The Rumour Thread

[cyrus]

6 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

Dawnbringer Crusades is gonna be released this year as a midterm campaign and it will be the point to start the end of the edition as it was Wrath of the Everchosen.

Cities of Sigmar is gonna be released during First Half of 2023

This is what I heard.

So Dawnbringer crusades campaign book within december 2022 and new cities of sigmar miniatures/battletome within june 2023 ?

It is earlier than I expected  but it sounds great !

[Draznak]

43 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

We had more books this first year than any other AoS or Fantasy edition. The lack of content or news is more a perception than a reality

I think the problem is more with the number of new miniatures than with all the paper publications.

Since January 2022, AoS has only received 14 new kits (I'm not counting Warcry/Underworlds releases). 14. It is extremely little in my opinion. Each of the 10 battletomes released this year only had one character mini, except Sylvaneth/Nighthaunts with 3 kits each other (an avalanche of news, isn't it ?)

At the same time 40k received 32 kits (without Kill Team boxes) with three major updates (Aeldari, Chaos Marines and Votann).

Finally, I'm also not including Slaves to Darkness and Astra Militarum in my count because their official release, excluding army set, will technically take place in 2023.

And I could have pushed further for AoS because since the launch of 3rd edition with Stormcast / Krulboyz, there has only been the Maggotkin battletome at the end of 2021 with a single mini there again.

I really hope that there are going to be new minis in significant numbers in 2023, despite 40k 10th edition. AoS rules may be accessible and armies balanced between them, but the game mainly needs miniatures to generate enthusiasm (Cities of Sigmar, do you hear me?).

Edited November 2, 2022 by Draznak

[madmac]

5 minutes ago, cyrus said:

So Dawnbringer crusades campaign book within december 2022 and new cities of sigmar miniatures/battletome within june 2023 ?

It is earlier than I expected  but it sounds great !

Well, setting aside the miniatures, it should be expected that the next Broken Realm style campaign starts at the end of next year to lead into the new edition release, that's how they always do them.

Likewise, the new City models are obviously already done at this point, as Votann and World Eaters were when they started out doing journals with vague concept art and such so the only thing they're waiting on is whatever release slot GW has decided to put them in.

[Nezzhil]

12 minutes ago, cyrus said:

So Dawnbringer crusades campaign book within december 2022 and new cities of sigmar miniatures/battletome within june 2023 ?

It is earlier than I expected  but it sounds great !

Sorry, I was talking always in terms of 2023 releases

[Vasshpit]

@Nezzhil

You mentioned bloodpelt stats, have you seen them? Care to share with the class?

Also with a $45 price tag im thinking he might actually be on a 50mm. 

[Nezzhil]

14 minutes ago, Draznak said:

I think the problem is more with the number of new miniatures than with all the paper publications.

Since January 2022, AoS has only received 14 new kits (I'm not counting Warcry/Underworlds releases). 14. It is extremely little in my opinion. Each of the 10 battletomes released this year only had one character mini, except Sylvaneth/Nighthaunts with 3 kits each other (an avalanche of news, isn't it ?)

At the same time 40k received 32 kits (without Kill Team boxes) with three major updates (Aeldari, Chaos Marines and Votann).

Finally, I'm also not including Slaves to Darkness and Astra Militarum in my count because their official release, excluding army set, will technically take place in 2023.

And I could have pushed further for AoS because since the launch of 3rd edition with Stormcast / Krulboyz, there has only been the Maggotkin battletome at the end of 2021 with a single mini there again.

I really hope that there are going to be new minis in significant numbers in 2023, despite 40k 10th edition. AoS rules may be accessible and armies balanced between them, but the game mainly needs miniatures to generate enthusiasm (Cities of Sigmar, do you hear me?).

You must compare first year Vs first year. Sisters of Battle second wave and Beast Snagga Orks were the only two big releases during that time on W40k

 

[Clan's Cynic]

AoS locally is still pretty healthy. Healthier than it was during that weird No Man's Land period between 3.0 launching and there barely being any Battletomes until 2022. Now most armies have theirs, things are going pretty steady. I wouldn't say the local scene is flagging or booming, merely consistent. 

