The Rumour Thread

[KingKull]

20 minutes ago, Ekrund Oath Splitters said:

From what I rememeber its meant to be a range refresh, new Doombull, Bullgor and Jabberslyth in a box set vs Gloomspite Gitz. I cant recall if they were rumoured to get new Gors/Bestigors though.

Very much obliged! Something like that would indeed be wonderful! 

 

Although, it would be weird if GW re-designed the minotaur part without touching the gors/ungors, since IIRC, the current minotaur kit is a bit younger than the baseline beasts. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by KingKull

[Still-young]

22 minutes ago, Ekrund Oath Splitters said:

My guess is itll be a filler week, some bloodbowl, necromunda redemptors, titanicus, etc. Then the week after they resume AoS/40k.

We aren’t expecting anything for those. Maybe bloodbowl, I don’t follow that very closely, but the Redemptionists for Necromunda have just come out and unless I’m forgetting something there’s nothing in the Titanicus pipeline unless they do a surprise release. 
 

Maybe the rest of the 40k sisters? They split that release up again. 

[Ekrund Oath Splitters]

3 minutes ago, Still-young said:

We aren’t expecting anything for those. Maybe bloodbowl, I don’t follow that very closely, but the Redemptionists for Necromunda have just come out and unless I’m forgetting something there’s nothing in the Titanicus pipeline unless they do a surprise release. 
 

Maybe the rest of the 40k sisters? They split that release up again. 

we probably have more to come from House Cawdor. like what was shown earlier this week, Sisters will most likely get their Castigator on preorder along with their new banner lady and they can always throw in some kind of specialist game, whethers thats Titanicus, Aeronautica, etc.

I think they would of hinted at whats next for Sigmar already if we were gonna get a SCE and KB the week after Dominion but its been relatively quiet. To me atleast it feels like the hype of Dominion has died down quiet a bit, I dunno if thats just the 2 week wait or the lack of articles (the faction ones were pretty damn bad) and I havent felt like theyve pressed the hype train any more. I would have loved some short stories on the Kruleboyz, or more designer commentary, something to keep me engaged. Instead I restarted my StD army that I sold haha!

[HollowHills]

48 minutes ago, Ekrund Oath Splitters said:

To me atleast it feels like the hype of Dominion has died down quiet a bit

The owner of my lgs told me that dominion has sold badly for GW and they aren't doing any kind of second run now. He said he sold more than he expected but will have copies in stock for awhile, compared to Indomitus which sold out within minutes. 

Obviously AoS is less popular than 40k, but I think it's also fair to say that the percentage of aps players who play stormcast is much less than the percentage of 40k players who play space marine variants.

[King Under the Mountain]

11 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

 

Obviously AoS is less popular than 40k, but I think it's also fair to say that the percentage of aps players who play stormcast is much less than the percentage of 40k players who play space marine variants.

I get the benefit of having an easy to paint faction in the starter box and I obviously don't have the numbers or stats that GW has but from my own personal experience within my own fairly large gaming group, Stormcast is just not popular.  

Doing a quick headcount, my group of 14+ has only one person who plays Stormcast as his main army while 5 people play Lumineth and almost that many play Ossiarch.  

Ironjawz, Nighthaunt and Kharadron are also fairly popular here. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by King Under the Mountain

[KingBrodd]

Hopefully next weekend they start the full hype cycle up again with Starter Kit announcements and perhaps theyll even throw up a timeline of expected Battletomes, not release dates but just which order the first wave will come in? I definitely feel like theres less hype (away from here of course) than there was for 9th Edition. I swear there wasnt an AOS article on WHC for weeks before and after the 9th Launch.

[Enoby]

24 minutes ago, HollowHills said:

The owner of my lgs told me that dominion has sold badly for GW and they aren't doing any kind of second run now. He said he sold more than he expected but will have copies in stock for awhile, compared to Indomitus which sold out within minutes. 

Obviously AoS is less popular than 40k, but I think it's also fair to say that the percentage of aps players who play stormcast is much less than the percentage of 40k players who play space marine variants.

