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Every single reveal is "this unit is slightly more resilient/deadly, which makes it the new stand-out" except literally every unit in the game is equally more resilient/deadly with those. So they're not standing out any more. Same thing with Rally. Every unit can now get models back. So it's not special that any given unit can do it using Rally. Now if they were remarking on how base size rules changed one unit versus another, maybe.

Coherency rules also made our bad battleline Thralls literally unplayable. 1" attacks on a 32" base and keeping all models w/in 1" of 2 other units screws our second rank "stagger" significantly! I sincerely hope they get 2" range in the next battletome!

What about an Ossiarch Kavalos list? It's not the strongest thing in the world, but a Kavalos Lance or two with some support characters and/or maybe some trebuchets can be quite effective.

Adds CHAOS and CHAOS MORTAL tags, removes ORDER tags?

Has anyone seen a CAD price floated? I know just running the conversion rate isn't always accurate.

The image was even from the shot of the lineup of the protagonists. It's definitely the same.

Would be really interested to know what their carts are!

We can close this thread tbh nothing can beat this

Blackstone Fortress. Too bad the expansions I wanted are out-of-print though! 3 Underworlds starter sets (giving me 3 boards, 6 teams) 1 last Underworlds warband (Grymwatch, to be precise).

Malerion has changed so much, he could have become animalistic and growl-y in his new form?

Come on guys I can't be the only one who can't keep my eyes off of the Keeper of Secret's alluring androgyny (also way sexier than the hyper-feminized off-brand knock-offs, fite me). Honourable mention to Katakros though. Literally chiselled statue-of-david sexiness combined with prominent "package" is a win.

No it's Raging Heroes. New pirate line. Not sure they're vampires though, seems just general Fantasy Pirates?

Aye, slapping some sort of shield and spear or sword on them would make them some decent Mortek Guard. As people noted above, there are some solid options for other minis; harvester, stalker. Szarekh when he comes out can be modified to be Katakros. Cryptek for Boneshaper. Lord for Soulreaper. That's 3 HQ, a whole pile of infantry, and two different elite options; enough to build an army. If you're VERY creative you could maybe build cavalry or a Crawler out of Necron bits too.

One note: from the Shining Company rule, one would think that the best way to do this would be two straight rows, but then you can't take units off the edges: I think a cloud formation is safest. Then you can take a unit off the edge, and its neighbours are all still touching 2+ other models. For other armies, abilities that let YOU pick the model to remove are more valuable now.

If it's a battallion, that's the added points cost for the battalion. That is to say, you pay points for the extra rules the battalion gives you (as well as the ability to take an extra artefact and have only one drop) on top of the cost for the units that constitute it.

But is there stuff with tags and mechanics built for it that never becomes models? There's certainly stuff in the fiction that never gets models, but is there stuff that has a slot in the gameplay specifically and explicitly left open for it that has gotten completely dropped?

A massive traditional sling (as opposed to a slingshot) that slings entire boulders would work because it could easily have a dual build with a javelin: both weapons would share a body and a stance, all they'd have to model is an alternative hand and the weapon itself!

they look good!

Yeah, as soon as dice have different effects, they stop being rolled together. Treat it as if those attacks had been from a completely different weapon.

It was gravbikes and an updated Land Speeder-like model.

Ideally they would come out with a line of Circle-to-square adaptable bases, that simply squares the edges of the appropriately sized bases. That or bases like ASOIAF uses, same idea but for whole units.

This'll be a very cool army once it's all finished! Very unique!

The idea of having hte dual kit of the Catapult be some sort of fighting platform is really intriguing! A monster with that design (like a long caterpillar with humanoid looking legs) would be some real good horror stuff!

Right, I forgot about the "fight the dudes one at a time" thing. Which to be honest is still pretty cool, and unique so.

I think a lot of the issues with the line will be fixed by more inspired paint jobs than GW's. I think their stock paint job really highlights the weaknesses of the line, and doesn't show off it's strengths. Hopefully they have an alternative more creative take, where they give some of the more creative team members the kits and say "go wild with this." As a side note, I'm almost wondering whether the Mortarch doesn't actually have that base on the battlefield. Perhaps those ARE different hero units, and it comes as one giant box that makes a whole command line, similar to the Cauldron of Blood miniature. Forge World has experimented with having swappable battle and diorama bases, could this be a GW model taking that on?