The Rumour Thread

[Ganigumo]

1 minute ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I think them being used in Fantasy is more likely to expand the life of them if anything. Less reason to reduce the sales by removing it from AoS if you're still going to have to use the mould for Fantasy anyway,

Be interesting to see what happens to kits which were squatted but may return and not prove out of place in AoS, EG the Dwarf Organ Gun/Cannon, etc. 

There's also going to be the weird case of things like the Mangler Squig which had a WHFB sculpt, but since received a new one for Gloomspite - wonder what'll happen there. 

I imagine they'll just use the AoS ones when possible, but some of them had bigger glowups.

I'm hoping azhag comes back, I missed my chance to get him and that sculpt is really nice. It'd be great if some of the returned kits found their way back into aos too, greenskinz would be nice, but even just the boar boyz would be a cool addition to ironjawz. I'm a little worried about gitmob getting an aos release now though.

[Neverchosen]

47 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

Some of the fantasy kits that are still around will probably get re-used, hopefully they can do double duty and don't get squatted from AoS.

TFW: You can be used in Old World, 40K, AOS, Kill Team, Warcry and can even sub in as a Great Unclean one in Warmaster!

[zilberfrid]

8 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

I hope you're right and it ends up happening like that. Also if TOW will end up like HH, it will have a lot of Forge World resin kits, which I think will deter some people (including me... there's a (among others) reason why HH does not interest me, I am not touching that overpriced resin that's difficult to work with. Full plastic of go home). Only those who truly want it will play it, which means the game will essentially gatekeep itself with just cost and modelling options. 

Resin is fine, it's Forge World's (and GW in general) quality control that's the issue. My Atlantis resin minis work perfectly, my GW resin minis needed hole filler and are bent. Workability is also less of an issue with GW making all heroes monopose and single loadout. If there is no customizability either way, you're not losing it.

Forgeworld is getting cheaper than mainline GW in its characters though. Or rather, infantry heroes have balloned in price past FW prices.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NL/Lady-Annika-The-Thirsting-Blade-2021 is less complex than https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/lady-haera-13th-daughter-of-lord-helmawr-2023 which is a bit cheaper 

Edited April 14, 2023 by zilberfrid

[JackStreicher]

5 hours ago, Kitsumy said:

this is a joke i guess?? noone can think gw will do 7-10 kits for every faction in a totally secondary game..... heck even most of aos factions havent that.

if every faction get 1-2 oldest/finecast or metal units redone in first 3 years, would be better than i thought

It‘s not. GW is a 2 Billion GBP Company.

People waited ages for new Bretonnians, then they were removed as a faction and now they want us to spend money on utter dated minis that were ancient even while Warhammer Fantasy was still around. THAT‘S the actual joke.

 

Khemri is mostly fine as are some other Factions like Drukhari. Bretonnia however, boy, it’s a disgrace.

Edited April 14, 2023 by JackStreicher

[Snarff]

1 hour ago, Ganigumo said:

I imagine they'll just use the AoS ones when possible, but some of them had bigger glowups.

I'm hoping azhag comes back, I missed my chance to get him and that sculpt is really nice. It'd be great if some of the returned kits found their way back into aos too, greenskinz would be nice, but even just the boar boyz would be a cool addition to ironjawz. I'm a little worried about gitmob getting an aos release now though.

Returned kits working their way into AoS would be a worst-case scenario, would put the factions much lower on the list for new and actually good quality sculpts.

[JackStreicher]

4 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I am conflicted with this news, without refreshes for certain armies I might just opt out of the starter set and go all in on nostalgia using current AOS models.

But do I want to fulfill my love of Dark Elves and Pirates and go with some Anvilgard boxes, or instead continue my love of all things Chaos and embrace the Beasts?

I hope we get an announcment of the Starter armies at Warhammer fest before I make another poor financial decision lol

Let‘s hope the new squares are big enough so we can simply put our rounds on top of them.

