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2 hours ago, silverstu said:

Probably because all the new big releases for both systems are being saved for the New Year and the festive Rumour Engines..

I'm so excited for the Festive Rumour Engine!! 

1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:

New Model for Necromunda might make a decent sphiranx or chaos spawn proxy but I much prefer the original chaos kitty over this one:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/08/part-lizard-part-cat-all-violence-heres-the-escher-khimerix/

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This is a badass model I love it!!

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1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:

New Model for Necromunda might make a decent sphiranx or chaos spawn proxy but I much prefer the original chaos kitty over this one:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/08/part-lizard-part-cat-all-violence-heres-the-escher-khimerix/

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I don't know who decided the kitty needed a cute bow on its forearm, but it was the right decision.

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4 hours ago, edmc78 said:

The boxed / specialist games product pipe seems to be a bit quicker than 40K and AOS. I assume this is as much around product development in terms of points, rules and balance in the big multi-tied games as it is actual model design and tooling. 

Or perhaps the specialist stuff has all been sitting in warehouses ready to go because 40k and AOS gets priority for schedule, and these things have been kicked back to keep the big systems on track as much as possible. Warcry, for example, went almost a full year without any releases, so I wouldn't be surprised if the initial plan was to release Red Harvest much sooner.

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6 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

New Model for Necromunda might make a decent sphiranx or chaos spawn proxy but I much prefer the original chaos kitty over this one:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/08/part-lizard-part-cat-all-violence-heres-the-escher-khimerix/

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I think this guy could make for a fancy spawn but this guy is going to be too small to use as a sphiranx. 

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3 hours ago, novakai said:

I not sure if this been mention before but looking at the Hobgrot product description has a direct name drop of Hashut

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Well, all the Chaos gods obviously kept their names, and so did Sigmar, Grimnir, the Horned Rat and a few others... So I'm not suprised in the slightest. But then again I'm one of the 'bad' TGA members anyway, with liking Aelves and not thirsting for any tidbit on Chaos Dwarves.. 😅

But I'm happy for anyone who gets something out of this. 😊

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4 hours ago, novakai said:

I not sure if this been mention before but looking at the Hobgrot product description has a direct name drop of Hashut

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I am ESPECIALLY happy for this as I was terrified they intended to roll them up into Slaves to Darkness and chaos undivided. Bring on the Chaos Dwarfs of old with Greenskin slaves!! I don't know if anyone remembers me but I am a long time Chaos Dwarf nut. I made the Spell Cards on the Chaos Dwarf forum that practically everyone was using for the Tamurkhan Chaos Dwarfs.

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5 hours ago, Lord Veshnakar said:

I am ESPECIALLY happy for this as I was terrified they intended to roll them up into Slaves to Darkness and chaos undivided. Bring on the Chaos Dwarfs of old with Greenskin slaves!! I don't know if anyone remembers me but I am a long time Chaos Dwarf nut. I made the Spell Cards on the Chaos Dwarf forum that practically everyone was using for the Tamurkhan Chaos Dwarfs.

I think with the direction that Games Workshop is moving Slaves to Darkness (via Warcry) means that worshiping a god beyond the traditional pantheon would not preclude them from the army. I do think it means they likely will not have access to Marks. Chaos Undivided incorporates different forms of God Worship not exclusively the Four Powers. Namely it has been established that the Warcry Warbands are not certain of the nature, or names of the Chaos Gods and may worship their own version of the Gods. Archaon and Be'Lakor both have cults dedicated to their worship. 

So in other words, I do not consider the worship of Hashut, Morghur, Malal or any other named or unnamed god a way to preclude inclusion in Slaves to Darkness. If anything I think it has more to do with following Archaon's ongoing wild ride so I can imagine him contracting the worshipers of Hashut into his service. This is why I can also imagine BoC entering the S2D soup... however, I feel both Chaos Dwarves and BoC would be too much likely leading to a larger number of Wascrolls than Cities of Sigmar or SCE.  

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Had a long and silly addendum about the chaos gods and my army creating a false Cosmology based on their worship. I thought it was best to remain focused on rumours.
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2 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I think with the direction that Games Workshop is moving Slaves to Darkness (via Warcry) means that worshiping a god beyond the traditional pantheon would not preclude them from the army. I do think it means they likely will not have access to Marks. Chaos Undivided incorporates different forms of God Worship not exclusively the Four Powers. Namely it has been established that the Warcry Warbands are not certain of the nature, or names of the Chaos Gods and may worship their own version of the Gods. Archaon and Be'Lakor both have cults dedicated to their worship. 

