Maogrim Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Sure, but isn't speculation about implications of the rumoured phasing-out of Start Collecting boxes...pretty much discussing a rumour?! Edited November 7, 2021 by Maogrim 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 What is the likelihood of the Dragons going up next weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: What is the likelihood of the Dragons going up next weekend? 0 as they will be “arriving in December.” It’s more likely they go on a 2 week preorder just before Xmas on Dec 18th and land in January. But my money is on Dec11th preorder and landing dec18th, as this is the last GW release weekend prior to Xmas, and makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective. Edited November 7, 2021 by PrimeElectrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: What is the likelihood of the Dragons going up next weekend? Zero. It's Black Templars next weekend. Gw said so in a recent community article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: What is the likelihood of the Dragons going up next weekend? what prices or availability? I think I'm ready to buy a dragon now... a blood god flavoured one I reckons... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 22 hours ago, Neverchosen said: I feel like we are entirely on the same page here. I will post some of my silly ideas, none of them are particularly well thought out and I doubt they'd actually work in play but I tried my best to take your last point seriously and do something creative. I think that with the increased save to most Stormcast that is exactly what is needed to improve Chaos Warriors and Knights. Even if they do not get the same additional improvement to hit and wound rolls of their angelic rivals, the increased save potential will make them much more potent and make shield a more tempting option. This would also make Cultists and Marauders with their lighter armour fill a very different niche. I think that Demon Prince's should have the ability to be either Wizards or Priests with Tzeentch prince's locked to Wizards and Khorne prince's locked to Priests. Nurgle and Slaanesh will then have the ability to chose between the two options. Alternatively, each Demon Prince is both a Priest and a Wizard and Tzeentch looses the priest keyword but gains two spells and unbinds and the Khorne demon prince looses the wizard keyword but gains an additional prayer? In terms of bloat I really dislike the uselessness of our most iconic and fluffy rule. I think that Eye of the Gods is a an amazingly thematic ability and it now has hopefully found it's home in Path to Glory, so hopefully we can get a more reliable and stronger ability in it's place. If we were ever to get an updated version in matched play, I hope it would be more akin to Artefacts or Tyrant Big Names. I think 'Spawndom' could particularly move from a random punishment to a fun version of Gift of Morghur: "Having drawn the attention of the Chaos Gods Failure will result in a fate worse then death. When this model is slain replace them with a Chaos Spawn". Dark Apotheosis will now become the reward for slaying the enemy general and be a free ascension to Princehood. Demonic Legions will work like the Gaunt Summoner's summoning ability and be limited to spellcasters sacrificing their casting once per battle to summon the base demon unit of their chosen mark (still resulting in Gaunt Summoner's being better specialists at their job). The other rewards are simply more straight forward upgrades. I could see for balance reasons the Eye of the Gods being limited only to the army's general... Not sure how that would work with ravagers current rules. I am all on board the single Cultist profile train, I do think it would be neat if they took the most salient rule from each unit type so that the unit you play can somewhat reflect their playstyle in Warcry and if it allowed you to gain these additional rules by reinforcing your unit with a different Warband e.g. Iron Golems lets the unit re-roll saves and reinforcing them with Untamed Beasts allows them to run and charge. This would let them play into one of the new 3.0 reinforcement rules in a unique and interesting way that allows people to find the synergies that work for them while keeping the identity of each unit from their original game system. People have pointed out that certain synergies would be much stronger than others creating redundancies for certain warbands but I think that they all ready have this issue and at least here people are encouraged to mix and match to gain further abilities. Archaon is the big bad of AOS and so I think his extremely powerful warscroll is somewhat warranted, but I think he needs much more severe restrictions for inclusion. I saw someone suggest that god tier models should not appear outright and require some form of required action/successful incantation to be brought forth onto the field. At a minimum I think forcing Archaon to follow a similar rule to the Celestant Prime not being on the field for the initial turn or two could possibly help mitigate his utter dominance on the battlefield. I also think having Sigvald gain the Slaves to Darkness keyword, and to be joined by some of Archaon's other End Times lieutenants would be cool and let people make marked armies feel more fluid with their god specific collections. I think it would be neat if these characters forced units that can take a mark to take their chosen mark and then could issue a free command to units that share their mark. This way you can include whatever ally or pre-marked S2D unit but still feel encouraged to build to your chosen named character. But most importantly they retain their utility in their own god-specific armies. In terms of creativity I will admit that my ideas are not well fleshed out and clearly need work and balance but are already more interesting than the rules we currently have. So far I have really enjoyed the work laid out in SCE and Orruk Warclans so I am hopeful that my silly rules will get blown out of the water by the rules designed by actual employees who are paid to do this sort of thing. I do not expect such a massive overhaul but I will continue to wave the eight-point banner because cool models will always be cool models.Now Back to Rumours: If the SC rumours are true I might need to get some FEC boxes ASAP, they are my favourite death faction and a SC set with a cool bone dragon calls to me like a siren. Hear me sing Swim to me Swim to me, let me collect you Oh my heart, oh my heart Is waiting to paint you -Tim 'Neverchosen' Buckley With the way it's going I'd actually take a very different approach and roll it back to the themes of the the original Slaves to Darkness : Lost and the damned book. So there was a hierarchy of Thug / marauder / warrior / knight. Essentially there were levels of fighter with better armour than the last. I totally agree that marauders / cultists call them what you will are humans with a standard human statline, and then you just sprinkle the seasoning on them as appropriate (iron golem etc), but keyword wise they're all the same aside that. Using the above thinking we have cultist/ human ; warrior ; knight ; varanguard. - Arky. We're looking at this from the bottom up, and I think we need to relook at this from the top down. Each faction has it's figurehead and everything underneath it fits into that figurehead in some way. So we could for instance have warriors of chaos as nothing more than full plate better versions of the humans who worship chaos but have not devoted to them. In old 3rd, you had to buy your unit chaos armour, otherwise it was just heavy plate. Then we have Chaos warriors - big distinction, where perhaps they take the chosen slot and save us the pain of terrible fine cast. They are swollen with the favour of chaos and they get the true chaos infused armour which warps and twists with their mutations. And then from their ranks, the knights and varanguard come. I might re-read my old book and see if we can AoS-ify it for the narrative crowd thread... