Baron Klatz Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LordSolarMach said: If Chaos Dwarfs was a failure, how has any of the DLC has been successful? Underperform doesn’t have to be a legit failure, might’ve just been slightly under the line the management then, before the current reorganization, was demanding(the one full of inflated ego like threatening players they’ll pull support or “posting on our forums is a privilege”, calling SoC Premium Dlc, taking Saga title off so they could overcharge and put on pre-order DLC’s, etc) Point for point the fanbase was angry about it and the jumped up pricing regardless which caused mixed reviews(later dropping to negatives) and the first rumblings of boycotts. I’m just saying brace for sticker shock backlash when a price is finally put on TOW. Even the thickest rose-tinted nostalgia glasses will be tested then. 😄 Edited December 17, 2023 by Baron Klatz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 If the new Dawnbringers book and The Old World are to be released in January, one will be announced tonight for preorder on the 30th Dec and release on the 20th January as there is a 3 week preorder time over the Christmas and New Year period. I'm so hoping The Old World is announced properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 5 hours ago, LordSolarMach said: That makes no sense. If the Chaos Dwarfs DLC underperformed, then every DLC they've ever done has underperformed. That release had a concurrent player bump up to ~73k (from ~45k). Comparatively, Tomb Kings had a peak of ~44k (from ~18k), and Vampire Coast a peak of ~43k (from ~23k). So Chaos Dwarfs had a bigger bump while costing 50% more than those previous Campaign Packs. The main controversy was around the most recent Lord Pack (Shadows of Change), which had a price increase of 180% (ie from $12 CAD to $33.50 CAD), while offering only a touch more content (with the drop in FLC taken into account). That saw only a player bump to ~33k (from ~27k), whereas the last three Lord Packs of game two had bumps to: ~84k (from ~48k), ~67k (from ~36k), and ~75k (from ~38k). Those aren't sales numbers, but they are indicative of sales numbers. Chaos Dwarfs did well, and cost a lot. Shadows of Change did not do well, and cost a lot. Yeah, I think their apologize letter mentioned Shadows of Change as problematic. It's good that they hit a wall with their DLC policy. About many new players getting into ToW through total war. A small number probably will and for some money isn't an issue. lol, probably some paid those crazy prices on ebay. But to me, ToW is 100% aimed at those older players that are missing Warhammer. They are playing 100% the nostalgy card and lucky for us, they seem to have done a great job with it! But again all Specialist games are good ruleswise. I.e Battle companies for middle earth is a great example. I like AoS, but you never forget your first love. 😉 I am going to start from scratch with ToW (mostly 3d printed mini's, but I am waiting to print as I want to scale everything to fit with the new Bretonnian characters, as I will buy all the new mini's (TK and Bret)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShark Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Noserenda said: But if you finished the paragraph, its already happened. Even the newest game in the series launched nearly 2 years ago now, and the first part of it is as old as Age of Sigmar/End times. Whilst people are still playing it, most of the things i hear about the game recently are about scummy DLC practices? Im not saying its impossible but i dont foresee a huge number of people who played the game, got really excited about trying it on tabletop and then waited years to do that? The game wasn't available for them to try. If they were interested at the time, they'd discover it didn't exist. It does now, and I'm sure some number of those players will try it. Not an enormous number, of course. As you said, the timing isn't right. But the Old World doesn't need an enormous number of players to survive. Even a tiny percentage of Total War players, less than 1%, would be a boon to Old World. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 11:27 PM, KingBrodd said: Im going to sound like a massive pessimist but if that box costs more than £90 Ill let out a laugh so loud itll wake Behemat from death. The Tomb Kings box? I wouldn't pay more than £60 for it. Not even sure I'd pay that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 21 hours ago, Ogregut said: I'm sure there are plenty of Total War players that are also wargamers. Not 40 million of them though. I don't there are 40 million 40k customers. I'd be surprised if there are 4 million. And WHFB was significantly less popular that 40k when it was killed, so we'd need a pretty big conversion of non-wargaming TWW players to start collecting TOW for it to start paying off. And if any of those players picked up 40k or AoS, they're likely to be quite disappointed when they start putting together kits from the early 2000s. Why are the mold lines so bad? Why is so much of the detail distorted? Why don't kits go together nicely? Why does everything have huge hands? Probably doesn't help that CA kinda pissed off a lot of TWW players recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, JerekKruger said: Not 40 million of them though. I don't there are 40 million 40k customers. I'd be surprised if there are 4 million. GamesWorkshop's revenue for 2023 was nearly half a billion pounds. They have nearly 800,000 MyWarhammer accounts through their official site alone. How many Warhammer customers do you think have a MyWarhammer account? 1 in 5? 1 in 10? 1 in 100? Depending on how you describe a customer, if you were to say an individual who has purchased a GW product (at one of GW 500+ Warhammer stores or through the 6000+ trade accounts across 70+ countries) in the last 12 months then I would suggest that you would be in the 8 figure range in terms of customer base size. 22 minutes ago, JerekKruger said: The Tomb Kings box? I wouldn't pay more than £60 for it. Not even sure I'd pay that. Then you are just being silly. The product isn't for you. Move on. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, JerekKruger said: The Tomb Kings box? I wouldn't pay more than £60 for it. Not even sure I'd pay that. That's ridiculous. The dragon alone would be atleast 75+ euro. The amount of mini's you get is immense. I am also not a fan of those old sculpts, but the box itself is still easily 200 euro worth. That said I do hope for High elves that they update the spearmen/archers and for empire the knights. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Seeing you talking Nighthaunt about yesterday's Advent engine, maybe it's from a NH Warcry band ? We know the next Warcry release is Order vs Death and NH don't have a warband yet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 +++MOD HAT ON+++ Think we can all agree thats been quite a bit of Old World talk, back to Rumours!! @The Lost Sigmarite Id love to see a Nighthaunt WC Warband but Im really hoping its Ossiarch!! 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarakUrbaz Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) I dunno what a Nighthaunt is even going to do with a potion like that. They could be getting some kind of hero that's a dead alchemist (like I guess Nagash is punishing them for selling snake oil or poisoning people when they were alive) but Nighthaunt isn't exactly a faction that's asking for more foot heroes. Edited December 17, 2023 by BarakUrbaz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: +++MOD HAT ON+++ Think we can all agree thats been quite a bit of Old World talk, back to Rumours!! @The Lost Sigmarite Id love to see a Nighthaunt WC Warband but Im really hoping its Ossiarch!! I mean, perhaps, as there's lots to say about the Old World, we might give it a dedicated thread? 😉 https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/24482-warhammer-the-old-world/ 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Ogregut said: If the new Dawnbringers book and The Old World are to be released in January, one will be announced tonight for preorder on the 30th Dec and release on the 20th January as there is a 3 week preorder time over the Christmas and New Year period. I'm so hoping The Old World is announced properly. I was thinking the same. Sunday Preview – Kill Team: Salvation Stalks Into View - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com) Last week they announced "future" preorders, so maybe this week we have nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, KingBrodd said: +++MOD HAT ON+++ Think we can all agree thats been quite a bit of Old World talk, back to Rumours!! @The Lost Sigmarite Id love to see a Nighthaunt WC Warband but Im really hoping its Ossiarch!! Maybe is NH because OBR is supposed to get a hero on Dawnbringers? And we also have the roumour about LRL vs OBR on Warcry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Syf Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 13 hours ago, Noserenda said: But if you finished the paragraph, its already happened. Even the newest game in the series launched nearly 2 years ago now, and the first part of it is as old as Age of Sigmar/End times. Whilst people are still playing it, most of the things i hear about the game recently are about scummy DLC practices? Im not saying its impossible but i dont foresee a huge number of people who played the game, got really excited about trying it on tabletop and then waited years to do that? Then why is gw bothering at all to bring back a game they went to astonishing lengths to kill? They have to think there is new worthwhile profit somewhere to bring it back and warhammer total war is the only thing that has sparked interest in players old and new who would be blissfully unaware of the end times/how hard gw nuked it. For the record yes I believe it should have stayed dead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Pretty sure that there isn't a 2d Kharadron wave the next three months but what about some non-warband/underworlds new boxes for kruleboyz? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 42 minutes ago, Beliman said: Pretty sure that there isn't a 2d Kharadron wave the next three months but what about some non-warband/underworlds new boxes for kruleboyz? As much as I'd like that I feel like it's unlikely unless they try to sell us a 2nd battletome for this edition, given the destruction dawnbringers book has already come out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, Beliman said: Pretty sure that there isn't a 2d Kharadron wave the next three months but what about some non-warband/underworlds new boxes for kruleboyz? I don't think we would receive anything else until 4th appart from FEC, Dawnbringers and whatever happens at the end of the ed (new army or something else). Would be possible that the 'something else' would be more Krule? I doubt it. They received a big chunk of love in just 1 ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Last thing I want to say about that TK launch box. It's impossible for GW to make as cheap as some here a suggesting... Other GW products would look bad against it price wise. Even if most of those sculpts are ugly in our opinion. That these are very dated sculpts is not something every customers knows. That 60 pound price tag someone was saying for the max price for that TK box would get you in the same store 1 and a half box of a non battleline unit.. so 7,5 mini. Impossible to explain to the mother of little Timmy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Interesting tidbit about the Fec release. The Morbheg knights were designed by David Waeselynck while he was working from home during lockdown. That's more than 3 years between design and release. It makes you wonder what they're working on now. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 4 hours ago, BarakUrbaz said: I dunno what a Nighthaunt is even going to do with a potion like that. They could be getting some kind of hero that's a dead alchemist (like I guess Nagash is punishing them for selling snake oil or poisoning people when they were alive) but Nighthaunt isn't exactly a faction that's asking for more foot heroes. It's very clearly a strength potion for his nighthaunt buddy that can't lift his own sword! "Go on Mit Gas, you nasty good-for-nothing, you try lifting this without legs." Joey, the Executioner 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Any chance of the City Vanguard being revealed today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, Neverchosen said: Any chance of the City Vanguard being revealed today? Are we expecting an IJ one first? Maybe both released at the same time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draznak Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Horse thing : 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Draznak said: Horse thing : Aren't those horse legs looking a bit odd? Maybe Kurnothi? Edited December 17, 2023 by Ejecutor 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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