The Rumour Thread

[Saturmorn Carvilli]

A quick guide to things one has to come to peace with Games Workshop.

• Prices are always going to go up
• The games are never going to that balanced based simply on points
• Some factions are going to be crazy powerful some factions are going to be crazy weak
• New editions are going to happen about every 3 years
• Stormcast and Space Marines are the introductory factions and GW is very interested in always getting new players.  So they are always going to have a place in starters and likely will always consistently get new stuff over everyone else.

These might as well be facts of life.  To get annoyed at them is as about useful as getting annoyed it gets dark and night or teenagers are doing something stupid.  They are basically immutable at this point. 

In particular about the Stormcast/Space Marine thing.  I suspect now that each range is pretty well fleshed out, neither are going to see huge expansion beyond new editions in which the will likely always be included again to get new players which I am sure GW believe are the lifeblood of their industry.  To sure, there will always be factions that won't really see new models for decades.  I look at this way, if you always want new stuff for your army, you know which factions always get new models.

[Indecisive]

I'm not so fond of how they are kinda redoing Warrior Chamber rather than something new. Liberators and Paladins are getting replaced it feels, niche-wise. There is also a rumour engine that could be a Judicator replacement.
Really would've preferred Seraphon or Skaven getting an overhaul rather than Stormcast models from 6 years. Well, effectively an overhaul.

[baiardo]

8 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

I'm not so fond of how they are kinda redoing Warrior Chamber rather than something new. Liberators and Paladins are getting replaced it feels, niche-wise. There is also a rumour engine that could be a Judicator replacement.
Really would've preferred Seraphon or Skaven getting an overhaul rather than Stormcast models from 6 years. Well, effectively an overhaul.

Some players bought enough liberators to play the newest battalion with 60 of them, they released a few months ago the ven brecht box with 10judicators...if GW are gonna replace them I feel scammed, seriously.

[xking]

15 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

I'm not so fond of how they are kinda redoing Warrior Chamber rather than something new. Liberators and Paladins are getting replaced it feels, niche-wise. There is also a rumour engine that could be a Judicator replacement.
Really would've preferred Seraphon or Skaven getting an overhaul rather than Stormcast models from 6 years. Well, effectively an overhaul.

Same thing happened with the Sacrosanct Chamber. Will have to wait and see.

[MarkK]

14 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

I'm not so fond of how they are kinda redoing Warrior Chamber rather than something new. Liberators and Paladins are getting replaced it feels, niche-wise. There is also a rumour engine that could be a Judicator replacement.
Really would've preferred Seraphon or Skaven getting an overhaul rather than Stormcast models from 6 years. Well, effectively an overhaul.

I reckon the liberators and paladins boxes will be discontinued when AoS 3 drops, probably the judicators too, if that image is of new bow armed stormcast.

[Indecisive]

1 minute ago, xking said:

Same thing happened with the Sacrosanct Chamber. Will have to wait and see.

Sacrosanct was completely different. They lead in with new stuff immediately, wizards and artillery was fresh design space. Even though Sequitors eclipsed Liberators, well debatable now, as a whole the chamber has a very distinct feel.

[xking]

7 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

Sacrosanct was completely different. They lead in with new stuff immediately, wizards and artillery was fresh design space. Even though Sequitors eclipsed Liberators, well debatable now, as a whole the chamber has a very distinct feel.

It's all about rules. 

[Verminlord]

I love the new ScE design direction. The original style was a bit too bulky for my taste. I don't play ScE but the new design direction has me tempted. I get a MtG angel vibe from the new hero.

 

I much prefer ScE getting a design refresh to just more units/chambers that are slightly better than the last. That's how you end up with a space marine size faction where only a handful of units are viable. This will end up attracting more new players to the game/faction which is exactly what they intend.

[Vaporlocke]

36 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I feel like the introduction of Slaangors, a preview for Thousand sons featuring a Tzaangor, and the likely-hood of Khornegors and Pestigors prove that GW is still fully committed to BoC. 

 

If they had given the Kinkygoats the Breyherd keyword you would have been right, as it stands BoC is still the forgotten stepchild. 

 

If battalions are really going away then we'll probably get the 4 gods as subfactions, which is pretty lame considering that by the lore beastmen that worship one of the gods are both rare and looked down on, so instead of getting new and interesting subfactions they'll waste the slots to allow them. 

[novakai]

Sacrosanct at least bring wizard and artillery so they at least have some use unless their thunderstrike version of the knight incantor in this wave

[xking]

22 minutes ago, MarkK said:

I reckon the liberators and paladins boxes will be discontinued when AoS 3 drops, probably the judicators too, if that image is of new bow armed stormcast.

I don't think so. I believe GW is not going to put new  statue in front of their building.  And we just had gardus/new Lord-Celestant model come out. 

Think of like this, The new units have new/different names and look unique and distinct. Also old stormcast models still sell a lot, looking at stormcast socal media groups.   And when GW made new  space marines, they did not remove the old space marines. 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by xking

[xking]

I prefer the buff stormcast look, rather then skinny look.

[123lac]

43 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

I'm not so fond of how they are kinda redoing Warrior Chamber rather than something new. Liberators and Paladins are getting replaced it feels, niche-wise. There is also a rumour engine that could be a Judicator replacement.
Really would've preferred Seraphon or Skaven getting an overhaul rather than Stormcast models from 6 years. Well, effectively an overhaul.

 

A big refresh for Seraphon would have been ideal to tie in with the Kragnos book.

