The Rumour Thread

[The Red King]

7 minutes ago, Fellman said:

Comand points not Diceplin points looks like ther is changes coming to the boonreper

I don't have enough faith in GW to say with certainty that that isn't down to them forgetting or just not changing the names on the tokens.

But I'm probably just bitter because my beasts didn't get tokens or dice.

[Vasshpit]

3 hours ago, cyrus said:

Warcry boxes are quarterly so Nightmarequest is due in May.

I really hope Geedubs isnt going to swindle us when they stated something for each grand alliance and we get some destro lovings. 

[Ogregut]

2 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

I really hope Geedubs isnt going to swindle us when they stated something for each grand alliance and we get some destro lovings. 

They didn't say something for each grand alliance, just warbands wouldn't be just for chaos. 

[Vasshpit]

@Ogregut I cant find it but iirc it was stated early on that each alliance would receive something. 🤔 I may be wrong. 

Meh. 

[Ogregut]

2 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

@Ogregut I cant find it but iirc it was stated early on that each alliance would receive something. 🤔 I may be wrong. 

Meh. 

I found the article with the roadmap for warcry, doesn't say every alliance. 

It would make sense to give each one something, I'll love to see a new destruction warband. 

I'm hoping there is a stand alone warband like thd legonairies from last season. 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/17/warcry-the-future-is-bright-in-the-darkness-of-the-gnarlwood/

[RileyArlic]

11 hours ago, Nezzhil said:

List updated!. Horus Heresy is becoming a problem with a lot of delayed content  

  Reveal hidden contents

Necromunda
Outlander Beastmaster Millisaurs

Age of Sigmar
Ossiarch + Hero + Cards? + Dices?
Soulbligh + Hero + Cards? + Dices?
Seraphon Battletome - Slann, Saurus, Skink riders, Astrolith, Salamander and much more
Seraphon Army Box
Cities Battletome + Humies
Mistery book Summer
Mistery book Autumn
Generals Handbook 2023 S1

Warcry
Nightmare's Quest - FeC vs SCE
Pyramid kit
Underworlds meets Warcry starter Soulblight vs SCE

Underworlds
Wyrd Tzeentch vs SCE

Horus Heresy
Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer
Contempor bodies
Despoilers upgrade kit
Daemon Assassin
Sicaran Venator
The F* Vindicator
Campaign book
Legion Arquitor with Spicula
Legion Arquitor with Mortar
Glaive with Volkite carronade
Fellblade with Accelerator Cannon
Falchion with Volcano Cannon
Mastodon
Javelin
Damocles Command Rhino

Warhammer 40k
World Eaters Combat Patrol
Primaris Lieutenant
Black Library Sargeant Astra Militarum
Dante
Lion the Lion
NEW EDITION
Terminators
Gants

 Kill Team 
Votann vs Beastmen

LotR

Adeptus Titanicus
New weapons

Blood Bowl
Puggy and Cindy
Skinks duo
Withergrasp

Good stuff. A lot of the Heresy stuff is likely to be released in big chunks.

For example, everything here is just retooled resin, and likely to be released in one big chunk:

"Legion Arquitor with Spicula
Legion Arquitor with Mortar
Glaive with Volkite carronade
Fellblade with Accelerator Cannon
Falchion with Volcano Cannon
Mastodon
Javelin
Damocles Command Rhino"

So that'll take care of half that list, and hopefully the rest will be right behind.

But even with all of that, we still need plastic assault marines. Seems like the well for updated tanks and things is drying up...

[Beliman]

37 minutes ago, RileyArlic said:

But even with all of that, we still need plastic assault marines.

Do you know if the upgrade kit for assault marines is going to be resin "only"?

[Nezzhil]

2 minutes ago, Beliman said:

Do you know if the upgrade kit for assault marines is going to be resin "only"?

It is a new resin upgrade kit

[KingBrodd]

9 hours ago, Vasshpit said:

I really hope Geedubs isnt going to swindle us when they stated something for each grand alliance and we get some destro lovings. 