[RileyArlic]

I just find it really hard to care about The Old World. 

Larger bases, nice. So people that want to make conversion kits for their AoS stuff will likely have the opportunity to, and we'll see some more dynamic models coming as a result, great.

But like others have said, 30k took a long time to wind up, and even with 30k 2.0, we're still waiting on KEY things in order to play the full breadth of the game in plastic, or at least with rules for minis that we already have but don't have rules yet. 

It's going to be a slow slog of a mix of plastic and resin. Some things will be resin that will infuriate people, and some things will wait for years before finally getting any sort of plastic release. Some things will simply be reprinted plastic, which will also infuriate people. 

All of this to appeal to what crowd?

[Neverchosen]

37 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Let‘s hope the new squares are big enough so we can simply put our rounds on top of them.

If so I might actually be able to Afford this game and stick with my Ogors and S2D! That would make my day!

[Public Universal Duardin]

Apparently controversial opinion: I'm fine with the old models. I find them comforting and nostalgic in my geriatric old age of 28. Absolutely ancient.

I never collected enough Bretonnians to even reach 1000p, so I'm just happy to be able to slot new old models next to my OG ones.

[The Brotherhood of Necros]

I don’t know that I’m part of any crowd and I couldn’t speak for anyone else but I love the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I grew up on it. I still rewatch videos on YouTube explaining lore I already know. I reread army books I’ve read a hundred times. I was asking myself a similar question the other day because I realised just how much of an impact this fictional setting has had on me — my interests, my imagination, my career, my whole life, really — and I don’t think I can explain it except to say that it’s in my head and my heart. I’d be a very different person today if I hadn’t discovered these stories as a kid. (Thanks, Dad!)

The Defence of Itza. Aenarion and Indraugnir battling the Greater Daemons. Orion and Ariel, yet elven, wandering off into the forest together in answer to summons they can’t explain. The Rise of Nagash. Vlad, arriving out of the storm and meeting Isabella. Skarsnik and Gobbla! The death of Ariel. Lord Mazdamundi, eyes bulging as he finally glimpses the fate of the world and how little time he has left, after millennia of contemplation, to try and avert it. 

The opportunity to officially revisit this world on the tabletop, in whatever form The Old World takes, at whatever pace it comes, is really exciting for me. 

Edited April 15, 2023 by The Brotherhood of Necros

[KriticalKhan]

I don't want to sound presumptive, but from what I can tell a lot of people against The Old World are speaking as if its existence is an existential threat to AoS or that GW going back to Fantasy is admitting AoS was a failure. People get really invested in hobbies like this, they tie their identity to it, and then all this starts seeming far too personal for what it really is.

AoS exists because GW decided Fantasy wasn't worthwhile to keep around. They didn't care about the IP as much, so they let some video game developers make some games that ended up being really popular. That drove interest back toward the IP, but the game was dead and buried. AoS doesn't scratch the same itch, GW saw that interest was sticking around, so they've decided to revive Fantasy as a side game for the people who are interested in it. That's all that's happening.

Every time someone here asks, "Who wants this?" The answer is, "The people who asked for it for the last seven years."

You don't like that they're bringing back old models? That's fine. It's not for you. You don't like the square bases? You don't have to pretend like they're "aesthetically inferior" or whatever---it's fine. It's not for you. You don't like anything about Fantasy at all? AoS is still here.

The Old World has its own team. It is a separate project. It's not going to hurt you.

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, JackStreicher said:

It‘s not. GW is a 2 Billion GBP Company.

People waited ages for new Bretonnians, then they were removed as a faction and now they want us to spend money on utter dated minis that were ancient even while Warhammer Fantasy was still around. THAT‘S the actual joke.

 

Khemri is mostly fine as are some other Factions like Drukhari. Bretonnia however, boy, it’s a disgrace.

I agree. And its not like GW are going to charge early 2000s prices, theyll cost the same as modern sculpts. Sure if you want the minis theyll be far cheaper than Ebay but to me unless they are greatly reduced it doesnt seem worth it.