It would be a shame if Dominion has sold poorly - obviously GW would never say, but hopefully it doesn't mean that AoS as a whole is doing poorly and it more signifies a lack of interest in those two armies (though that would be a shame too).

Anyone got any clue as to why it may have sold poorly, if this is the case?

[TimeToWaste85]

3 hours ago, KingKull said:

Speaking of rumors of upcoming factions, I believe that one (the notorious 4chan leak?) said something about a substantial Beastmen release? 

If so, would anyone be so kind as to remember any further details (if there are any)? 

The Beastmen rumor got me excited as frankly that would be one of the factions (the other couple being more wild-hunty wood elves and generic human barbarians) that would finally get me into AoS. 

With Beastmen it would be nice to see a huge plastic Shaggoth (options for Kholek Suneater) and Galrauch the Chaos Dragon (with a generic build) make a return. It would be a great way to bring them back, give two huge kits that have multiple purchase options…yeah, I’d actually get Beastmen at that point (ok, id buy the dragon, Shaggoth and dragon ogors as an army)

[Chikout]

@Enoby

I think there are several factors. 

1- AoS has had a banging six months. I don't know about anyone else but I've already spent more this year than I usually do in whole year. People might not have any money left. 

2- they made a lot. Rumours are that they made as many copies as Indomitus, which is kind of crazy as AoS is growing in popularity but is still much less popular than 40k

3- The Kruleboyz marketing. It's a subfaction which is not going to get its own battletome. Nobody knows how large the faction is going to be or even what a typical 2000 point army will look like. 

4- The Kruleboyz models. This is a bit of a Marmite faction which is great for the health of the game but not great for a starter. The Hobgrotz in particular have been a bit divisive and they make up a third of the models in the game. 

5- the Stormcast models. They have been well received but they aren't AoS's number one faction which again is good for the health of the game but not good if you want to seek a starter box. 

6- people aren't ready for a new edition. We all spent a year not playing games. It might have been wise to wait a year. 

7- controversial rules changes. Coherency and unleash hell have caused a stir and not in a good way. 

8- Now that the launch day scramble has passed, there is really no rush. They made 33,000 coins. As long as those are still there I don't feel the box well sell out. I might have caved and bought it without that safety net. Ironically the bonus incentive might have made the game sell slower. 

Edit. 

I just copied this into the other thread that @Enobystarted. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Chikout

[Ogregut]

I'm not sure how anyone can other GW can say if it's sold poorly. Maybe it won't have sold as quickly as expected or maybe its on track, without GW sales data we won't know. 

It's going to sell out so I doubt GW are worried. 

I would expect if they have something on preorder for 2 weeks they want it in stock for those 2 weeks. 

When indomitus sold out in minutes they had to change their marketing strategy. 

The hype may have seemed to have died down for us but that's because we're fully invested and want to know what's coming next. 

[KingBrodd]

23 minutes ago, Chikout said:

@Enoby

I think there are several factors. 

1- AoS has had a banging six months. I don't know about anyone else but I've already spent more this year than I usually do in whole year. People might not have any money left. 

2- they made a lot. Rumours are that they made as many copies as Indomitus, which is kind of crazy as AoS is growing in popularity but is still much less popular than 40k

3- The Kruleboyz marketing. It's a subfaction which is not going to get its own battletome. Nobody knows how large the faction is going to be or even what a typical 2000 point army will look like. 

4- The Kruleboyz models. This is a bit of a Marmite faction which is great for the health of the game but not great for a starter. The Hobgrotz in particular have been a bit divisive and they make up a third of the models in the game. 

5- the Stormcast models. They have been well received but they aren't AoS's number one faction which again is good for the health of the game but not good if you want to seek a starter box. 

6- people aren't ready for a new edition. We all spent a year not playing games. It might have been wise to wait a year. 

7- controversial rules changes. Coherency and unleash hell have caused a stir and not in a good way. 

