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That's enough folks, we've another thread specifically for discussing the discontinued lines which the Mods are deliberately being more tolerant about people expressing their concerns than we would normally.  I'm reading too many salty, negative comments in this thread - please stop or we'll start issuing warning points.

Back to rumours and related discussion.

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4 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

We're not in the '90's or early 2000's anymore, and fantasy is no longer the choice between ugly plastics for D&D or GW alone.

Then I'm pretty irritated why you compare them to these two lines to be honest. I have those too and the style of those minis is VERY 90's. No, that's nothing bad, I believe to see a lot of miniatures from GW at the moment that blend current technological possibilities with 90's flair, but neither lines can keep up with the complexity of model structure GW offers.

And that is another reason why I believe the older range is dying - they are not on par anymore with the companys indicated product quality. Though what most minis from GW lack currently, is the possibility of indivualisation, even though it would be possible. THAT is the one advantage other plastic lines have, for example the Oathmark line.

On the recent previews the Lizardmenteam for BB has the same problem.

 

EDIT: sorry @RuneBrush, read that after the post, but I'm looking at the announcementas of the recent minis with the mentioned things too.

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It's strange that GW still hasn't previewed CoS o Orruks. Or maybe it's not if they can spam 3 articles about space marines every day (which were announced AFTER AoS battletomes). Sigh... 

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2 minutes ago, Aryann said:

It's strange that GW still hasn't previewed CoS o Orruks. Or maybe it's not if they can spam 3 articles about space marines every day (which were announced AFTER AoS battletomes). Sigh... 

You do recall the two weeks pre order for Warcry and the week after that right? We'd only just had those releases and then it swapped over to 40K and then after these marines it will likely swap back to AoS once again. 

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3 minutes ago, Overread said:

You do recall the two weeks pre order for Warcry and the week after that right? We'd only just had those releases and then it swapped over to 40K and then after these marines it will likely swap back to AoS once again. 

Yeah, I'd just rather they kept chronological order. This way I have the impression as if those AoS premieres were least important. 

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Looks like Beastgrave is up next based on the new Hammerhal Herald. Gives me time to paint up my Warcry and Gloomspites though it would really be nice to know more about COS at this point.

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4 minutes ago, Aryann said:

Yeah, I'd just rather they kept chronological order. This way I have the impression as if those AoS premieres were least important. 

The AoS previews were at the AoS open day. They were hardly going to show the Space Marine stuff there, even if it was going to be released first chronologically. That has no bearing on the ‘importance’ of the release. 

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12 minutes ago, Aryann said:

Yeah, I'd just rather they kept chronological order. This way I have the impression as if those AoS premieres were least important. 

The new 40k stuff was teased a while ago in a joke article about primaris lieutenants where they had all the new stuff blurry in the background. So technically yeah they've been teasing the 40k stuff first, we'll probably get the new tome previews once the marine stuff has run it's course.

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Do we still do predictions in the Rumour thread?

For Ogors, here is the factor about the resin kits for me - I can't off the top of my head think of a single unit that has been squatted* AFTER being included in an A0S battletome.  Am I missing any? 

  • We've seen squattings of units that didn't make the cut for the old GA books.  Example: Bretonnia
  • We've seen, or anticipate seeing, squattings of units when some GA factions get their own battletomes.  Example: all the Cities of Sigmar cuts we are anticipating based on models going out of stock
  • We've seen some squattings as GA units don't make the cut in a later General's Handbook.  Example:  Gitmob

But I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) we've ever seen any units get squatted going from one edition of a battletome to the next (for those factions who have had more than one).  So, if GW were to drop the resin models from the BCR half of Ogors going in to a combined Ogor battletome, that would set a new precedent.  Not that they wouldn't or couldn't do it of course, just that it would be something that (to my recollection) they haven't done before.

Therefore, I predict that a combined Ogor battletome would include every unit from the BCR battletome.  It is only in the Gutbuster/Firebelly/Maneater factions that we might see some cuts.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

 

 

*Squat is a relative term in AoS - it really only applies to Matched Play.  Anything with a warscroll, no matter how legacy, can still find a place in the other two ways to play of course.