So in other words, I do not consider the worship of Hashut, Morghur, Malal or any other named or unnamed god a way to preclude inclusion in Slaves to Darkness. If anything I think it has more to do with following Archaon's ongoing wild ride so I can imagine him contracting the worshipers of Hashut into his service. This is why I can also imagine BoC entering the S2D soup... however, I feel both Chaos Dwarves and BoC would be too much likely leading to a larger number of Wascrolls than Cities of Sigmar or SCE.  
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For the lore of my own Chaos force I have been thinking of having them view the Eight Pointed Star as representing a pantheon of Gods. I do not consider this canon lore but rather unreliable theological understandings within my Chaos Forces. In my mind it is a pantheon designed by Be'Lakor to place himself as an equal of the Gods but also to help place mortal agents that worship him into Archaon's legions. Archaon will not be seen as a God but an Avatar and nexus of the Gods. I am open to changing some of these out or rearranging the position of the Gods but I will keep the opposing gods in opposite cardinal directions. I am thinking that Morghur will be a separate primordial force treated as an unknowable god outside of the Pantheon an embodiment of Chaos. I will note this is a very background part of my army's lore, but it helps me develop background for my characters having more varied beliefs creating rivalries and alternate lists based around different marks. 
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Also feel free to steal for your own crazy chaotic cosmology! I also know that having a 'clean cosmology' is not very Chaotic but I really like the idea of Chaos being a contradiction with Mortal Followers attempting and failing to make sense of the dreams of demons.

The most accurate thing here is Slaanesh, whom we all know prefers bottom.

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16 hours ago, silverstu said:

Probably because all the new big releases for both systems are being saved for the New Year and the festive Rumour Engines..

Man, I don't think they revealed all the stuff from the last festive rumour engine cycle

Edit: Oldest rumour engine is from March 2020.
Advent calendar 2020, two unsolved

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5 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I think with the direction that Games Workshop is moving Slaves to Darkness (via Warcry) means that worshiping a god beyond the traditional pantheon would not preclude them from the army. I do think it means they likely will not have access to Marks. Chaos Undivided incorporates different forms of God Worship not exclusively the Four Powers. Namely it has been established that the Warcry Warbands are not certain of the nature, or names of the Chaos Gods and may worship their own version of the Gods. Archaon and Be'Lakor both have cults dedicated to their worship. 

So in other words, I do not consider the worship of Hashut, Morghur, Malal or any other named or unnamed god a way to preclude inclusion in Slaves to Darkness. If anything I think it has more to do with following Archaon's ongoing wild ride so I can imagine him contracting the worshipers of Hashut into his service. This is why I can also imagine BoC entering the S2D soup... however, I feel both Chaos Dwarves and BoC would be too much likely leading to a larger number of Wascrolls than Cities of Sigmar or SCE.  

Lets discuss the chaos pantheon stuff in another thread some time. I agree its not a good idea to derail the rumours further, but I like your schema and I have thoughts!

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7 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I think with the direction that Games Workshop is moving Slaves to Darkness (via Warcry) means that worshiping a god beyond the traditional pantheon would not preclude them from the army. I do think it means they likely will not have access to Marks. Chaos Undivided incorporates different forms of God Worship not exclusively the Four Powers. Namely it has been established that the Warcry Warbands are not certain of the nature, or names of the Chaos Gods and may worship their own version of the Gods. Archaon and Be'Lakor both have cults dedicated to their worship. 

So in other words, I do not consider the worship of Hashut, Morghur, Malal or any other named or unnamed god a way to preclude inclusion in Slaves to Darkness. If anything I think it has more to do with following Archaon's ongoing wild ride so I can imagine him contracting the worshipers of Hashut into his service. This is why I can also imagine BoC entering the S2D soup... however, I feel both Chaos Dwarves and BoC would be too much likely leading to a larger number of Wascrolls than Cities of Sigmar or SCE.  

I'd agree with that.

I'm seeing slaves becoming a faction where the chaos gods might as well the rumbling volcano in the distance that just spews it's displeasure once in a while.  they aren't there to serve the gods and their whims per se, rather that chaos is just a factor in their lives, no different to rain, fire and water giving or destroying, and those that do mark are merely identifying with the power that serves them best at a given point.  Novels like Wulfric, and some of the warcry literature illustrates this very well, as does Red Feast as it happens.  The discussions on the marauder tribes in Liber Chaotica is amazing at explaining this. I really hope we get a reprint of it.

Mortals who serve chaos because fo the lands they inhabit and the lives they lead, so are born into it by default rather than chase service to it, and to them why would not the city dwellers of the civilised lands not appear weak, and in Arky we see a figurehead that reflects the ultimate exaltation of their way of life and belief, after all, to the barbarians of the wastes Archaon has made gods kneel before him as he has no master but all want his favour.

And I think this is where GW wants the distinction to come vs the god aligned armies who are all about their patron god body and soul, and who in turn shape their followers better to reflect their own image.

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10 hours ago, Lord Veshnakar said:

I am ESPECIALLY happy for this as I was terrified they intended to roll them up into Slaves to Darkness and chaos undivided. Bring on the Chaos Dwarfs of old with Greenskin slaves!! I don't know if anyone remembers me but I am a long time Chaos Dwarf nut. I made the Spell Cards on the Chaos Dwarf forum that practically everyone was using for the Tamurkhan Chaos Dwarfs.

And for that I truly loved you :D

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