8- Now that the launch day scramble has passed, there is really no rush. They made 33,000 coins. As long as those are still there I don't feel the box well sell out. I might have caved and bought it without that safety net. Ironically the bonus incentive might have made the game sell slower. 

Edit. 

I just copied this into the other thread that @Enobystarted. 

I agree, I think a lot of players, myself included, want to see the rest of the Kruelboyz range. I'm a sucker for monsters hence why Destruction is my home and Gargants and Ogors are my comfort food. If Kruelboyz has a vast host of Monsters I may just pick up the minis themselves which could lead to a whole army at some point.

[Saturmorn Carvilli]

3 minutes ago, Chikout said:

4- The Kruleboyz models. This is a bit of a Marmite faction which is great for the health of the game but not great for a starter. The Hobgrotz in particular have been a bit divisive and they make up a third of the models in the game. 

This was precisely why I didn't pick up Dominion. The Stormcast were fine, and someday I kinda want to start an SCE army as I haven't seen one in person or even talked to someone locally that has an army of them.  I don't really sell part of boxed set I get.  It was up to the other half on whether I'd get it or not.  Kruleboyz are good-looking models, but they don't move me at all.  Plus, unlike Necrons, they look like they will take a long time for me to paint.  As someone that allowed their paint projects to get away from them that was an important factor.

9 minutes ago, Chikout said:

6- people aren't ready for a new edition. We all spent a year not playing games. It might have been wise to wait a year.

I agree, but I don't think it was much of a factor.  I mean, if my area had people who wanted to stay with 2nd ed I'd probably join them.  But since there is a new edition, that's what I'll be playing even if I am not the biggest fan of the new rules right now.  Which could change after a few games.  If anything, Dominion provides a rule book practically for free given GW's model prices.  I personally felt more incentivized to get Dominion for that reason.  Now, I am not even sure I will pick up a rule book at all.  I can rely of on the free rule set already out and just memorize anything not in it.  It isn't like my opponent and I reference the core rules during a game all that much anyways.

 

All-in-all, I agree with Chikout's list. I do think the big factor is Dominion didn't have space marines where Indomitus did.  Heck, even the Necrons being crazy easy to paint made the box great for new players to get into 40k. I also think that Indomitus came out in a much better point in time as the pandemic hadn't dragged on like it has now.  I can't remember now, but I think the idea that everyone was going to have time and money to paint an army was still around.  Now, nearly a year past that, I think the truth has settled in more.  I still have tons of pandemic painting projects not done. I don't need to add more as things finally return to normal.  I am also painting much less as I am grown sick of painting with little opportunity to actually game.  On top of just painting too much as having not much else to do.  All things leading me to not want to buy more models.

[Ratboy genius]

I'd also mention that the indomitus box checked off multiple things on the community wishlist(make new xenos, baroque primaris, melee primaris) and even some faction specific ones (necrons have wanted the cryptek variations and updates to 3rd models for a while) while dominion didn't really hit any of the big ones (k boys aren't really a new destruction faction, I think people more accept d the new stormcast rather than actively asked for the change).

Gw shouldn't have expected this to sell half as well as indomitus especially since warclans and stormcast I think combined are about half.the playerbase percentage wise of space Marines. 

 

On the bright side, if this is a flop for gw, it's good news for skaven and craftworld eldar players 

 

 

[King Under the Mountain]

7 minutes ago, Ratboy genius said:

 

Gw shouldn't have expected this to sell half as well as indomitus especially since warclans and stormcast I think combined are about half.the playerbase percentage wise of space Marines. 

 

 

You are really underselling how massive Space Marines are for GW lol. 

[Ratboy genius]

Just now, King Under the Mountain said:

You are really underselling how massive Space Marines are for GW lol. 

well, percentage of their respective games. Space marines are about... 44% ?
44% of 40k is probably easily 2x if not more of 44% of aos

[Vasshpit]

Marines also get 44% of the attention. Its a aelf fullfilling prophecy. I reall think that if any other faction was giving the same attention they'd be just as popular. 