[KingBrodd]

1 hour ago, Snarff said:

Returned kits working their way into AoS would be a worst-case scenario, would put the factions much lower on the list for new and actually good quality sculpts.

This. I dont want Warclans to suffer for example because 'Hey those Boar Boyz from TOW count so Warclans players cant complain'. 

Its the same reason COS to me, at least, was the most aesthetically challenged army. Visually it looks so random and out of place in AOS. 

Bring on the Dawnbringers!!

[EonChao]

1 hour ago, KingBrodd said:

This. I dont want Warclans to suffer for example because 'Hey those Boar Boyz from TOW count so Warclans players cant complain'. 

Its the same reason COS to me, at least, was the most aesthetically challenged army. Visually it looks so random and out of place in AOS. 

Bring on the Dawnbringers!!

That said if GW want to bring back those old kits and stick them in Warclans and Gloomspite I'd be up for adding a little more variety to my armies.

[RileyArlic]

1 hour ago, KriticalKhan said:

I don't want to sound presumptive, but from what I can tell a lot of people against The Old World are speaking as if its existence is an existential threat to AoS or that GW going back to Fantasy is admitting AoS was a failure. People get really invested in hobbies like this, they tie their identity to it, and then all this starts seeming far too personal for what it really is.

AoS exists because GW decided Fantasy wasn't worthwhile to keep around. They didn't care about the IP as much, so they let some video game developers make some games that ended up being really popular. That drove interest back toward the IP, but the game was dead and buried. AoS doesn't scratch the same itch, GW saw that interest was sticking around, so they've decided to revive Fantasy as a side game for the people who are interested in it. That's all that's happening.

Every time someone here asks, "Who wants this?" The answer is, "The people who asked for it for the last seven years."

You don't like that they're bringing back old models? That's fine. It's not for you. You don't like the square bases? You don't have to pretend like they're "aesthetically inferior" or whatever---it's fine. It's not for you. You don't like anything about Fantasy at all? AoS is still here.

The Old World has its own team. It is a separate project. It's not going to hurt you.

That's fair. 

I don't have good memories personally of WFB. I remember trying to get into it 15 years ago with Lizardmen and it was a slog. It was a slog to buy multiple boxes to fill out a single unit on a movement tray, it was a slog to learn the rules, a slog to get games (I got gatekept because a lot of my stuff wasn't painted, and also because apparently some factions never fight lizardmen for lore reasons or some ******). So when the fallout happened with it being replaced with AoS, I found myself the only person in the room saying "Good riddance to that miserable experience". But, I get that wasn't everyone's experience and a lot of people have a lot of fond memories. Would have been nice to make some of those fond memories myself, but that just didn't happen.

From my perspective, as time has gone on, the number of voices complaining about WHFB being gone shrank - they moved on to other things or simply made the jump to AoS. 

Then 30k 2.0 hits and it feels like I'm just seeing a foreshadowing of what's going to happen with TOW. Gatekeeping for not having the right colors on your minis or not having played back in the day or trying to use AoS models on square bases, etc etc etc. It's hard for me to look forward to something that is likely going to consume a lot of talking space with bad feelings and controversy over plastic toy soldiers, and I'm not looking forward to the same guys that gatekept me out of WHFB back in the day coming back and pretending like they're somehow the 'best' hobbyists and that TOW is the end-all be-all of hobbying like they pretended WHFB was. 

Again, that's just my experience. I have therefore developed the controversial opinion that I hope TOW is a failure of a product due to the jerks that will try to come in and gatekeep it again and GW instead double-down on supporting AoS

[Baron Klatz]

2 hours ago, KriticalKhan said:

The Old World has its own team. It is a separate project. It's not going to hurt you.

There’s a looooooot of similarities between Wfb vs AoS and Total War:Historicals vs Total War:Warhammer fandoms.