I agree. You cant have the setting bw in Ghur, during Era of the Beast and not do a Destruction Warband. But lile @Ogregut stated we could get a Legionaires situation. Last season there were 10 Warbands and Bloodhunt brings us up to 9 leaving one more seperate Warband like the Legionaires!!

[petitionercity]

15 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

 

I truly fear for the Heresy campaign books if they're this level of dog toffee.

Given they are by very different teams, I think it's worth rethinking that assertion  

More so, heresy is led by one of its longest standing contributors (Hoare), includes one of the FFG rpg's most prolific authors (Barnes), and a host of other hobby weirdos we all love. A better thing to compare with would be the Aranthian Succession or the House of books if you want recent FW/SG products - or indeed any of the excellent AT and AI books 

Edited April 3, 2023 by petitionercity

[Kaleb Daark]

12 minutes ago, petitionercity said:

Given they are by very different teams, I think it's worth rethinking that assertion  

More so, heresy is led by one of its longest standing contributors (Hoare), includes one of the FFG rpg's most prolific authors (Barnes), and a host of other hobby weirdos we all love. A better thing to compare with would be the Aranthian Succession or the House of books if you want recent FW/SG products - or indeed any of the excellent AT and AI books 

nope, sorry but the new battle tomes are rubbish where content is concerned.

Ok, I'll set the bar lower... an 8th ed warhammer fantasy army book, not even 5th ed, which were still rich in stories and lore.

Nope... still worse than that. All we get now is a timeline, a quick dirty synopsis and paragraph unit entries and then to the rules.  Not good enough for the money that's being charged.  

[petitionercity]

10 minutes ago, Kaleb Daark said:

nope, sorry but the new battle tomes are rubbish where content is concerned.

Ok, I'll set the bar lower... an 8th ed warhammer fantasy army book, not even 5th ed, which were still rich in stories and lore.

Nope... still worse than that. All we get now is a timeline, a quick dirty synopsis and paragraph unit entries and then to the rules.  Not good enough for the money that's being charged.  

Yeah, I am not commenting on the AoS books; you made a cheap dig at new heresy, which was both misinformed and misinforming. So I corrected you

To repeat, the heresy team is led by Andy Hoare, who I'm sure you know (since you worship the black books) co wrote Books 2 and 3, and wrote among others IA 13 and IA 2 second edition (as well as brilliant old 40k things like codex witch Hunters and codex kroot from chapter approved), and was a lead writer on Rogue Trader by FFG (alongside Owen Barnes, a lead on dark heresy, who he brought into specialist games). He was one of the old hands of FW in the "Bligh era", in that he is perhaps unfairly eclipsed (alongside French) by Bligh.

Hoare's portfolio expanded to include managing heresy in 2019, following the success of SG, which likely was the best decision for the property given his experience in the first edition, his closeness to other key people in heresy (eg John French) and other deep dive pieces of GW IP. Plastic heresy is presumably his baby, alongside Mark Bedford as the head mini designer for FW, and we are lucky they are running it.

If you want to see what the heresy team (ie the specialist games team) have done, check out Titanicus's campaign books (for example the wonder Crucible of Iron one), or the lore in the necromunda books I mentioned above.

Edited April 3, 2023 by petitionercity

[Gitzdee]

2 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I agree. You cant have the setting bw in Ghur, during Era of the Beast and not do a Destruction Warband. But lile @Ogregut stated we could get a Legionaires situation. Last season there were 10 Warbands and Bloodhunt brings us up to 9 leaving one more seperate Warband like the Legionaires!!

This give me a little bit of hope again. Im going to cry if we are in my favourite setting for my favourite system and not get anything for destruction in the era of the beast.