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Can't imagine sth more boring than 2 weeks of space marines previews. Seriously, the last faction I'd like to play in 40k. Why? Because of that obtrusive marketing with them. Stormcasts are barely behind. 

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1 hour ago, Forrix said:

Looks like Beastgrave is up next based on the new Hammerhal Herald. Gives me time to paint up my Warcry and Gloomspites though it would really be nice to know more about COS at this point.

Beastgrave is most likely coming out together with the related book the 21st of September, I hope we will have at least one battletome before then.

@amysrevenge your logic makes sense and should be true this time. We do know at some point some miniatures will be out of production battletome or not, the question is if they will replace the model with a newer or just let it go...

To better clarify we have few examples: the Legion Black Coach is not sold anymore and has a newer model much better, despite so it’s still in the GHB19...

Harpies were part of Monsters of Chaos, they were not sold anymore since some time and eventually disappeared by the GHB19 but not all Monsters of Chaos that were not included in Beasts of Chaos did...

And now we have new Furies that belong to Slaves to Darkness with old Furies belonging to Daemons of Chaos...

So definitely we can’t predict based on previous behaviour :)

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7 hours ago, JPjr said:

I'm genuinely amazed Raging Hormones models are more expensive than GWs. You'd think if all you had to do was wait for the market leader to come up with the ideas and then remove some clothes and enlarge the ****** on the female sculpts your costs would be much reduced and you could pass that on to the customer, I guess it all comes down to economies of scale in the end.

I personally love their models.  I have a pretty cool Idoneth force using their Aelf girls on Stingrays as Akhelian Guard and their girls on weird wyrm things as Mossar Guards combined with the GW Turtle, Shark, and Akhelian king.  I also use two of their witchy Lust Aelves as Tide Casters.  It all looks pretty awesome together and I am really happy with the army but I obviously cannot play it in a GW store.  My IDK hail from Ghur and have tamed even crazier beasts than eels for their riders which fits the lore hinted at in the book with the multitudes of dangerous creatures in the Mortal Realms.

I got in on their Kickstarters and you get a ton of stuff with stretch goals and they are under retail at that point so the money goes a lot farther but yeah, they are pretty expensive.   Seeing their behind the scenes stuff though, they do hire top talent for Zbrush sculpts and their relationship with their foundry was very interesting to see in their KS updates.

Supposedly they have their own game coming (sounds cinematic and very Warcry-ish).  Not sure it will be any good or anyone around my area will play it but in the meantime I do enjoy painting their models as alternate options for GW armies.

I did another Kickstarter a while back from GT Studios and got an all female Ork warband that is really awesome as well.  Yes they have big ****** but they are covered up with armor and clothing for the most part.  I found them really fun to paint and have a great back story for them.  I was hoping Warcry might have a bit more flexibility with customization and heroes so they might have to do a Path to Glory campaign instead.

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2 hours ago, JonnyTheKing said:

The terrain piece for ogors is going to be a cauldron filled with meat, mark my words

Petition to have them name this terrain's rule "Meat your Maker"

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4 hours ago, amysrevenge said:

Therefore, I predict that a combined Ogor battletome would include every unit from the BCR battletome.  It is only in the Gutbuster/Firebelly/Maneater factions that we might see some cuts.

I believe you are correct on past trends. If they are re-merging BCR and Gutbusters I believe that would also be a first however (Re-merging a tome with GA units not in the tome). Since it is uncharted territory I worry for my metal cats, hunter, and yetis.

I could see them getting the axe rather than replaced with plastics if they are recombined.

Since this is a rumor thread I'd note that everything I am hearing is that merger is happening... this is not what I was expecting a year ago.

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Honestly I figured that a merging would happen. Both Gutbusters and Beastclaws share the very same visual identity and even one or two models. They are natural befellows and when we got Gloomspite and Skaven and GW were showing how they were bringing some armies back together it just made a whole lot of sense. 

Gutbusters suffers from a lot of resin whilst Beastclaws suffers from having very very few models (in fact once you take out all the variations of the main monster kit they've got VERY few actual options as an army). 

Plus they merge really well and yet GW can still give both a space to have their own subfaction focus within the book. 