I think part of the issue might be that in a lot of communities the New Hotness is Horus Heresy. This period in the 9-months before a new 40k edition is usually when people get disenfranchised and dip their toes back into AoS for a while, but this year a lot of that potential new/returning blood is filtering into 30k instead (as well as curious people who play AoS looking into it) which is where some of the momentum might be being lost.

It's also difficult to understate how many Cities/former Fantasy players I know have decided to hold off until the CoS/Dawnbringers update comes around. That launch is going to be enormous. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Clan's Cynic

[MitGas]

I think the „one hero plus tome“ release strategy might read as the bare minimum to a lot of players, despite it being an elegant solution to quickly ipdate many forces. I‘m not sure if a couple of smaller waves like the Sylvaneth one wouldn‘t have created more hype ultimately but it‘s a theory. When I look at 40k, I still consider us lucky rule-wise, despite me being a negative nancy at first sight.

edit: I think 2023 will be a better year for AoS, even if GW focuses 40k. A couple of cool releases (starting with slaves now) and AoS will be at a great place again mentally. 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by MitGas

[Lucentia]

23 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

@Nezzhil

You mentioned bloodpelt stats, have you seen them? Care to share with the class?

Also with a $45 price tag im thinking he might actually be on a 50mm. 

All the Ogor infantry heroes are on 50mm per the most recent base size chart from 2021, I'd assume the new one will follow suite.

[SunStorm]

1 hour ago, Gitzdee said:

Imho the game has never been more hype. Every model released looks better than the one before. The lore is really fun and i am starting to understand the mortal realms more. Ofcourse things have been a bit slow for some armies but i also dont expect GW to revamp every army each year. I am also really hyped for things to come. Really looking forward to the tomes that still need to be released, especially Gitz, CoS, Fec and BoC could really be hype releases. Last year was also a good year for me. I got updated Sylvaneth and Nighhaunt with some awesome new models. I also really like what Underworlds and Warcry is doing for AoS. I am starting to get into Warcry and want to get a game in soon with the new edition if i can. Also am really motivated to paint a lot of stuff up at the moment. Maybe it is just me but i couldnt be more happy with the hobby at the moment. 

It's been a good year for AoS-adjacent games I think. WHU, Warcry and WHQ are all part of the same world and models can be used in the main game. Has there been a lack of big releases between Soulblight Grave Lords and the upcoming Slaves to Darkness? Possibly, but it's disingenuous to claim we've had nothing. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Marcvs]

AoS has been doing great at my club and in my community since the start of 3.0, winning back players who didn't like the state of the game in the tail of 2.0 and disgruntled 40k players.

The threat I see looming on the horizon is that many players have been voicing concerns over the doubling of the GHB, both because it seems like a way to milk them for more cash and because most of them simply do not have the level of involvement in the game to keep up with the changes

[Chikout]

54 minutes ago, Draznak said:

I think the problem is more with the number of new miniatures than with all the paper publications.

Since January 2022, AoS has only received 14 new kits (I'm not counting Warcry/Underworlds releases). 14. It is extremely little in my opinion. Each of the 10 battletomes released this year only had one character mini, except Sylvaneth/Nighthaunts with 3 kits each other (an avalanche of news, isn't it ?)

At the same time 40k received 32 kits (without Kill Team boxes) with three major updates (Aeldari, Chaos Marines and Votann).

Finally, I'm also not including Slaves to Darkness and Astra Militarum in my count because their official release, excluding army set, will technically take place in 2023.

And I could have pushed further for AoS because since the launch of 3rd edition with Stormcast / Krulboyz, there has only been the Maggotkin battletome at the end of 2021 with a single mini there again.

