KriticalKhan

Getting rules late into an edition is only a problem if you immediately switch to the new rules. If you and your buddies play armies that don't even have next edition battletomes, then why play the next edition? GW send the Pinkertons to keep you from playing 3e

bro is so angry he bypassed the profanity filter

My only gripe for an ogre refresh is that there's no way GW will keep the level of intercompatibility that exists between the kits right now. Admittedly, it has limited their posing options (which makes sense considering the game they were designed for) but I have been able to make entire units out of spare parts I've had left over and the glut (pun intended) of extra ogre bodies you end up with. I made a Tyrant out of extra bits from the Ironblaster and a unit of Ironguts from left-over Mournfang arms and some Leadbelcher bits. I'm sure whatever GW cooks up will look better than what we've got, but I'll really miss what feels like an unmatched level of easy customization that we have now. Or maybe we'll get dropped like BoC in 5e. Who knows :^)

As someone who was asking for a SCE consolidation, this is about the last way I expected GW to do it haha. And based on their wording and how they want to cut roster bloat, I'm 100% sure they're not coming back. At least, not in the foreseeable future. We would have seen something in the trailers or leaks. It also won't be difficult to proxy them as other units and if you don't like the rules getting dropped, there are better fantasy war games out there. GW makes good models. That's about it. Free yourself from their shackles. It is pretty goofy that the 3e battletome had entire sections and a short story dedicated to saying, "Don't worry, Fatcast. The Thunderstrike won't replace you. Everyone has their role here :^)" And then... Given the existence of Vigilors, I wouldn't mind if Judicators were dropped completely, and Liberators could replace Vindictors and I don't think anyone would complain. But now I have to wonder: what will happen to the Vanguard and Extremis Chambers? Celestant-Prime? I guess they have to save something for 5e.

Other than having a lot of hero units I think the roster bloat of the SCE is slightly overstated. The only major redundancies I see are the Vigilors and Judicators, and the three or four "stalwart battleline" troop options. I was hoping Vindictors would get a multi-part kit with multiple weapon options to replace Liberators entirely. Not sure if "slightly tankier" will be enough to set them apart. A lot of the other units are just different weapon options listed as their own units that could easily be condensed to a single warscroll (Paladins being the only exception I'd like to keep as-is since I think they do a good job defining themselves with unique roles). That being said, what niches can exist for an army have been filled already and I don't see what the Ruination Chamber can bring to the table if it really is just more Stormcast (but with axes instead of hammers!!!). Those fan concepts people like to pretend are real are a lot more interesting and would provide some needed visual variety; nothing that GW has shown so far fills me with confidence. TBH, I'd be happy with some 1e revamps and warscroll condensing rather than adding even more stuff, but that has never been the GW way, so it's whatever

If it weren't for the new design, I'd have thought it was straight out of 1st edition

I hope the ruination chamber has more going on than just vanilla Stormcast with different weapon options

So the big lie was that thing we've known about since 1e and the entire conflict resolution was, "oh well lol" Sasuga, GW Marketing-san....

I am so happy for skaven players. You have waited long enough. May the blessings of the lord of ruin flow.....

My favorite part of Warhammer reveals is seeing the new stuff and going, "I am SO starting this army," and then I do the exact opposite of that. Many such cases

HE'S TOO POWERFUL (and also literally me)

>mod tells people to stop posting about it >everyone keeps posting about it

To everyone who predicted the leaked ghouls would be a new unit and not replacements, I kneel. (actually kinda glad since I like the old ones too but I 100% thought they were getting the axe. Which, they kind of are, considering the executioner 🤔) I already loved the FEC range, but this update has elevated it to one of the best armies GW has ever put out. I adore the freaky new varghulf---I was a little disappointed that it strayed so far from the original design but the vargskyr is a perfect replacement for people who want something more bestial. Normally, I have a thing against buying named characters because I want my armies to be 100% original donut steels, but... Ushoran... Oh, mighty Ushoran... Perfect. Perfect, perfect model. A striking silhouette, characterful pose, enough detail to be interesting but not so much that it's overwhelming with strong contrast in material that keeps them from getting lost amongst themselves, and a base that complements the figure without overwhelming it. Look at how he holds his scepter---the regal, yet casual show of strength. Do you see how the bangles hang off his forearms? How the cape folds around his body and base? The knowledge of gravity on display... The weight of the objects illustrated so subtly yet so apparent. The face is immediately visable despite the amount of detail surrounding it and every line in the model leads toward his outstretched hand, as if he's asking you to kneel in supplication and kiss his ring. Even the broken pillar on the side serves to balance the composition---it creates visual interest without distracting from the focal point. I've never felt more like Patrick Bateman looking at Paul Allen's card than I do now. My god. I cannot wait to see what the skaven players get next edition. You guys have earned it.