[Beliman]

2 hours ago, petitionercity said:

Yeah, I am not commenting on the AoS books; you made a cheap dig at new heresy, which was both misinformed and misinforming. So I corrected you

To repeat, the heresy team is led by Andy Hoare, who I'm sure you know (since you worship the black books) co wrote Books 2 and 3, and wrote among others IA 13 and IA 2 second edition (as well as brilliant old 40k things like codex witch Hunters and codex kroot from chapter approved), and was a lead writer on Rogue Trader by FFG (alongside Owen Barnes, a lead on dark heresy, who he brought into specialist games). He was one of the old hands of FW in the "Bligh era", in that he is perhaps unfairly eclipsed (alongside French) by Bligh.

Hoare's portfolio expanded to include managing heresy in 2019, following the success of SG, which likely was the best decision for the property given his experience in the first edition, his closeness to other key people in heresy (eg John French) and other deep dive pieces of GW IP. Plastic heresy is presumably his baby, alongside Mark Bedford as the head mini designer for FW, and we are lucky they are running it.

If you want to see what the heresy team (ie the specialist games team) have done, check out Titanicus's campaign books (for example the wonder Crucible of Iron one), or the lore in the necromunda books I mentioned above.

I'm not in to "who is who" but I must say that I finished 2 years ago all the Black books and Tamurkhan, and now I'm reading  Imperial Armory: Badab Wars and I love it!!

I hope to see something for AoS from this dudes/ettes, their work is really fun, inspiring and really well made.

[Clan's Cynic]

Price list stolen off Dakka. Wight King on Steed isn't as wallet-busting as I feared.

[Overread]

I think its possibly because he's a one kit model whilst a few of the larger mounted models we've had have been duel kits which puts the price up.

 

That said I'm still tempted to grab one of the few remaining getting started sets for the Soulblight; if just to get the King on Steed and Black Riders. I'd consider the 20 Grimguard a bonus, esp as they are a kit I expect GW to update with something far superior at some point. 

[KingBrodd]

2 hours ago, Gitzdee said:

This give me a little bit of hope again. Im going to cry if we are in my favourite setting for my favourite system and not get anything for destruction in the era of the beast.

Mate I agree. Its literally like doing Warcry in Shyish and having no Death Warbands.

[madmac]

1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Price list stolen off Dakka. Wight King on Steed isn't as wallet-busting as I feared.

He's a surprisingly small model for being a mounted character and only a single sprue, so it's not that out there.

[JackStreicher]

I am wondering: Why is the general assumption that Destruction should get Models in the Age of the Beast?

afaik they stand for destruction and against civilization - they do not stand for beasts.

Granted, they tend to be feral in their assaults, yet quite far from beasts imo.

Beastmen would be the first that come to mind as well as bestial subfactions (Avengorii, Flesh Eaters, maybe)

[Ogregut]

8 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

I am wondering: Why is the general assumption that Destruction should get Models in the Age of the Beast?

afaik they stand for destruction and against civilization - they do not stand for beasts.

Granted, they tend to be feral in their assaults, yet quite far from beasts imo.

Beastmen would be the first that come to mind as well as bestial subfactions (Avengorii, Flesh Eaters, maybe)

I've also thought the same. Era of the Beast to me means bringing out the primal and feral instincts as well as monsters roaming the lands. 

 

[Snarff]

14 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

I am wondering: Why is the general assumption that Destruction should get Models in the Age of the Beast?

afaik they stand for destruction and against civilization - they do not stand for beasts.

Granted, they tend to be feral in their assaults, yet quite far from beasts imo.

Beastmen would be the first that come to mind as well as bestial subfactions (Avengorii, Flesh Eaters, maybe)

The focus is on Ghur, which has quite a huge destruction presence. The leadup to this edition was Gordrakk gathering the Big WAAAGH, a unification of all destruction armies. Unfortunately, he got shoved to the side and Kragnos took over. Beastclaw Raiders have all kinds of beasts. Bonesplitterz hunt huge beasts. Ironjawz ride pretty large beasts. Kruleboyz and Gloomspite have some beasts but they both got small range expansions. A lot of these factions could really use a boost to their models though, and this would be THE opportunity to provide it.