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, PrimeElectrid said: 0 as they will be “arriving in December.” It’s more likely they go on a 2 week preorder just before Xmas on Dec 18th and land in January. But my money is on Dec11th preorder and landing dec18th, as this is the last GW release weekend prior to Xmas, and makes perfect sense from a marketing perspective. I completely forgot about the December release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosskelot Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 That Nurgle bundle is an insanely good deal. Is GW okay? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maogrim Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Bosskelot said: That Nurgle bundle is an insanely good deal. Is GW okay? It really is a pretty good deal, isn't it? GW throwing a curveball right after we've accused them of bring greedy corporate blood suckers again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizons Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 hours ago, KingBrodd said: What is the likelihood of the Dragons going up next weekend? They can't! They have to wait at least another week before announcing the pre-order. I just caved in and bought Red Harvest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bosskelot said: That Nurgle bundle is an insanely good deal. Is GW okay? I expect they're imitating what might've planned to put in this year's Battleforces? Edited November 7, 2021 by Clan's Cynic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricCircle Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I've been skeptical of the rumour that there isn't going to be a battleforce, but seeing that bundle... Yeah, that really does look like a way to do battleforces without a) printing more packaging, and b) selling it through 3rd party stores. I'll be interested to see whether any more bundles pop up in the coming days. A few other factions lend themselves to this style, having multiple start collectings which could be thrown together at a discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 What is the nurgle deal? I cant see anything on the gw store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Iksdee said: What is the nurgle deal? I cant see anything on the gw store. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/servants-of-the-plague-god-2021 I think this is what people are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAsPlanned Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/07/the-sunday-preview-is-back-in-black-this-week-with-the-second-wave-of-black-templars/ More Templars, no shock there. However, NEW CITIES RULES IN THE WHITE DWARF!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, JustAsPlanned said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/07/the-sunday-preview-is-back-in-black-this-week-with-the-second-wave-of-black-templars/ More Templars, no shock there. However, NEW CITIES RULES IN THE WHITE DWARF!!!! I guess this means they Will not get new battletome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 New model on Monday as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hoseman said: I guess this means they Will not get new battletome I know it's an assumption that this rules update means a battletome will be a while off, but at least for me it's enough to feel secure building a list based on the current rules. If they stay up to date for at least a year, that's enough for me to probably not get buyer's remorse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizons Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: I know it's an assumption that this rules update means a battletome will be a while off, but at least for me it's enough to feel secure building a list based on the current rules. If they stay up to date for at least a year, that's enough for me to probably not get buyer's remorse. If it takes longer for a new Cities book I'd feel pretty happy. Book still feels like it has legs and although there are some questionnable pts, 180 pts for Sisters vs. 160 for Drakes and they gutted Loose until the last. I do feel if the book does get updated we may lose some units/cities. I don't see them keeping all 11 subfactions. I am curious what changes they could possibly add in the White Dwarf. Also haven't had the chance to play Krondys in Hallowheart! Edited November 7, 2021 by Horizons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EntMan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, JustAsPlanned said: However, NEW CITIES RULES IN THE WHITE DWARF!!!! How does this work? Is this White Dwarf the only place to get the new rules? Are these rules updates usually available anywhere else official once the magazine is out of print? Edited November 7, 2021 by EntMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, EntMan said: How does this work? Is this White Dwarf the only place to get the new rules? Are these rules updates usually available anywhere else official once the magazine is out of print? yours for a warhammer+ subscription I'd imagine. Edited November 7, 2021 by Kaleb Daark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Fingers crossed for New Model Monday to be for AOS or AOS aligned!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 hours ago, EntMan said: How does this work? Is this White Dwarf the only place to get the new rules? Are these rules updates usually available anywhere else official once the magazine is out of print? They will be in the vault on warhammer+ in a few month I'll imagine. They used to do a annual book compiling all the rule articles from the previous years WD and we might see that again as they've started rules in WD again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurrilino Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 hours ago, EntMan said: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/servants-of-the-plague-god-2021 I think this is what people are talking about. I am not sure if this is a real thing or not. This deal doesn't exist anywhere else but GB. You can buy the starter boxes independently but not combined at all. I checked USA and Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Kurrilino said: I am not sure if this is a real thing or not. This deal doesn't exist anywhere else but GB. You can buy the starter boxes independently but not combined at all. I checked USA and Canada I have been checking repeatedly in hopes of getting some nurglings 😅 Still hoping for the Battleforces but I am inclined to believe the current rumours that we are going to get these online deals instead. It would be neat if they had a different one per region. Edited November 8, 2021 by Neverchosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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