I really hope that there are going to be new minis in significant numbers in 2023, despite 40k 10th edition. AoS rules may be accessible and armies balanced between them, but the game mainly needs miniatures to generate enthusiasm (Cities of Sigmar, do you hear me?).

So I did a bit of counting and in 2021 age of sigmar received 62 new kits not counting Underworlds, Warcry or Cursed City. 5 factions got major updates That's by far the best year AoS or indeed any format of Warhammer fantasy has ever had and noticeably more kits than 40k will end up getting this year. Even if you throw in the Horus heresy plastic kits, 2021 AoS still comes out on top. I do wonder how much this year's poor showing is a bit of a hangover from that. 

Still the idea that we might see the cities of Sigmar come to fruition sooner rather than later is very exciting, especially as it looks like we could be seeing a Seraphon update too. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Chikout

[novakai]

12 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

It's been a good year for AoS-adjacent games I think. WHU, Warcry and WHQ are all part of the same world and models can be used in the main game. Has there been a lack of big releases between Soulblight Grave Lords and the upcoming Slaves to Darkness? Possibly, but it's disingenuous to claim we've had nothing. 

 

 

 

 

 

Eh is because to most people they are just side games and it not like those where big release. Warcry didn’t even get the same amount of marketing as Killteam did the year prior.

at least I get the feeling most people shrug off those release as it neat but not really relevant to the main game

[Vasshpit]

16 minutes ago, Lucentia said:

All the Ogor infantry heroes are on 50mm per the most recent base size chart from 2021, I'd assume the new one will follow suite.

If true he's truly ogor sized and the biggest so far!!! Will be my first ogor purchase annnnd just wait for others to match. 

[novakai]

6 minutes ago, Chikout said:

So I did a bit of counting and in 2021 age of sigmar received 62 new kits not counting Underworlds, Warcry or Cursed City. 5 factions got major updates That's by far the best year AoS or indeed any format of Warhammer fantasy has ever had and noticeably more kits than 40k will end up getting this year. Even if you throw in the Horus heresy plastic kits, 2021 AoS still comes out on top. I do wonder how much this year's poor showing is a bit of a hangover from that. 

Still the idea that we might see the cities of Sigmar come to fruition sooner rather than later is very exciting, especially as it looks like we could be seeing a Seraphon update too. 

It was most likely because  of 2020 had a lot of AoS release delayed into 2021. We only had LRL and Sons that year but it was pretty spares because of Covid and 9th edition

I assume 2021 was just an abnormal year and not a benchmarks 

Edited November 2, 2022 by novakai

[Draznak]

39 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

You must compare first year Vs first year. Sisters of Battle second wave and Beast Snagga Orks were the only two big releases during that time on W40k

Ork wave came out a little after the first year of 40k 9th edition (september 2021) but yeah I get it. Hopefully next year we can compare the evolution of AoS range.

 

5 minutes ago, Chikout said:

Still the idea that we might see the cities of Sigmar come to fruition sooner rather than later is very exciting, especially as it looks like we could be seeing a Seraphon update too. 

And maybe FEC if i correctly interpret the recent Whitefang's omens.

 

Otherwise I'm bouncing on next month's free vanari auralan sentinel. If I remember correctly they said about two months ago that the free mini of the month would now be a new one and no longer an existing kit... So, they are already going back on their word??

[EntMan]

15 minutes ago, Draznak said:

Otherwise I'm bouncing on next month's free vanari auralan sentinel. If I remember correctly they said about two months ago that the free mini of the month would now be a new one and no longer an existing kit... So, they are already going back on their word??

Yes, my impression is that they are. Last month it was a Cursed City mini which was pre-existing (albeit re-released)

Edited November 2, 2022 by EntMan

[EntMan]

Two Slaves articles up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/02/battletome-slaves-to-darkness-has-new-warscrolls-to-bring-ruin-to-the-mortal-realms/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/01/fight-to-draw-the-eye-of-the-gods-in-battletome-slaves-to-darkness/

The Eye of the Gods rules look fun. And dare I say it, a bit unpredictable and chaotic!