I do agree that Beasts doesn't just stand for destruction though. It would have been the perfect opportunity to expand a number of armies. Beasts of Chaos is a no-brainer. Fyreslayers and Idoneth both could've gotten beast-focused expansions as well easily. Avengorii is quite an empty subfaction that could really use some feral battleline. Flesh-eater courts seem to be getting something, but not much so far. At least Seraphon, Sylvaneth and Stormcast got something to do with animals.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Snarff

[Neverchosen]

18 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

I am wondering: Why is the general assumption that Destruction should get Models in the Age of the Beast?

afaik they stand for destruction and against civilization - they do not stand for beasts.

Granted, they tend to be feral in their assaults, yet quite far from beasts imo.

Beastmen would be the first that come to mind as well as bestial subfactions (Avengorii, Flesh Eaters, maybe)

Ghur is associated with Gorkamorka, and also the Era of the beasts kicked off with the reveal of a new Destruction God so I think that it is less the Beasts and more the setting and narrative that tie this edition so readily to destruction.

Personally my hope was for each faction to have a focus on their more bestial armies with Beasts of Chaos, Skaven, Daughters of Khaine, Seraphon, Idoneth Deepkin, Sylvaneth (Kurnoth), Ogor Mawtribes (BCR), Orruk Warclans, Soulblight Gravelords and Flesh Eater Courts getting some much needed attention this edition. 

Of that list, only Orruk Warclans, Seraphon and Sylvaneth got any big releases and Sylvaneth did not get any new Kurnoth units.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Neverchosen

[JackStreicher]

1 minute ago, Snarff said:

The focus is on Ghur, which has quite a huge destruction presence. The leadup to this edition was Gordrakk gathering the Big WAAAGH, a unification of all destruction armies. Unfortunately, he got shoved to the side and Kragnos took over. Beastclaw Raiders have all kinds of beasts. Bonesplitterz hunt huge beasts. Ironjawz ride pretty large beasts. Kruleboyz and Gloomspite have some beasts but they both got small range expansions. A lot of these factions could really use a boost to their models though, and this would be THE opportunity to provide it.

I do agree that Beasts doesn't just stand for destruction though. It would have been the perfect opportunity to expand a number of armies. Beasts of Chaos is a no-brainer. Fyreslayers and Idoneth both could've gotten beast-focused expansions as well easily. Flesh-eater courts seem to be getting something, but not much so far. At least Seraphon and Stormcast got something.

That‘s true.

However the Cities of Sigmar (Excelsis) and many others also have a big presence in Ghur. Cities for example has access to an equal (or even more) monsters (not talking about the keyword) than Destruction has.

Imo Destruction might not get anything out if the era of the Beast, and the interpretation that they would was probably wrong from the start.

[Snarff]

Just now, JackStreicher said:

That‘s true.

However the Cities of Sigmar (Excelsis) and many others also have a big presence in Ghur. Cities for example has access to an equal (or even more) monsters (not talking about the keyword) than Destruction has.

Imo Destruction might not get anything out if the era of the Beast, and the interpretation that they would was probably wrong from the start.

The problem is, THIS was the edition where Destruction made its moves. Last edition was Death. I don't see any realm that has destruction posed to get this much attention. Chamon? Nah. Aqshy? Already had it. Shyish? Death. Azyr? Nope, unless Gordrakk is doing Big WAAGH stuff again. Hyish? Nope, except for sunclan grots and maybe firebellies. Ulgu? Maybe some gloomspite?

Nothing screams Destruction like Ghur. Cities have a presence literally everywhere, but mainly in Aqshy.

They missed a huge narrative opportunity with the WAAGH.

[EntMan]

Fear not Skaven, Beastmen, Fireslayer etc players! GW is starting to show love to ignored factions and fill gaps with new and exciting niches within armies in 40k at least!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/03/go-way-behind-enemy-lines-with-a-new-space-marine-lieutenant/