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Seems like a way to keep "your guys" alive through the different major events, which are supposed to be separated by centuries.

Won't an "objective system" ignore army synergies and special rules/artefacs interactions ? Not trying to belittle your effort. I think there's merit in what you did, and a game should strive to be as balance possible. I just don't think something like an "objective point system" can be achieved. Certain "unbalance" should be assumed.

Thanks @TheWilddog,! That looks like a fun army to play. And definitely makes sense to play to the strengths of the army; I'd give this a try.

I'd had given some thought to this idea, and although it makes alot of sense competitive-wise, I'm a bit romantic when it comes to list-building and keeping the theme. Although I guess it could be converted to look more like bonespliterz... Anyway, I'd been toying with another list (just another box for stabbas and custom wardokks, still good value) that seems harder to counter, although the lack of cavalry may be a problem: Allegiance: Bonesplitterz Wurrgog Prophet (140) - General - Trait: Prophet of da Waaagh! Wardokk (100) Wardokk (100) Wardokk (100) 20 x Savage Orruk Morboys (240) 20 x Savage Orruk Morboys (240) 10 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (140) 10 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (140) 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) Kop Rukk (200) Drakkfoot Warclan (140) Chronomantic Cogs (60) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 2 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 173 Maybe dropping one unit of stabbas for another wardokk? Thoughts?

Ideally, they'd be replaced too. They're the original big, fully armoured guys, and should be as big and flashy as the Stormcast. But you know, with skulls and spikes.

Hi, guys. Indulge me on some theory crafting, if I may. I realized that my stash of miniatures includes a Wurrgog prophet, a Wardokk and what looks like a savage boss from an unknown manufacturer. Since bonesplitterz' boxes are pretty generous in miniatures (which almost made it up for the lack of an SC! box) I tried to make a functional list with a small number of boxes (4 in this case). Allegiance: Bonesplitterz Leaders Wurrgog Prophet (140) - Artefact: Ju-ju Wotnotz - Lore of the Savage Waaagh: Squiggly Curse Wardokk (100) Savage Big Boss (120) - General - Granite Choppa & Shield - Trait: Prophet of da Waaagh! - Artefact: Lucky Bone Battleline 30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (420) 10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280) 10 x Savage Boarboy Maniaks (280) Units 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) 2 x Savage Big Stabbas (100) Battalions Kunnin' Rukk (200) Endless Spells Chronomantic Cogs (60) Total: 1800 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 5 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 153 I'm clueless about how to fill up the remaining points. Maniak weirdnob? Trolls? Anyway, let me know what you think. Cheers!

I see. I never buy anything at the GW webstore, thought we might have found another repacking. Oh, well...

Looking at GW's webstore right now. Several items are "temporarily out of stock". Not only moonclan units (warboss and hoppers) but also vanilla orcs, boar chariot, and wolf riders. Make of that what you will.

Definitely. Not trying to ****** off Empire players, but I honestly think the Landsknecht look doesn't fit AoS aesthetic. But I don't think GW will openly ditch them, neither.

Yeah, and that included Gods of Order too since Chaos comprises all that can exist. But that was dropped long before AoS. I don't think they had get out of their way to say other gods don't exist, but they have ignored it for decades. Alas, the grey aspects of the Ruinous Powers have been downplayed too as time has progressed. Guess it's easier to write a story if the hope of the heroes doesn't fuel the villain and if they are not fighting the embodiments of honour and beauty. Would be interesting to keep that take, thou. What would be the "positive aspects" of the Great Horned Rat? Thrive against all odds? Dumb luck?

We will need a Skaven-Johann Appreciation Society.

Even after the culling of TK and bretonians, and the gradual dissapareance of finecast, there's no way GW can keep all the old units and keep producing (and storing!) all their cool new plastic kits (which is where the money is). In fact, the rumours that announced AoS after the End Times pointed out that this was one of the reasons behind the change: keeping a more manageable number of boxes (and mostly new). Now, I understand GW might want to save themselves the backlash of squating any more armies, but I think it would be better for everyone to put units out of production now than letting them slowly fade into oblivion. This way players will know where they stand, and no one will start collecting unknowingly a squated army. Now, I don't say they should get rid of all the Old World range. That would be a waste! And all-old minis battletomes like Bonesplitters, FEC or LoN are relatively inexpensive for them to do. Maybe one of the reasons some of the obvious ones take so much time in seeing the light (like the unified skavens battletome) is because they're not entirely sure what they want to keep and what not. Anyway, without entirely forgetting the Old, AoS should (and will) focus on the New, which is not only what brings money home, but what catches the eye of new (and old!) players.

There's beauty on a list that can be done with exactly two "start collecting!" boxes and nothing more.

Ok, guys, you know what this is about: A new endless spell has been revealed in a very teasing way, and it matches the evil dwarfs' kind of magic. This thread is not to discuss if GW is only being cruel with the pointy hats fans or we are really getting new CD, but to canalize our wishlists and fears in one thread. Personally, I would like to see: Dawi-zharr as a Destruction faction: I'm not adamant about this, but I think it would be kinda cool. IIRC, Hashut was killed during the End Times (by Gork and Mork, nonetheless), at least according to Reynolds unofficial expanded universe, so there is little point in keeping the "chaos" tag for them (I mean, besides being mutated and making deals with the slaves of darkness). Their way of life is more organized than your typical destruction faction, but their society is pretty destructive nonetheless. A stronger case can be made about they remaining in the chaos allegiance, but being destruction would add some variety to a grand allegiance that really needs it and maybe warm the heart of its players. Hobgoblins: Sure, I talk about variety above, but some more greenskin won't hurt!. Maybe this new ones would be a race created by the dawi-zharr using grot prisoners and modeled after their slaves of yore. They really are not needed, but they were one of my favourite races of the Old World, along skavens and goblins (I do have a type). What I expect: An off the charts steampunk aesthetic, and bull motifs everywhere. A safe bet, I know. What I fear: Nothing really. Bring it on!

Thanks for all the suggestions so far. As @Ragnar Alpaca said, I should probably discard the FEC. I like the fluff well enough, but I would have to paint a lot of crypt ghouls, and I really don't feel like it. As for @michu, I didn't expect to have these many points just with the IoB's skaven, good to know. Guess I should buy the GHB to properly ponder this. I'm in no hurry thou, so I'm going to keep wondering about this a bit longer. Any other tip will be appreciated, like the ones I've been given so far. Cheers!