The Rumour Thread

[Grungnisson]

19 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

I have seen this kind of thing in DnD miniatures before. I personally don't think clear plastic alone sells the effect of a ghostly being very well, mostly because of the clashing art style (if you can call it that). A clear plastic model next to a hand painted one just looks unfinished, not incorporeal.

I am not sure if using clear plastic for multi part models is even a possibility. Surely glue seams would mess up the intended effect.

We'll have to wait and see what they really look like. Those couple of carefully selected end edited photos simply aren't enough to go on for now.

[EntMan]

Does this squash the rumours/concerns about GW potentially loosing the Middle Earth game and miniatures rights?

[Matrindur]

20 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Also heard them saying that the whole team working on this left and the current one has been working for quite a small time. Like 6 months only.

Well thats not a good sign

[Clan's Cynic]

36 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

What they were saying is that this is all that they have prepared/planned. If it sells well they would go with more. Also heard them saying that the whole team working on this left and the current one has been working for quite a small time. Like 6 months only.

Is this the same person claiming they worked on the rules in an afternoon, which is physically impossible? 

[Matrindur]

3 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Is this the same person claiming they worked on the rules in an afternoon, which is physically impossible? 

But what about two afternoons? 

[Ejecutor]

12 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Is this the same person claiming they worked on the rules in an afternoon, which is physically impossible? 

Yes. And it has been a good source over the years.

[Jagged Red Lines]

3 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

I wonder if we'd ever end up seeing Nighthaunt released in this way, or if it's a bit to late for that? 

Edit: ignore my idiocy

Edited November 20, 2023 by Jagged Red Lines

[Lucentia]

It says plastic right there in the headline.  But I would agree that I'm not totally convinced in the effect from the pictures shown, it would have to be a pretty different grade of transparent plastic to what you normally see to avoid looking cheap or out if place, I think.  The transparent ringbearers that they already sell don't exactly look great to my eye, though those are much older products.

[sandlemad]

50 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Yes. And it has been a good source over the years.

What’s their track record like, in terms of stuff they correctly predicted?

I’m not saying they’re wrong about everything, god knows specialist games has had stuff happen close to release before - the whole Adeptus Titanicus product line and business model shifting shortly after its first preview, the Legionis Imperialis rulebook being pulped and redone - but saying that the entire rules for TOW were written in a single afternoon sounds like an huge exaggeration at best, an outright fabrication at worst because yeah, that’s just not possible.

For comparison, Gorkamorka is considered to have been the most rushed ruleset ever done by GW. Andy Chambers wrote that in 8 weeks in a desperate hurry to have something ready for the xmas launch and production block. And like TOW, that was using an existing ruleset as a base (Necromunda) but for far fewer factions and with far less ‘stuff’.

Edited November 20, 2023 by sandlemad

[Clan's Cynic]

Speak of the devil, The Old World Combat Phase preview.

[Asbestress]

2 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

MESBG is getting new translucent plastic Army of the Dead. I wonder if we'd ever end up seeing Nighthaunt released in this way, or if it's a bit to late for that? 

Oh, these seem interesting!

Even if the joints don't look the best when just glued with no paint on, I think these will serve as really nice bases for some great paintjobs (probably mostly useful for drybrushing/extreme edge highlighting/maybe contrast to tint the blue plastic?). Really interested in seeing if these actually look decent in person/in some reviewer's hands.

[Neverchosen]

How do the LOTR buildings scale with AOS? They look so good and that set will be tempting.

[Chikout]

1 hour ago, sandlemad said:

What’s their track record like, in terms of stuff they correctly predicted?

I’m not saying they’re wrong about everything, god knows specialist games has had stuff happen close to release before - the whole Adeptus Titanicus product line and business model shifting shortly after its first preview, the Legionis Imperialis rulebook being pulped and redone - but saying that the entire rules for TOW were written in a single afternoon sounds like an huge exaggeration at best, an outright fabrication at worst because yeah, that’s just not possible.

For comparison, Gorkamorka is considered to have been the most rushed ruleset ever done by GW. Andy Chambers wrote that in 8 weeks in a desperate hurry to have something ready for the xmas launch and production block. And like TOW, that was using an existing ruleset as a base (Necromunda) but for far fewer factions and with far less ‘stuff’.

One thing is that definitely true is that one of the designers who worked on the Tomb king dragon left in April. Wrote the rules in an afternoon sounds like typical hyperbole. 

There's a really interesting interview with Rick Priestly where he said he wrote all of third edition by himself over  a Christmas break so fast turnaround of rules isn't exactly unusual at GW. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Chikout

[Tonhel]

34 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Speak of the devil, The Old World Combat Phase preview.

This is starting to look really good. No way that this was written in a single afternoon like some want us to believe. 😉

[sandlemad]

20 minutes ago, Chikout said:

One thing is that definitely true is that one of the designers who worked on the Tomb king dragon left in April. Wrote the rules in an afternoon sounds like typical hyperbole. 

Oh that’s certainly plausible. It’s a low paid job and they’re not treated amazingly by GW so you get this turnover. James Hewitt left GW either shortly before or just after the launch of Adeptus Titanicus, which he designed, so it’s also worth bearing in mind the lead in time on these things.

