GeneralZero Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Eltharion is a steal at 220: you can even put him as ally in other armies (don't ask me: I/we don't know yet the potential ally armies), Put him with your battlelines, making your front line super powered. He doesn't need any other CA or rules to be efficient. For example (if it is possible), just put him with few stormcast and you have a cheap central heavy hammer. As a bonus, it will be cheap in £$€ because it is only a tiny single (empty!!! lol) char with bigger base. Just for this, I'll put him with my stormy boyz 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 220 Points? 😆😆😆😆😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charleston Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Aos Unit Costs are a meme on it´s own so I don´t wonder about Lumineth to be bonkers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 hour ago, JackStreicher said: edit: Imo this guy will be about as strong if not stronger than an Eidolon of Mathlann, Aspect of the Storm. So he should be ~ 280-300 pts Or... maybe instead we can just discount the Eidolon 😉 But I do like that each Aelven army has some kind of avatar like figure: Eidolon, Eltharion, Durthu, Avatar of Khaine and hopefully something crazy for Malerion when it comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthaunt Noob Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 The ridiculously low points of Eltharion (especially since we haven't even seen all his rules yet), makes me wonder if GW is gonna start creeping points of everything down to sell more models in a 2000 point army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Nighthaunt Noob said: The ridiculously low points of Eltharion (especially since we haven't even seen all his rules yet), makes me wonder if GW is gonna start creeping points of everything down to sell more models in a 2000 point army. Point costs per model are hard because sometimes a model can appear cheap, but fits into an otherwise expensive army. As for point costs going down I fully expect that to start to happen in AoS. However I dont' expect it to happen soon. There's still too many armies like Flesheaters and Daughters of Khine and Fyreslayers (to name a few) where increasing model count is just spamming the same models. An across the board reduction I don't see happening, but I can see the next edition release* starting the process for armies one by one. It's a balancing act. Even armies like Seraphon and Skaven with huge model ranges still have a lot of legacy models in them in old sculpts and even all the way back to metal. Again there's a lot of need there to adjust things to make it work better. Stormcast are perhaps in the best shape; Slaves to Darkness are doing pretty good (better once new wearriors and knights are released individually and in their multi-part sets not just in the push-fit starter set). Knighthaunt are pretty good too and there's some others in a decent position. Over time it will steadily improve. *Which might be totally new rules or might just be further collation and refinement of 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 ARMOURED FREAKING BEARS https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/11/old-world-update-bearsgw-homepage-post-4/? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I actually don't think Eltharion is too underpriced or anything. There are simply a lot of other units that are pretty over-costed for what you get nowadays, so it's hard not to compare. *cough Dankholds *cough* Bloodwrack shrine *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Firaun Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 BEARS!!!! 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 BloodBowl is already an amazing sources for conversion but I can't wait to see what TOW will bring us in terms of possible creations for AOS ! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Firaun Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just now, HorticulusTGA said: BloodBowl is already an amazing sources for conversion but I can't wait to see what TOW will bring us in terms of possible creations for AOS ! All I know is I’m painting their armour in Chicago colors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, Neverchosen said: Or... maybe instead we can just discount the Eidolon 😉 Let‘s be realistic: that‘ll never happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytoy Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Give me that bear cavalry right now. Definitely starting a Kislev army when Old World comes out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Overread said: Point costs per model are hard because sometimes a model can appear cheap, but fits into an otherwise expensive army. As for point costs going down I fully expect that to start to happen in AoS. However I dont' expect it to happen soon. There's still too many armies like Flesheaters and Daughters of Khine and Fyreslayers (to name a few) where increasing model count is just spamming the same models. An across the board reduction I don't see happening, but I can see the next edition release* starting the process for armies one by one. It's a balancing act. Even armies like Seraphon and Skaven with huge model ranges still have a lot of legacy models in them in old sculpts and even all the way back to metal. Again there's a lot of need there to adjust things to make it work better. Stormcast are perhaps in the best shape; Slaves to Darkness are doing pretty good (better once new wearriors and knights are released individually and in their multi-part sets not just in the push-fit starter set). Knighthaunt are pretty good too and there's some others in a decent position. Over time it will steadily improve. *Which might be totally new rules or might just be further collation and refinement of 2.0 It's going to be really interesting to see the points cost of the Sons of Behemat. Wether Aleguzzler points will increase or decrease based on new Warscrolls and rules and how much a Warstomper will cost compared to a Kraken Eater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Here was me having long old Monday with work and finishing some home painting and decorating and BOOM, Armoured Kislev Polar Bear, I needed that man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soolong Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I'm going to die laughing if old world is warmaster scale. 2 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernalslayer Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Now compare the Light of Eltharion with any "Slaves to Darkness", "Blades of Khorne" or "Maggotkin of Nurgle" hero near or above his points that will also need several buffs to faction in combat. (I am sure this goes for other Chaos, Order and Destruction heroes as well, just picked those three armies from my own personal experience. I don't think the set of rules previewed for Eltharion is healthy for the game overall. Sure, tournament players will be able to crack him up and deal with him easily but in the bigger picture, people who meet up for a casual game with their favorite armies are likely going to have a one-sided game with less fun for both of the participants. For example a Khorne player with not that much experience having a meet up game with a Lumineth player with similar experience in the game, who just picked Eltharion because it is a cool miniature with cool rules. The khorne player (who likely picked khorne because they are barbarians and warriors who excel in melee combat, is likely to be massacred and feel uncomfortable facing Lumineth in the future. I have seen this happening in other instances as well, and there are many people with too little time for tournaments, who just want to have a chill game 1 or 2 times a month in their limited free time. Such one sided games usually end up leading these players to abstain from their FLGS and create home clubs for their wargaming. Not a rant here, just a little bit of worrying for the game's direction. 😊 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Templar_Lad Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Those Kislev bears laa! ****** could you imagine seeing a full TOW starter set, Kislev vs Chaos Hung or something. A set with just every single model never seen before, a brand new re-imaging of these old races. I cant wait to see what's in store. Plus not to mention all the AoS conversion potential 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Soolong said: I'm going to die laughing if old world is warmaster scale. Meanwhile I'll be working out if I really need TWO kidneys I'd love to see Warmaster return, but I don't expect it for another decade at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernalslayer Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) The bears look great, a two player set of Kislev vs Norsca would be fantastic, especially if the miniatures are the same scale, to be used in AoS too. Edited May 11, 2020 by Infernalslayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleboda Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said: BloodBowl is already an amazing sources for conversion but I can't wait to see what TOW will bring us in terms of possible creations for AOS ! I still have my fingers crossed that the game will be Epic-scaled. Sure, it would mean no cross pollination of games, but wouldn't 1/4 inch tall bears be awesome? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Sleboda said: I still have my fingers crossed that the game will be Epic-scaled. Sure, it would mean no cross pollination of games, but wouldn't 1/4 inch tall bears be awesome? Oh so you like Epic things ? ++ @Sleboda has been thrown into the Shyish Nadir ++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Sleboda said: I still have my fingers crossed that the game will be Epic-scaled. Sure, it would mean no cross pollination of games, but wouldn't 1/4 inch tall bears be awesome? Spoiler They are already out there in the world in 15mm scale from Battle Valor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Does anybody have the Lumineth VS S2D White Dwarf already? I bet S2D are either being wiped off the table completely or they lose horrendously. At least that will happen unless the Lumineth player does make bad decisions on purpose 🤣 srsly I am interested in that battle report, do we k ow when it‘ll be purchasable (digital version)? Edited May 11, 2020 by JackStreicher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 They said it will release last week of june. It's crazy there are photo leaks this early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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