The World Tree Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, yukishiro1 said: Bounty Hunters is a super easy fix, just make it only work on stuff taken in the counts-as-3 bat. Then it admittedly does become a true game of battalion chicken, but that's ok because you have to opt into it to play it. If you want GV that aren't super vulnerable you can have that, if you want to go for broke with the counts-as-3 thing and chance it on whether someone picks the counter batallion, you can risk it for the biscuit. But you're not shut out of taking the whole infantry thing seriously because in fact for some bizarre reason veteran units are far squishier than non-veteran ones. Maybe play a game with it before suggesting fixes? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 5 hours ago, yukishiro1 said: The lists to beat are going to be ones that can complete 5 BTs without needing any GV to do it, IMO. Especially lists that can start with no or limited GV but bring them in later if needed. E.g. a certain kind of BoC list that takes say Dragon Ogors and Enlightened on Discs, neither of which are GV, but that can bring in GV as needed using the summoning engine depending on the mission and the matchup. Nurgle Oops All Flies lists are another example I guess, though the summoning potential in that list is much less and plaguebearers aren't nearly as attractive a GV to bring in as a summon as a lot of the BoC stuff. Battle tactics will most likely require GVs from your starting army to be completed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 52 minutes ago, Marcvs said: Battle tactics will most likely require GVs from your starting army to be completed 2 out of 8 require GV to complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, lare2 said: 2 out of 8 require GV to complete. Yeah but is it just "GV unit" or "GV unit from your starting army"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 7 hours ago, yukishiro1 said: The lists to beat are going to be ones that can complete 5 BTs without needing any GV to do it, IMO. Especially lists that can start with no or limited GV but bring them in later if needed. E.g. a certain kind of BoC list that takes say Dragon Ogors and Enlightened on Discs, neither of which are GV, but that can bring in GV as needed using the summoning engine depending on the mission and the matchup. Nurgle Oops All Flies lists are another example I guess, though the summoning potential in that list is much less and plaguebearers aren't nearly as attractive a GV to bring in as a summon as a lot of the BoC stuff. 34 minutes ago, Marcvs said: Yeah but is it just "GV unit" or "GV unit from your starting army"? I'm pretty sure summoned units can never be GV, since only Battleline units can be GV and summoned units don't have battleline roles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus The Blue Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Anyone else really excited about the new Endless Spell rules? Lots of changes and some looking really good now. As someone who plays a few armies with good casters but poor lorea, this is great news. I think Jaws in particular is a massive improvement for only 5 points more. No foot heros will be safe from it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: I'm pretty sure summoned units can never be GV, since only Battleline units can be GV and summoned units don't have battleline roles. honestly not sure this is true for 3.0, I think I remember it being an FAQ for 2.0 but it hasn't been transferred to 3.0 (hence the need for the limitation "from your / your opponent starting army" in present battle tactics). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Marcvs said: honestly not sure this is true for 3.0, I think I remember it being an FAQ for 2.0 but it hasn't been transferred to 3.0 (hence the need for the limitation "from your / your opponent starting army" in present battle tactics). Seems like you're right! I can't find any reference to the rule anymore in any of the faqs or the core rules. So I guess summoned stuff can be battleline again. Honestly, it makes more sense that way anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vastus Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 The Demonstration of Strength grand strategy does specify 'Galletian Veterans from your starting army', so it does seem likely that summoned units can count as GV. Interestingly the Show of Dominance grand strategy does not specify that they have to be from your starting army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Another ghb, another battleplan which turns off reserves for no good damn reason. If after 6 years you still think this is a test of “good generalship”, then ask why there isn’t a battleplan to turn off ward saves, summoning, magic, reviving models, faction terrain, blood rites/high tide, shooting or melee. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprues&Brews Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Hey guys, our review of the new Generals Handbook is now live! 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackOfBlades Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: summoned units don't have battleline roles. Where is this noted again? i cant find the page Edit: Oh makes sense, now i see the new posts. Nevermind this Edited June 18, 2022 by JackOfBlades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neverchosen Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 May have missed it if someone shared already but our friend Ash has posted his Skaven deep dive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingding123 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Q: Is a unit a GV if it could possibly be a legal battleline in a subfaction for your army, or merely if it is being brought as a battleline in yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 4 hours ago, KingBrodd said: I mean you just be as bored and uncaring as the last release lol 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, novakai said: I mean you just be as bored and uncaring as the last release lol Uncaring? Not at all I love when new Tomes and Minis come out, especially for their fans. I love seeing the Lore that accompanies them. Not to mention that there are 2 Destruction Tomes coming and seeing as I collext 3/4 of the Factions and the only one I dont collect is already released it means Im getting new Lore books soon. Not mention Warcry, I love terrain pieces and seeing as its Ghur we are no doubt getting a Destruction Warband. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 Does anyone else really dislike the term Gallatian Veterans? It sounds super specific, not at all a general term across almost all factions. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, zilberfrid said: Does anyone else really dislike the term Gallatian Veterans? It sounds super specific, not at all a general term across almost all factions. You mean Gelato Veterans 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yukishiro1 Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Dingding123 said: Q: Is a unit a GV if it could possibly be a legal battleline in a subfaction for your army, or merely if it is being brought as a battleline in yours? Only if it's battleline in yours. So some units will be GV in certain armies but not in others. E.g. Hearthguard Berzerkers are not GV unless you take a Runefather general, in which case they are. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Magnus The Blue said: Anyone else really excited about the new Endless Spell rules? Lots of changes and some looking really good now. As someone who plays a few armies with good casters but poor lorea, this is great news. I think Jaws in particular is a massive improvement for only 5 points more. No foot heros will be safe from it! Yes! They look less complex and more interesting! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Mutton said: You mean Gelato Veterans I have done my duty, and slain many gelatos. With summer only two days away, I must once again rise to the challenge... 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowHills Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 22 hours ago, Mutton said: You mean Gelato Veterans Eh? What was that? Gelatin Veterinarians? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/19/sunday-preview-kill-maim-and-requisition-with-codex-chaos-space-marines/ Finally we are starting to see the Chaos Space Marines released. The quicker their out, the quicker we're back to AOS!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyantheFett Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) So I am new to this game, but do the points changes seem tame across the board? Do a 5 or 10 point increase really change list building for 2000 point games? I really do not know!! Like I always figure constant point changes allows GW to shake up the meta and try new things. Especially since they do this every 6 months and can always reverse the changes. I come from Star Wars Legion and while the point changes were mostly tame they often looked at the least taken units and just buffed the ****** out of them for six months lol. Edited June 19, 2022 by RyantheFett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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