! At least if my intuitive assumption of reading 'fell to' as 'being corrupted by' is correct..

[KingBrodd]

58 minutes ago, Maogrim said:

Surely we'll be whipped back in line by the mods in a matter of seconds ('Back to rumours you disgusting, filthy vermin!!!') but how do you fall to Chaos and Nagash?! At least if my intuitive assumption of reading 'fell to' as 'being corrupted by' is correct..

 

[Neverchosen]

1 hour ago, Maogrim said:

Surely we'll be whipped back in line by the mods in a matter of seconds ('Back to rumours you disgusting, filthy vermin!!!') but how do you fall to Chaos and Nagash?! At least if my intuitive assumption of reading 'fell to' as 'being corrupted by' is correct..

After generations of worshipping Sigmar one member of this house betrays his beliefs and joins the forces of Chaos. This brings him in direct conflict with his angelic ancestors. As angelic paladins and demonic knights fight across the realms, the remaining members of the House choose to follow a new God... making a pact with the Lord of Death. Meanwhile a tribe of nomadic Ogors resists this conflict by defending their ancestral lands against Heaven, Hell and the Vengeful Spirits caught in between. Essentially I wanted to develop a narrative incorporating all four Grand Alliances, but have not solidified Nagash's involvement, beyond the idea that it would be tragic if the conflict resulted in the original civilization being lost in the conflict and returning as angry spirits of vengeance. I wanted to emphasize that even a fight between 'heaven and hell' will still hurt those caught in the middle. So, in summation 'the Noble house' fell to Chaos and Nagash... but the individual members fall to either Chaos or Nagash. I will eventually post a more fully realized version of my narrative into the Narrative and Open Play section.

Now back to rumours.

@JackStreicher this rule that you saw rumoured is it specific to a faction? It sounds like it could be an addition to the Nighthaunt as a form of ethereal attack... 👻

Edited November 13, 2021 by Neverchosen

[Sigmarusvult]

Rumours for the rumours god ! ... please ? 😅 

[Praecautus]

13 minutes ago, Sigmarusvult said:

Rumours for the rumours god ! ... please ? 😅 

Hearsay for the hearsay throne?

[Bosskelot]

On 11/10/2021 at 8:57 PM, Enoby said:

Unfortunately I think it's just the case that Xenos hardly sell as well as Space Marines. While it was ridiculously priced, Blood of the Phoenix stuck around for ages. In addition, the Ork box didn't sell out too quickly (nor did the limited edition book). It's a vicious cycle - not just about a lack of model support, but having the fanbase behind it not being as large or invested. 

 

The Beast Snagga box sold out immediately pretty much everywhere online, however many local brick & mortar stores had stock of it for a while because people just assumed they wouldn't be able to get their hands on it. Once word of that got out then it went pretty quick. Many LGS's were also only allocated like a handful of boxes too so that added to the perceived scarcity and people not bothering. The LE book not selling out quick is also pretty obvious: the kind of people looking to buy the LE book would have already gotten the Beast Snagga box and I personally know plenty of Ork players who haven't even bothered buying the Codex because of how the limited special edition box came out months previously and it forced them into using a certain Russian website to use their new rules.

For comparison, the BT box is STILL being sold in certain places. The biggest LGS around here was allocated less boxes of that than the Beast Snaggas and he still has 3 of them which he can't move. The Marine battleforce last year struggled to move off of shelves and was completely outclassed by the Necron one which sold out everywhere immediately. I know a few LGS owners who have said that outside of the Codexes, the Necrons massively outsold the Marine releases in 2020/21 too.

GW's sales decisions have as much to do with internal studio enthusiasm as they do actual financial sense. The Drukhari and Necron reboots in 5th were HUGE sellers at the time, but because there was little internal enthusiasm to continue they languished for years without further support. Orks, Tyranids and Tau have historically been strong sellers too and so have Craftworlds. Marines have always been bigger sellers, but a lot of the time it was just that the design studio was honestly full of Marine fanboys who only wanted to make Marine stuff so it became a vicious cycle.

I think now however we might have just reached peak Marine saturation. There are plenty of Marine players around here who haven't really bought any of the new releases outside of Indomitus.... because the 2nd Primaris wave was only like 9 months previously from that. And why do they need to buy multi-part kits of stuff they got in Indomitus when they can get the Indom versions for 2nd hand off of Ebay for a fraction of the price? Not only that there has definitely been a shift in the GW design studio culture; there's been a real focus in 9th of updating stuff and bringing more factions up to parity, especially with all the rumours and confirmed leaks we've had recently.

[Howdyhedberg]

I'm not worried about AoS. On most previews since a year ago, it have felt like AoS got most of the stuff. 

Sorry for those that wait for updates, but then chilling a little bit with releases is alright for me.

 

A roadmap wouldn't hurt though!

[EccentricCircle]

Yeah, I feel as though over all we really don't have anything to complain about. The gaps between releases are always going to feel tortuous to those who are waiting for the next big thing, but they aren't disproportionate.

In fact GW is very even handed with releases for the two systems, while AoS still does lag behind in popularity, they market it and release stuff as though it is just as big a deal as 40K. Its only when you move away from the gaming products themselves and into the tie ins, novels, cartoons and memorabilia that there is a clear disparity in what gets released. But I think that gives us the feeling of being un-favoured somehow, when as far as actual rules and minis go we really aren't.