The first cross-alliance Army of Renown: Annoying Book Nerds

To continue the long string of "make Kragnos better" suggestions, I think he would have benefited from alternate build options that let you put faction-specific trinkets and iconography on him (ironjawz armor, gutplates and maw symbols for ogres, etc.). Maybe some theming stuff for the base. Obviously, people can do that themselves with left-over bits from their own armies, but a lot of hobbyists I know are allergic to anything that isn't in a GW-approved instruction manual, and it would have shown they actually considered Kragnos to be a cross-faction centerpiece, rather than some guy who looks like he got lost on the way to the BoC book

Decoupling SBGL and FEC is pretty tricky because the terrorgheist alone builds -(Royal) Terrorgheist -(Royal) Zombie Dragon -Ghoul King on Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon -Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon/Prince Vordhrai Six units! One of them is a named character! If GW updates it for FEC, and keeps their options, what happens if they don't add the vampire ones? Do they keep the old kit? Do they lose access to those units entirely? Do they get their own zombie dragon model? You could ask the same thing about Vargheists. They could update them as they are, but I can't think of a single modern AoS kit that has that level of modularity or, as others have said, cross-faction compatibility. One option I see is FEC getting a new terrorgheist with ghoul king, and the vampires getting a new zombie dragon and lord/Vhordrai. Crypt Horrors/Flayers and Vargheists get bespoke kits. Or FEC gets updated models with slightly different names while SBGL keeps the old ones until their own update. Maybe GW doesn't touch any of them. We saw Morghasts and Arkhan dropped from Legions of Nagash when they became SBGL so I think GW is working toward each Death army having unique models but maybe they don't care this time. I don't know why I'm trying to predict this when I've been wrong just about every time. In fact, I could just delete this before I post it but I've spent ten minutes of my life thinking about tiny plastic vampire guys and all of you will just have to deal with it.

roit proper bit of bark there bruv they'll go good in the pot

FEC getting a full teaser like that means this is going to be a big expansion, right? I can only remember trailers for completely new armies or ones that were getting a battletome for the first time. Other than Ushoran and the leaked Ghoul sprues, are there any rumors of what it would have?

You think you have a banger of a post then someone hits you with the 🤨 and you remember to stay humble But on a serious note, for expanding Death, instead of finding a new variant of walking dead guy, GW could treat them like any other race and make a new faction where the differences are in the aesthetics, lore, and playstyle. We've got plenty of elf factions and are still expecting more. We've got two dwarf races. Five different variants of "chaos guy with armor and spikes". We've got racial books like Mawtribes, but even though orks are all in one book they don't have to be. The separate factions in warclans are all the sizes of some other standalone ones. We've got vampires, but vampirates could be their own book. Necromancers and zombies are in SBGL, but you could have a faction of Frankenstein-esque necromancers who don't want to serve the vampires and use twisted science to augment their dark magic. Imagine a faction of sentient zombies that are more like draugr and lean into a completely different cultural pastiche instead of the pseudo-eastern European one that SBGL has now. Bonereapers are like Roman samurai, what if we got a faction that drew from Indian or SEA mythology? Just "undead that aren't human" would probably be enough to set a new faction apart.

The narrative stranglehold Morathi has (had? since rivalries have already been established) was one of the biggest reasons I never started them---it's the same issue I have with Death and Nagash, but the models were too good for me to stay away. A lot of Warhammer lore exists as a framework for players to create their armies and set their battles in so having something say, "This is how it is 100% of the time with no exceptions," feels pretty weird and counterintuitive to that. Conflict is the beating heart of every narrative, so even having them as hopeless underdogs is still a big boost to the universe and what stories you can tell with them. Actual model support would be even better. On that note, I really hope GW uses Nagash's (temporary) downfall as an excuse to bring back some other gods of death. They don't have to be equal in power, but just saying they're out there and doing stuff opens a lot of narrative potential.

So many races would benefit from even single-unit releases with their battletomes over more foot heroes, but the profit margin for them is probably lightyears apart. Keeping seraphon as an example, imagine how much less effort it takes to design one fancy saurus guy vs a squad of ten and then be able to sell it for almost the same amount. But with Sylvaneth, Ironjawz, and potentially FEC (if it's not just new ghouls), there's still hope for other factions to get proper expansions... eventually.

Other than the usual suspects (Chorfs, Malerion, Kurnothi, etc.) perhaps the most credible is that some amount of older Stormcast models are getting Thunderstrike replacements to go with 4e. And there's the FEC update, but I'm not sure we have any actual rumors or leaks for it, other than the new ghoul sprue.

GW's marketing for bretonnia is getting out of hand

WHITEFANG LAUGH REACT. BUT TO WHICH PART??