 

 

Of course the same is true of most of the fragmented armies; they fit together so well because they were visually and balance wise designed together before. The only real surprise I've had is that GW merged All the Aelves, Dwarves and Humans into one faction. I had started to think Dwarves would join Humans when the Fyreslayers got their own book; however I didn't expect all the aelves to join the Free Cities. I thought we'd see the wanderers join in and then the others (light and dark) unite behind Teclis as he started to unit the Aelves against a rising Slaanesh threat (as hinted in their Battletome). 

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Beastclaw would make a great alternate play stile like Gavespawn is for Beasts. That’s my guess of how it might work in a new tome.

 

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11 minutes ago, Overread said:

I thought we'd see the wanderers join in and then the others (light and dark) unite behind Teclis as he started to unit the Aelves against a rising Slaanesh threat (as hinted in their Battletome). 

I thought the same, and they would add the nice plastics for old dark elves and high elves into this book.

I still think we will see a brothers book with light and dark subfactions. Guess if we do it will be made up of new kits? Maybe it's not the worse thing if we get a new range similar in size to IDK (Which I think is a decent size for a tome).

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10 minutes ago, svnvaldez said:

I thought the same, and they would add the nice plastics for old dark elves and high elves into this book.

I still think we will see a brothers book with light and dark subfactions. Guess if we do it will be made up of new kits? Maybe it's not the worse thing if we get a new range similar in size to IDK (Which I think is a decent size for a tome).

GW has teased and had the two new Aelf factions in the game lore for a long while now and I fully expect to see them some day. In fact I'm surprised we are getting the death faction before one of them; then again Order already has a lot of factions. The "light" aelf army could certainly fit many resculpts of once high-elf sculpts such as the dragon or dragon-armoured horse riders. 

Meanwhile the dark/draconic aelf force could certainly do well also. I do wonder if Morathi and Idoneth saved the dark elf stuff from being cut into as harshly with the removals since whilst they didn't use all of it, they likely gave enough reason for many allies purchases to be made and generating renewed interest in the dark aelves. High Elves suffered because there was no real army for them to fit into save for Stormcast who really don't need allies to work and have enough interesting toys all of their own. 

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Well, a merge would be great for my Ghostclaws, but in general I am still quite carefull about that whole merge thing. We didn´t had any signs from gw that this could happen. The Pictures/Trailer do not include BCR´s, they are still separated on the shop and have, if I remember correctly, different introductions on the AoS-Page.

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Yeah but don't forget most of the Aelves and free cities stuff remained on its own tabs until GW announced Free Peoples. Right now GW hasn't "announced" the Ogres battletome, only that there's a new model and the Feast of Bones (what ever that turns out to be) 

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4 hours ago, JonnyTheKing said:

The terrain piece for ogors is going to be a cauldron filled with meat, mark my words

I'd be rather tickled if it was some kind of sarlacc pit looking thing.

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GW is not releasing the preview for the remaining first founding chapters this week, at least up to Wednesday.....I am afraid we have to wait till September to see any further preview on AOS. Probably we will have just short independent stories in these weeks.

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5 hours ago, Charleston said:

Well, a merge would be great for my Ghostclaws, but in general I am still quite carefull about that whole merge thing. We didn´t had any signs from gw that this could happen. The Pictures/Trailer do not include BCR´s, they are still separated on the shop and have, if I remember correctly, different introductions on the AoS-Page.

It's a solid point. 

Another thing I see no one mentioning is that the aleguzzler gargent is likely going to have a home in the mawtribe books. I quite hope it'll be the case. As I love the old sky titan lore from the ogors, and wouldnt mind seeing that adapted to the mortal realms with a bit of lore. Giants would be a neat centre piece model for us.

 

Either way I'm pumped. I'd prefer bcr to have everything but the mounted boys retired, with the BCR flavor being a facet of the mawtribes lore. So if you want to build your army, that theme still exists.

 

But if BCR remains there own thing? Cool. Just dont make me buy yeti lol. I'll settle for a gargants, grots and big sky cannons. Still tons to play with, and the silhouette is diverse enough with grots and gargants. With man eaters getting the axe (as well as firebelly. Since it has weird overlap with the butcher. Personally would prefer a new sculpt and combine the aesthetic if they got that way)

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The Gargant is already in the Gloomspite not that would stop them to put it elsewhere since he is already a multi-faction Chaos model...

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