The Rumour Thread

[Indecisive]

The paw rumour engine seems obviously like another Vykros mini. Guess there is another Cursed City expansion mini to be revealed still.

[FFJump]

5 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

The paw rumour engine seems obviously like another Vykros mini. Guess there is another Cursed City expansion mini to be revealed still.

They said in the preview article "you've seen all the new models for Soulblight Gravelords" so can't be that unless it's a Cursed City expansion that's not useable in Soulblight Gravelords for some reason, or released waaaay further down the line enough it's not considered part of this wave.
Whitefang's reaction earlier in the thread seemed to suggest it was a wolf rider paw for the new Destruction army.

[Feii]

5 minutes ago, FFJump said:

They said in the preview article "you've seen all the new models for Soulblight Gravelords" so can't be that unless it's a Cursed City expansion that's not useable in Soulblight Gravelords for some reason, or released waaaay further down the line enough it's not considered part of this wave.
Whitefang's reaction earlier in the thread seemed to suggest it was a wolf rider paw for the new Destruction army.

it would make sense. Gobla rider standing on a ruins of a city they have smashed with my KRaggy boy

[KingBrodd]

5 hours ago, cofaxest said:

Gargants and Ogors doesn't lead, they follow. 

You wot?

2 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

I feel like my beloved @KingBrodd now! I can't wait to start painting Kragnos!

I'm so happy for you mate!!

Well that was ana amazing Preview!! For the SBGL I have to say Radukar the Beasts model absolutely blew my mind!!

Kragnos...you damn beautiful lad!! The model is insanely awesome and I cannot wait to read Kragnos, I'm genuinely suprised the Siege of Excelsis is in Broken Realms!! 

My only gripe is that I hope Gordrakk does get some time to shine and isnt pushed aside in the narrative, I'm hoping for a clash of titans in the rubble of Excelsis to decide who leads Destruction. Kragnos may win so Gordrakk goes off and collects his band of Lean Orruks to make a comeback. 

[Mutton]

Kragnos is a beautiful lad and I can't wait to see the sneaky fellows who built his little totems.

[ManlyMuppet88]

Radukar is the standout for me but that "now who might be building those?" line has got me pretty excited. I am falling into the classic GW trap of getting wrapped up in one (potentially meaningless) little line of text and reading way too much into it. It's not normally something I do. I'm enjoying it. .

So much damage done with so few words, GW.

Edited May 3, 2021 by ManlyMuppet88

[Visual_Delusion]

I haven’t played Warhammer for around 20+ years. Been thinking about it recently and lured back in. Used to play Dark Elves as a kid, but I’m intrigued by this potential new Orcs/Goblins Mongol themed army. We’ll see what happens!

[Yoid]

In the video of the designers talking about the exciting things in Kragnos they didn't even mention the twins ._. *Oof*

Khorne daemons were featured in Be'Lakor storyline, even if they dosn't have faction specific rules.

Now for me the mystery is the Ghal Maraz coin and banner. Will it be AoS 3.0? Or will it be some kind of Stormcast featured in an specialist game like Warcry 2.0?

Im not really into 40k, but there are rumours of a new Daemon Codex happening soon, that may come along with some kind of Daemon sculpt, so we may see some AoS models released in the 40k days (maybe classic heralds or battlelines).

[Akylas]

6 hours ago, Blueraven84 said:

That's the terrorgheist build from the dragon kit, isn't it? I didn't know if we'd get to use that unit or if it would become FEC only.

Pretty happy with the release. Looking at the picture I'm guessing bat centaur lady's torso is out of scale with the foot vamps? That might kill some conversion ideas I had.

[Mandzak-Miniatures]

Sad that classic VC units like spirit hosts, banshee, wraith and black coach ( with vampire) are not included.

I think the big named vampire centaur is fine, but the alt build should have been a regular vampire on abyssal terror. 
Considering how big this center piece is it begs the question why the mortarch vampires aren’t that big. Honestly seems like bad design choice.

anyone wanting to argue that night haunt are their own thing, so are FEC but some of their units are in. NH and FEC are a product of GW splitting the armies. So by that logic zombies and skeletons shouldn’t be in this either and only bat things.

other thing that is odd is the injection if “kislev” vampires. Where most of the characters and vamps available are in that style where bloodknights don’t share that new aesthetic.

Replacing skeletons with a different aesthetic, heavy armor on basic infantry next to the now derpy looking grave guard. The only unifying theme is that they are skeletons in armor, but the aesthetics, motion etc are all contrasting. 

[RandyRyan]

2 hours ago, ManlyMuppet88 said:

Radukar is the standout for me but that "now who might be building those?" line has got me pretty excited. I am falling into the classic GW trap of getting wrapped up in one (potentially meaningless) little line of text and reading way too much into it. It's not normally something I do. I'm enjoying it. .

So much damage done with so few words, GW.

That's what we do here 🤣 Silent People, anyone?

[Jaskier]

So much good stuff! 

Kragnos is interesting - 18 Wounds and a 2+ save, on top of an incredible spell defence mechanic, could be pretty rough for some armies to handle. The model is cool, the face being the weakest element. Probably will pick him up for my Sons of Behemat army down the line. 

[Nighthaunt Noob]

7 hours ago, Nos said:

Dont think this holds up.

If they're not in the SGL book I would agree it's highly suspect, but they almost certainly will be. In which case they're not going to have frantically reprinted the book and added several expansions worth of lore in the space of a fortnight.

Most likely explanation for me:

Prior to pandemic CC was intended for Halloween release, with SGL to come a few months later. CC would serve as promo for new faction and a sort of narrative palette cleanser before BR kicked off.