From one group hating the other for being more fantastical, the other group shoving it in the others face they sell better so shut up and worries from both sides that one game will affect the others aesthetics too much or they rob resources from eachother.

Not all unwarranted but a little too much salt regardless.

3 hours ago, Snarff said:

Returned kits working their way into AoS would be a worst-case scenario, would put the factions much lower on the list for new and actually good quality sculpts.

I don’t think we have to worry about that, on Twitter when someone asked if TK models could be used in AoS the GW mods just said they can just proxy them as Deathrattle for Soulblights.

So while TOW may gets some table scraps from AoS’ banquet I think we’re more than safe that the big main game will continue pushing forward to new ideas, models and factions instead of using outdated stuff.

New Dawner Freeguild, Flesh-Eaters, Kurnothi beast-aelves, Gholemkin, Orruk species and numerous other faction expansions full endrins ahead! 🛳 

[Greyshadow]

Good, well made points. I can’t see myself wanting to go back to the Old World again but I hope all who do have a wonderful time there. I am just loving the Mortal Realms too much to leave.

[Lord Veshnakar]

Hate to resurrect an old question but what happened to the Chaos Duardin rumors? For a while their launch seemed imminent based on a lot of rumors of them being on the horizon from a lot of reputable sources. Did they mistake the Horns of Hashut warband perhaps or was it all just Ash and Mirrors? 

[Malakithe]

1 hour ago, Baron Klatz said:

There’s a looooooot of similarities between Wfb vs AoS and Total War:Historicals vs Total War:Warhammer fandoms.

Similarities yes but one will objectively be better then the other...like how TW:W is the best thing ever period

[Nezermoar]

4 hours ago, KriticalKhan said:

 

The Old World has its own team. It is a separate project. It's not going to hurt you.

I kinda cant agree with you here.Yes, gw is a big boy corporative company nowadays , with resources etc but  if it spreads some of its power into the side gamble project  I suppose that it also will drag these resources from current existing games. And i am afraid that Aos will be the donor , as it shows less profit compare to 40k and so on gets less love from big office daddys, much less then it's deserve as for me. That is my concern how this fb stuff can affect me as an aos enjoyer, even if i am a former fantasy fan.

But hey at least 40k would not suffer cause people want theirs new bright shiny primaris lieutenants

[Baron Klatz]

1 hour ago, Lord Veshnakar said:

Hate to resurrect an old question but what happened to the Chaos Duardin rumors? For a while their launch seemed imminent based on a lot of rumors of them being on the horizon from a lot of reputable sources. Did they mistake the Horns of Hashut warband perhaps or was it all just Ash and Mirrors? 

Kinda just dried up after the Hobgrotz hype. Like they’re probably coming at some point but it’ll probably be much later down the line than the clickbait “Hobgrots confirmed!! Their masters next?!?!?” rumor mongers tried to make it seem.

Some people tried to stir something up on Reddit today with Zharr-vyxa being briefly mentioned on the new Ossiarch tome as a chaos duardin sea fortress the Bonereapers have marked on the map to destroy soon but that isn’t a new thing(Ossiarchs moving to destroy it is) as it was first mentioned in the AoS2 Corebook(2018) and had a battle over it in 2020 with the Sons of Behemat book at a rag-tag Order force with 4 Kraken-Eaters in support tried to stop it from mining a underwater city of dead into oblivion.

(picture from 2018 Corebook)

“Zharr Vyxa is fortress rig of Chaos Duardin who drain the energies of death from the waters of the Sea of Drowned Sorrows.