But this is an AoS forum. You space nerds can get to stepping!! 😄

Edited June 27, 2021 by Vasshpit

[Chikout]

4 minutes ago, Ratboy genius said:

 

Gw shouldn't have expected this to sell half as well as indomitus especially since warclans and stormcast I think combined are about half.the playerbase percentage wise of space Marines

 

 

I think the gap is bigger than that. There was a rumour a while ago that the space marine tactical squad sold more than the entire fantasy range combined. Now it's much closer than that but if I had to guess, I say that 40k sells three or four times as much as AoS and when it comes to individual factions I would not be remotely surprised if GW announced that marines sell 10 times as much as any AoS faction. 

 

All that said, I'm  glad GW made a lot. If it accidentally becomes a range item in weird reverse of Cursed city, is that so bad?

[Ratboy genius]

9 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

Marines also get 44% of the attention. Its a aelf fullfilling prophecy. I reall think that if any other faction was giving the same aytention they'd be just as popular. 

But this is an AoS thread. You space nerds can get to stepping!! 😄

What faction is today for the 3rd preview? I wonder if they can use all out attack. I'm not sure. GW please help!

Edit: Uh oh guys, whitefang reacted to my post, that means KO can't. Sorry dwarf friends!

Edited June 27, 2021 by Ratboy genius
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[Ogregut]

15 minutes ago, Ratboy genius said:

What faction is today for the 3rd preview? I wonder if they can use all out attack. I'm not sure. GW please help!

Edit: Uh oh guys, whitefang reacted to my post, that means KO can't. Sorry dwarf friends!

I've been wondering the same!! 

I've a feeling unleash hell will feature today as well leading to a whole lot of new social media whining how overpowered it is! 

[Noserenda]

There was a point a (long) while back where Marines outsold all of Warhammer and recently they have also been the Powergamers choice army which means even more, plus the Indomnitus Primaris were the watershed for a lot of hobbit marine stans to buy into Primaris and the Necrons were an awesome range revamp, its very much a perfect storm i think? 

In contrast the Kruleboyz are verrrry marmite and different to existing Orcs and the Stormcast, despite steadily improving over the years still summon up some complicated feelings as the posterboys and entire focus of AoS during its extremely turbulent birth, hell, they are conceptually right up my alley these days and making/painting them still feels bad.

[Clan's Cynic]

2 hours ago, HollowHills said:

The owner of my lgs told me that dominion has sold badly for GW and they aren't doing any kind of second run now. He said he sold more than he expected but will have copies in stock for awhile, compared to Indomitus which sold out within minutes. 

Obviously AoS is less popular than 40k, but I think it's also fair to say that the percentage of aps players who play stormcast is much less than the percentage of 40k players who play space marine variants.

I wonder how much the Horus Heresy leaks hurt the hype. I imagine there were a lot of "Hmm, do I want to jump on the AoS train?" 40k players who saw another, presumably very expensive (because Spartan) boxset of plastic, rescaled Marines and thought they'd hold off for that, especially if they were going to start new forces for it now it's confirmed to not be a dead game.

Edited June 27, 2021 by Clan's Cynic

[Lengthster]

23 minutes ago, Ratboy genius said:

What faction is today for the 3rd preview? I wonder if they can use all out attack. I'm not sure. GW please help!

 

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

Every single reveal is "this unit is slightly more resilient/deadly, which makes it the new stand-out" except literally every unit in the game is equally more resilient/deadly with those. So they're not standing out any more. Same thing with Rally. Every unit can now get models back. So it's not special that any given unit can do it using Rally. Now if they were remarking on how base size rules changed one unit versus another, maybe. 

 

[JustAsPlanned]

On the bright side, at least there’s only 5 more days worth of terrible faction focus articles until we get back to actual content. Woo!

[Twisted Firaun]

4 minutes ago, Lengthster said:

 

A Jimmy Neutron meme? I haven’t seen one of those since Cartoon Network ran Toonami on weekdays.