[MitGas]

11 hours ago, Maogrim said:

Surely we'll be whipped back in line by the mods in a matter of seconds ('Back to rumours you disgusting, filthy vermin!!!') but how do you fall to Chaos and Nagash?! At least if my intuitive assumption of reading 'fell to' as 'being corrupted by' is correct..

It's good that you realize what you are, you arrogant elf! 😏  As for us, we're of course totally noble and inherently good creatures!*

* Except the Nurglites. And a smattering of others.

[Maogrim]

2 hours ago, MitGas said:

It's good that you realize what you are, you arrogant elf! 😏  As for us, we're of course totally noble and inherently good creatures!*

* Except the Nurglites. And a smattering of others.

Your provocation is nothing but thinly veiled jealousy. And it's arrogant Aelf if you please.

[Twisted Firaun]

1 hour ago, Maogrim said:

Your provocation is nothing but thinly veiled jealousy. And it's arrogant Aelf if you please.

Be gone Elf, or else the Legions of LONG LOST NEHEKHARA AND THE DARK GODS WILL TRAMPLE YOU!!!

[Maogrim]

1 hour ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

Be gone Elf, or else the Legions of LONG LOST NEHEKHARA AND THE DARK GODS WILL TRAMPLE YOU!!!

What exactly are those legions of Nehekhara you are talking about? Because I don' t see those anywhere around in the mortal realms... And I guess if I did, the honorable and radiant armies of Hysh would kick their bony behinds, just like they did with the Bonereapers. 🌞

And how the hell did this turn into Aelf bashing once again?! 😅

[Ratboy genius]

56 minutes ago, Maogrim said:

What exactly are those legions of Nehekhara you are talking about? Because I don' t see those anywhere around in the mortal realms... And I guess if I did, the honorable and radiant armies of Hysh would kick their bony behinds, just like they did with the Bonereapers. 🌞

And how the hell did this turn into Aelf bashing once again?! 😅

all roads lead to rome - all warhammer conversations turn to bashing elves, as god intended

[Twisted Firaun]

1 hour ago, Maogrim said:

What exactly are those legions of Nehekhara you are talking about? Because I don' t see those anywhere around in the mortal realms... And I guess if I did, the honorable and radiant armies of Hysh would kick their bony behinds, just like they did with the Bonereapers. 🌞

And how the hell did this turn into Aelf bashing once again?! 😅

THAT'S IT!!! *Waives khopesh in the air* UNLEASH THE NECROSPHINX!!!!!

To answer your question: First you asked @Neverchosen how one could worship Chaos and Nagash, then @MitGas quoted you and called you an "arrogant elf," which you corrected to the AOS version: Aelf. Plus, we're all still upset that there hasn't been a teaser for either a new faction, chaos dwarfs, Tomb Kings, or updated Seraphon/Skaven while CSM is about to get a massive update/expansion.

[Maogrim]

4 minutes ago, Loyal Son of Khemri said:

THAT'S IT!!! *Waives khopesh in the air* UNLEASH THE NECROSPHINX!!!!!

To answer your question: First you asked @Neverchosen how one could worship Chaos and Nagash, then @MitGas quoted you and called you an "arrogant elf," which you corrected to the AOS version: Aelf. Plus, we're all still upset that there hasn't been a teaser for either a new faction, chaos dwarfs, Tomb Kings, or updated Seraphon/Skaven while CSM is about to get a massive update/expansion.

Oh, I certainly feel that last part. When I noticed that there were still Lizardmen in AOS I was initially interested.. than quickly realized they were still basically the same models that were already starting to show their age before the Old World ended... I really wish they would give the whole community something exciting, half a year after the first glimpses at Kruleboyz. Alas, let's try not to lose faith.

And I also miss Tomb Kings, even though I never played them...

[Public Universal Duardin]

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/11/rumors-old-world-announcements-coming.html?m=1

I feel like I am taking crazy pills as the rumour shared a couple pages ago said 'mid 2022' and it's now '1st of 2022' and 'beginning of next year'. But it isn't like we have any other rumours going on, so I can as well share.

[Gitzdee]

6 hours ago, Public Universal Duardin said:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2021/11/rumors-old-world-announcements-coming.html?m=1

I feel like I am taking crazy pills as the rumour shared a couple pages ago said 'mid 2022' and it's now '1st of 2022' and 'beginning of next year'. But it isn't like we have any other rumours going on, so I can as well share.

My wallet is not ready for a kislev army yet XD.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Iksdee

[The Red King]

On 11/11/2021 at 9:55 AM, Noserenda said:

Regards 40k xenos releases, i am constantly amazed at how neglected they are every time GW does a huge revamp for one of them  Something they have been doing annually the last couple of years  and Rumours say huge Eldar waves next year too.

Setting aside the fact that "Xenos" is not a faction but literally the lump category for "not power armor" there have been 142 space marine kits released since the last time Tyranid got a new model.

 

 

So a revamp of the necron line doesn't really impress me as an eldar player and a revamp of the eldar line isn't gonna make tyranid feel any better, and in between each "huge revamp" of any one faction space marines will get at least the same number of kits if not more.

 

That's a disparity that doesn't sit well with me.