Ulfenkarn was intended as the new Sylvania, a pivotal location within the lore going forward. I expect much of SHL still to coalesce around this. Especially with Nagashs fall, there needs to be a new locus for Death's narrative. 

CC fell foul of production issues and a hostile international shipping clinate but had to get CC released asap to recoup what it could.
 

SGL had to get released much closer to CC and BR than intended due to the delays of 2020.

This means that the lore around Ulfenkarn looks exclusively CC related as it's basically new to us,  but CC was only ever intended to introduce it as a place, not keep it in a vacuum as with Shadespire, for example.
 

It completely makes sense, for example, that Radukar the Beast is a lord in an *army* sized game, but in a skirmish simulation of 4 dudes hes just like a buff Cossack 

I'm not sure why everyone's counter argument to "this looks like a scrapped expansion" is "how did it get in the book so last second." Nothing about a world where this was a Cursed City expansion would preclude the model from also being in the army book. You yourself admitted that Cursed City and SBGL were likely supposed to have a bigger gap between them. They could have been planning that the 1st expansion with Radukar the Beast would be out already by the time the SBGL battletome released.

I will concede as I've seen commented elsewhere that the proof will be in how you assemble his miniature. If he's not push fit, he was never meant to be an expansion. Same goes for any other conspiracy expansions (like the Ven Densts or Kritza and Annika). If any of them are push fit, that's a pretty big confirmation they were supposed to be for Cursed City. If not push fit, then they definitely weren't intended for Cursed City.

[PJetski]

Given how long the lead time is on drafting, approvals, editing,  localization, printing, shipping, distribution, etc. I don't think it's possible they scrapped a Cursed City expansion and added the witch hunters to Broken Realms. The delays were sudden and unexpected, so it is unlikely there was enough time to change course for Broken Realms.

Radukar 2.0 could definitely be a scrapped expansion, though. Adding a warscroll that probably already existed into battletome and modifying the pitched battle profile page is not nearly as difficult as adding new characters to a story book.

I guess we will have more evidence once the Gravelords battletome is released. It should be easy to tell if Radukar was shoehorned into the book at the last minute.

[Marius au]

Hmm, its interesting. 

They have shown a lot of stuff, with a lot of it being good, but I don't feel that hype that's usually there.  Maybe because a lot it was expected.  The dire wolves are better than expected.

I was surprised that there isn't an equivalent to the Vykros vamps unit from Cursed City, or duellst vamps similar to the Crimson Court.    I assume that the 2 previewed vamps (the rat prince and the other with the insect looking hair/style) would be included in the book, but not sure if we received that confirmation.

It feels a little light on, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a second wave or at least something in a boxed set later.

I do like that Kroak seems to have a bigger role, as we hear a bit about the plans of the Slaan but they always seem to be something else.  Alarielle on the move is good as well.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Marius au

[KriticalKhan]

13 minutes ago, Marius au said:

Hmm, its interesting. 

They have shown a lot of stuff, with a lot of it being good, but I don't feel that hype that's usually there.  Maybe because a lot it was expected. 

The only model that wasn't leaked or reasoned to exist before hand is the vampire gilf, and there's not much to talk about there. The whole thing was just confirming what we already knew (and in the case of Soulblight, really should have known a month ago)

[Indecisive]

Thinking about it, man, I can understand the BoC unhappiness. I can't not associate BoC with Kragnos at first glance. Gordrakk just got completely thrown to the side for a new guy to waltz in as head of Destruction.
Remember Gordrakk, anyone?

[Beliman]

7 hours ago, KriticalKhan said:

Did anything say if Kragnos would get a unified-Destruction allegiance or if he'd only be an ally and we'd have to use the GA Destruction abilities to run everything together?

They said that you can play with him in "Destruccion army" or ally him like a Mega-Gargant for any "Destruccion keyword".

Imho, wait for BR:Kragnos leaks before buying anything.

[Gitzdee]

I feel like Gordrakk will still lead his own Waaagh. Kragnos reminds me of that one guy at the party to join for some good krumpin while it lasts. Next day its back to worruk.

[CarkFish]

So, I know they said we've seen all the SGL stuff ... But, I don't see how that can be true unless I'm missing something .... No terrain piece? ... No endless spells? .... Doesn't seem right to me

Edited May 4, 2021 by CarkFish
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[Gitzdee]

1 minute ago, CarkFish said:

So, I know they said we've seen all the SGL stuff ... But, I don't see how that can be true unless I'm missing something .... No terrain price? ... No endless spells? .... Doesn't seem right to me

They have to save some stuff fo get released another time i guess.

[CarkFish]

1 minute ago, Iksdee said:

They have to save some stuff fo get released another time i guess.

Yeah, which makes me wonder about timeframes ... I kinda hoped they'd be releasing soon ish

[Gitzdee]

Yeah i'm also wondering about time frames. They are releasing new stuff at a ridiculous pace at the moment. Not that i'm complaining about that haha. I was looking forward to a bit more stuff on the Destruction factions and not only Kragnos. I'm keeping my hopes up for friday at the moment. 

[Raviv]

8 minutes ago, CarkFish said:

Yeah, which makes me wonder about timeframes ... I kinda hoped they'd be releasing soon ish

The video says May, so this month.

[CarkFish]

13 minutes ago, Raviv said:

The video says May, so this month.

Then we really need to have terrain piece + endless spells this week right? .... Unless they're in the book but models follow later, they have done that before tbh (sisters of battle)