The fire-belching, metal-limbed fortress rig of Zharr Vyxa was built by Chaos-worshipping Duardin who used their infernal industry to siphon the energies of the dead from Aquaenos, an underwater underworld of a lost civilisation of ancient seafarers. Aquaenos sent emisseries to nearby Athanasia and promising the riches of dead seafarer kings as collateral they enlist help from a dozen coastal villages around Hellspoint and four Kraken-eater Mega-Gargants. The alliance launched a fierce oceanic siege but when the Mega-Gargants scaled the fortress the Chaos duardin revealed gargants of their own, ensorcelled and clad in blackiron plate backed up by hundreds of duardin artillerymen. The alliance is beaten back and the blood and ichor spilled over the defence of Zharr stained the foaming waves of the Sea of Drowned Sorrows in red. Aquaenos is eventually drained completely of its magic and is eventually reduced to nothing more than undersea ruins.”

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zharr_Vyxa
 

(little galling even brief AoS background lore makes sure they have their armored gargants but Total War leaves them out, likely to gouge dlc sales later.)

Edited April 15, 2023 by Baron Klatz

[Chikout]

24 minutes ago, Nezermoar said:

I kinda cant agree with you here.Yes, gw is a big boy corporative company nowadays , with resources etc but  if it spreads some of its power into the side gamble project  I suppose that it also will drag these resources from current existing games. And i am afraid that Aos will be the donor , as it shows less profit compare to 40k and so on gets less love from big office daddys, much less then it's deserve as for me. That is my concern how this fb stuff can affect me as an aos enjoyer, even if i am a former fantasy fan.

But hey at least 40k would not suffer cause people want theirs new bright shiny primaris lieutenants

One of the big reasons why gw is such a success now is the diversification of their portfolio of products. Before the resurrection of specialist games gw only had 4 game systems. The old world will be the 12th ongoing game added to GW's portfolio. This is good for the future of gw and as such the future of AoS. If the company dies, AoS dies. 

The old world a specialist games product. They have different designers, artists, rules writers, painters and photographers than the main studio. If Seb Perbet is off designing the Lion for 40k it's time away from his work on the cities project but that won't happen with the old world. 

It's more likely that Gavin Newton will do fewer middle earth minis while he works on the old world. 

As for the playerbase some players will move from AoS especially if the ruleset is good, but others will come in from video games, discover that ranked combat isn't for them and move on to AoS or 40k. 40k is pushing to appeal to a wider audience with its simplified approach. I'm sure 4th edition AoS will do something similar. The old world and Horus Heresy will probably move in the opposite direction. The old world will have longer stat lines, toughness, strength, points for weapons and magic items etc, flanking and all that stuff.

I'm still not convinced by the way they are tackling the project but I'm starting to realise that having an old school game for those that want it, frees up AoS to do something even more different from the old game. That's something I am excited about. 

 

 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

4 hours ago, Lord Veshnakar said:

Hate to resurrect an old question but what happened to the Chaos Duardin rumors? For a while their launch seemed imminent based on a lot of rumors of them being on the horizon from a lot of reputable sources. Did they mistake the Horns of Hashut warband perhaps or was it all just Ash and Mirrors? 

There are new references to evil Duardin in the new OBR tome. Nothing really substantial, but the foreshadowing is still going pretty hard.

[KingBrodd]

6 hours ago, EonChao said:

That said if GW want to bring back those old kits and stick them in Warclans and Gloomspite I'd be up for adding a little more variety to my armies.

I hate to sound like a stick in the mud but I would not like that.

It further pushes the idea that those minis would then take longer to be updated. Not to mention the quality of those kits are no where near AOS level and would stick out.

COS is finally being updated from WHFB leftovers and Id hate to see them just turn back around and fill other Factions with them.

 

[Still-young]

9 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

It‘s not. GW is a 2 Billion GBP Company.

People waited ages for new Bretonnians, then they were removed as a faction and now they want us to spend money on utter dated minis that were ancient even while Warhammer Fantasy was still around. THAT‘S the actual joke.

 

Khemri is mostly fine as are some other Factions like Drukhari. Bretonnia however, boy, it’s a disgrace.

Disagree for Khemri. Well, the newer kits are fine, but the core of that army is as old and naff as Bretonnia. I considered both armies in fantasy and didn’t do either for the same reason, really cool themes let down by old models. And that was 10-15 years ago.