I think the guy who painted that Grey Knights special character said it was something like a year and a half from it leaving his desk to being released. Applies even more so to sculptors and probably rules writers.

[Vasshpit]

46 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

How do the LOTR buildings scale with AOS? They look so good and that set will be tempting.

From pics I've seen across the interwebz it's ever so slighty smaller in scale. 

Things like your small 25mm models will look fine but a stormcast or an orruk brute for example will look oversized. 

I've been on the fence myself as it's a very impressive line of terrain as I tend to like more generic terrain overall. 

[Jator]

3 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

MESBG is getting new translucent plastic Army of the Dead. I wonder if we'd ever end up seeing Nighthaunt released in this way, or if it's a bit to late for that? 

These look good enough on the photos, but I have to wonder if GW is dipping their toes on pre-painted miniatures? Not as a main product, of course (there's money on paints, after all) but like something they can use on starter sets for beginners or some boxed games.

[Jator]

4 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

 

Double post. 🤷‍♂️

Edited November 20, 2023 by Jator

[Ejecutor]

2 hours ago, sandlemad said:

What’s their track record like, in terms of stuff they correctly predicted?

I’m not saying they’re wrong about everything, god knows specialist games has had stuff happen close to release before - the whole Adeptus Titanicus product line and business model shifting shortly after its first preview, the Legionis Imperialis rulebook being pulped and redone - but saying that the entire rules for TOW were written in a single afternoon sounds like an huge exaggeration at best, an outright fabrication at worst because yeah, that’s just not possible.

For comparison, Gorkamorka is considered to have been the most rushed ruleset ever done by GW. Andy Chambers wrote that in 8 weeks in a desperate hurry to have something ready for the xmas launch and production block. And like TOW, that was using an existing ruleset as a base (Necromunda) but for far fewer factions and with far less ‘stuff’.

I don't have a record to share, but I've been asking about him in my whatsapp groups since I posted his 1 day rules. The consensus is pretty positive. Even some of the biggest spanish youtubers use what he shares as source of truth. Something you woulnd't do if it is someone that could bring you trouble.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Ejecutor

[MotherGoose]

2 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

How do the LOTR buildings scale with AOS? They look so good and that set will be tempting.

They're pretty tiny really. I've got the osgiliath terrain and it looks alright with zombies but absolutely tiny next to orcs, stormcast, even blood knights etc. The proportions just look too off

[dmorley21]

I don’t think it’s difficult to imagine the first draft of the main rules for TOW we’re written in a day. Most of it is a direct copy or a slight tweaks from WHFB of old with a different magic system.

[Ferban]

2 hours ago, Jator said:

These look good enough on the photos, but I have to wonder if GW is dipping their toes on pre-painted miniatures? Not as a main product, of course (there's money on paints, after all) but like something they can use on starter sets for beginners or some boxed games.

As someone (relatively) new to the hobby, I think the idea of pre-painted miniatures would be a net negative.  I think it would help sell some starter sets.  For sure.  But then I think it would be a barrier to the next step.  Novice painters aren't going to want to try their hand at painting minis if they are going to look like junk next to the pre-painted stuff they've already bought.  And most new painters are going to produce a few ugly minis (I know I did!).  

And I think a lot of people are scared to put paint on their minis at all at first.  And having a standard to compare it to would probably be daunting.  

Maybe if the prepainted stuff was relatively low quality (a few basecoats), then people could achieve that level easily and expand with washes, drybrushes, and other beginner friendly techniques.  But I think GW would get a lot of criticism for selling what might be considered low quality paint jobs. 

I say they keep it gray (or colored plastic maybe?) and leave the painting to the players. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Ferban
Changed word to avoid running afoul of the censor.

[DoctorPerils]

5 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

I am not a fan of clear plastic. Only on a few way too expensive pvc figurines have i seen it done well. I think it just looks cheap most of the time compared to a painted mini. Just look at most toys using clear plastic for flames or similar effects. Its a hard sell for me. But i guess i can just still use a primer and paint it, nothing lost here.

I'm pretty sure they mentioned the old (opaque) ones would still be on sale

[JerekKruger]

6 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

I am not a fan of clear plastic. Only on a few way too expensive pvc figurines have i seen it done well. I think it just looks cheap most of the time compared to a painted mini. Just look at most toys using clear plastic for flames or similar effects. Its a hard sell for me. But i guess i can just still use a primer and paint it, nothing lost here.

Same. Back in the Green Rod era of Necrons, the best paint jobs were those that painted over the green rods rather than leave then clear. It just looks too much like a toy (which, to be fair, it is, but we all like to pretend it's not 😉)

[Gitzdee]

44 minutes ago, JerekKruger said:

Same. Back in the Green Rod era of Necrons, the best paint jobs were those that painted over the green rods rather than leave then clear. It just looks too much like a toy (which, to be fair, it is, but we all like to pretend it's not 😉)

Recently also started painting my deffkopta stands black and decorated the base as normal. Actually looks a lot better imho.