The new Kroak model looks amazing, but the saurus warriors and knights look like something from the flinstones.

[Shearl]

5 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

On topic of the red eyes in the mists, @Whitefang has dispelled the possibility of Fimir and I for one am kind of glad it wont be them, I was never really a fan of them or their aesthetics.

You best be staying outta my marsh then long legs... 

 

But as much as my army of Forgeworld Fimir and monsters could use reinforcements, I'm believing it will be greenskins like our prophet  @Whitefang has foretold. 

I'm guessing a new "breed" of evil means a new variety of orc, rather than a new species.

[Rachmani]

1 hour ago, Vaporlocke said:

There are a lot of factions that need updating more than SCE, but I guess the real lesson is always play the posterboys if you want nice things from GW. 

I don't even dispute that but rather say, that for poster boys they were critically underserved for the last couple of years. They got a lot upfront, but with the beginning for AoS 2 that stopped.

And the models didn't age well tbh.

[Verminlord]

10 minutes ago, Vaporlocke said:

If they had given the Kinkygoats the Breyherd keyword you would have been right, as it stands BoC is still the forgotten stepchild. 

 

If battalions are really going away then we'll probably get the 4 gods as subfactions, which is pretty lame considering that by the lore beastmen that worship one of the gods are both rare and looked down on, so instead of getting new and interesting subfactions they'll waste the slots to allow them. 

I don't think so, I think we will get more subfactions in general to make up for the loss of battalions. They could also just expand allegiance abilities to include marked rules and bonuses. Core battalions and how they might interact with army rules are also still a mystery. It's too soon to start complaining about the new edition.

[xking]

13 minutes ago, 123lac said:

A big refresh for Seraphon would have been ideal to tie in with the Kragnos book.

The new Kroak model looks amazing, but the saurus warriors and knights look like something from the flinstones.

Seraphon do need new stuff.

[CommissarRotke]

trying to pick out details in the art, we got:
-some dude with a totem on the head or back, squatting on a totem or tower
-a bell, with two attendants/operators and what looks like a parade of others behind them
-and whatever that Azyrite thing is, the bottom looks like a drill??

[Doko]

A shame as dwarf player see again as the hints of new dwarf releases are gone.

So we had every elf god with 1 army or 2 in teclis case,but when come back the dwarf god grugnir......he come with stormcast......

 

This is a joke,im pretty sure that malerion wont come with stormcast or tyrion,but dwarf god with new dwarfs? Not a chance

[Lengthster]

I like Yndrasta and the Vindictors, although I'm not too sure on the Annihilator. I really like the Sacrosanct stuff, I don't really have much of the first wave but I hope for people who do, that these aren't just better liberators and paladins. The new armour style is a really big departure from what we've gotten previously and I hope the new design space allows for some really awesome stuff.

[Rhetoric]

The new models get an A+ in my book. Very exciting where the narrative is being portrayed as Order pushes into the realms to raise up civilization.  I can’t wait to get the full breadth of the rules as well.  I’m stoked for what’s next.  

[The Red King]

4 hours ago, Rachmani said:

The whole range - while it had its highlights - looks terribly dated.

Dated?

Edited May 9, 2021 by The Red King

[Fairbanks]

2 hours ago, Saturmorn Carvilli said:

A quick guide to things one has to come to peace with Games Workshop.

• Prices are always going to go up
• The games are never going to that balanced based simply on points
• Some factions are going to be crazy powerful some factions are going to be crazy weak
• New editions are going to happen about every 3 years
• Stormcast and Space Marines are the introductory factions and GW is very interested in always getting new players.  So they are always going to have a place in starters and likely will always consistently get new stuff over everyone else.

These might as well be facts of life.  To get annoyed at them is as about useful as getting annoyed it gets dark and night or teenagers are doing something stupid.  They are basically immutable at this point. 

In particular about the Stormcast/Space Marine thing.  I suspect now that each range is pretty well fleshed out, neither are going to see huge expansion beyond new editions in which the will likely always be included again to get new players which I am sure GW believe are the lifeblood of their industry.  To sure, there will always be factions that won't really see new models for decades.  I look at this way, if you always want new stuff for your army, you know which factions always get new models.

A few other rules/changes I live by:

• The only place to get 'deals' from GW directly is buying the larger boxes; Starter, Start Collecting, 1v1 Faction Boxes, Specialist Games, Christmas, and the occasional event releases. Typically 30% off the separate model prices (in case you can't afford it at the time). Great for starting an army, but YMMV if you own a sizable force already.
• Things now sell out immediately. Either be best friends with your FLGS (Being the lone person who buys it helps, buying repetitively also does but both get expensive), or be online at the moment of Pre-Order Day (Saturday, Noon God's Time)
• If the faction isn't in the top tier on codex drop, it won't be until the next codex update.
• Everyone gets a codex update for the new edition. You may wait two years, you may wait only one month. Wait your turn.
• *Latest* Your army may get new models within six months to one year of the initial release.

[Fairbanks]

2 hours ago, Shearl said:

I'm guessing a new "breed" of evil means a new variety of orc, rather than a new species.

Yeah, that was a weird moment. The AoS 3.0 studio vid seemed to frame Order = Good, Chaos, Death, Destruction = Bad.

Don't think I've ever considered Orruks bad. Hell, the current framing has been that only Chaos = Bad.

[Neverchosen]

2 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Dated?

Don't worry they just need an upgrade sprue with some bolter rifles and new heads they will be fine!