Edited November 2, 2022 by EntMan

[Twisted Firaun]

2 minutes ago, EntMan said:

Two Slaves articles up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/02/battletome-slaves-to-darkness-has-new-warscrolls-to-bring-ruin-to-the-mortal-realms/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/01/fight-to-draw-the-eye-of-the-gods-in-battletome-slaves-to-darkness/

It looks like the ogroids are gonna be an auto-include in Khorne Armies, if only for fluff reasons (+1 to sound if the unit’s been wounded, an additional attack one per game). 

[Ganigumo]

53 minutes ago, MitGas said:

I think the „one hero plus tome“ release strategy might read as the bare minimum to a lot of players, despite it being an elegant solution to quickly ipdate many forces. I‘m not sure if a couple of smaller waves like the Sylvaneth one wouldn‘t have created more hype ultimately but it‘s a theory. When I look at 40k, I still consider us lucky rule-wise, despite me being a negative nancy at first sight.

edit: I think 2023 will be a better year for AoS, even if GW focuses 40k. A couple of cool releases (starting with slaves now) and AoS will be at a great place again mentally. 

 

I think doing dual tome releases is hurting too. it creates bigger gaps between releases.

[Grungnisson]

12 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

I think doing dual tome releases is hurting too. it creates bigger gaps between releases.

It might be a bit of a necessity though. Allows them to push out the updates with only half the disruption to other releases' schedules.

[CommissarRotke]

2 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

Imho the game has never been more hype. Every model released looks better than the one before. The lore is really fun and i am starting to understand the mortal realms more. Ofcourse things have been a bit slow for some armies but i also dont expect GW to revamp every army each year. I am also really hyped for things to come. Really looking forward to the tomes that still need to be released, especially Gitz, CoS, Fec and BoC could really be hype releases. Last year was also a good year for me. I got updated Sylvaneth and Nighhaunt with some awesome new models. I also really like what Underworlds and Warcry is doing for AoS. I am starting to get into Warcry and want to get a game in soon with the new edition if i can. Also am really motivated to paint a lot of stuff up at the moment. Maybe it is just me but i couldnt be more happy with the hobby at the moment. 

My thing is... I agree with everything you said. However. if GW is keeping as much as possible "in house" to prevent any weird shipping delays, they are very much overloading themselves. We can talk about how the different game systems are different dev teams, but a- GW is only so willing to pay so many people to do that and b- this does not change their production capacity.

With 30k being a hit, 40k still being the obvious favorite and moneymaker, specialist 40k expanding, and who knows how much work for TOW... I think we should be concerned about what happens with AOS between now and when 10e and TOW come out. There is news and yet there isn't... we got a roadmap yet it changed 2 or 3 times, so we know any AOS roadmaps simply cannot be trusted. Cursed City "came back" and then the expansions whimpered. WHU got a huge rotation of models put in storage, while the remaining ones got reboxed without cards at a higher price.

2 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

We had more books this first year than any other AoS or Fantasy edition. The lack of content or news is more a perception than a reality

"News" needs to include actual, respectful communication with us and not just "announcing new thing!" or their weirdly insulting "whoopsies!" video about the Votann book...

[Vasshpit]

21 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

I think doing dual tome releases is hurting too. it creates bigger gaps between releases.

If they got equal love it wouldnt hurt as bad. 

[Bosskelot]

Again, it doesn't help that a lot of the tomes have been very low effort affairs; many of them have very little in the way of meaningful changes and you're being asked to spend £32.50 on what amounts to a tiny range of changes and in some cases doesn't solve some long running legacy issues from previous books.

It's just a good way to suck the hype and enthusiasm out of releases. 

[The Red King]

2 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

We had more books this first year than any other AoS or Fantasy edition. The lack of content or news is more a perception than a reality

If the "perception" of lack of content leads to the "reality" of reduced interest from your playerbase then you have to deal with the reality whether the cause is real or not.