The Rumour Thread

[Barkanaut]

2 hours ago, Gecktron said:

Well, there are the rumored updates to older factions like the Sylvaneth, Ironjawz, Fyreslayers and Kharadron Overlords. Dropping 1 or 2 new units for these 4 factions could be done as one release as they won't cannibalize each other too much. 

Yeah and all the rumors say they are in the planning phase and only been Berkeley mentioned. Even then some of them are dubious. Moonclan probably safe as someone on this forum mentioned there was talk at a recent event that leaked out about GW looking for painters to paintgrots. I think at a seminar they mentioned the fyre and iron jaws have little unit variety and were working on ideas for. I still can’t find the seminar in question though. The most dubious one is Kharadron as I have heard litteraly zero on any sort of source for it and think it’s bs even though I love ko and they need new models and a fixed codex.

Edited July 12, 2018 by Barkanaut

[Enoby]

1 hour ago, Swooper said:

Just saw this on the AoS facebook page. Slaanesh teaser, anyone?

I love how every time Slaanesh gets a mention in anything official, Slaanesh fans instantly become excited for a possible new release. 

I think we like to be reminded that Slaanesh continues to exist. 

At least, that's how I've been feeling

[Kugane]

2 hours ago, Mayple said:

Been thinking the same. Eshin has been hogging the spotlight lately, ruining Nagash's grand ritual and all that.

Also super hyped about Malerion's aelves in general, so that'd probably push me to picking up a boxed set, for once.

They also specifically mentioned Eshin in the Warhammer  TV preview of the realms, I believe they said something along the lines of Eshin lurking in the shadows of Ulgu and you may end up with a knife in your back. AOS really needs a stealthy army that isn't wanderers or vanguard stormcast.  I personally would love if Nippon culture somehow got preserved in the realm of shadows and is still actively training Eshin.

[bsharitt]

9 hours ago, Aryann said:

What are your expectations for this year's GenCon? As much as I'd love to see some new minis I don't hype myself too much. It's probably still too early for anything new but if the rumours were true, and they are lately, we are still two factions short for this year and that would be a perfect event for that. But still I'd rather expect something small, like 1 new unit per GA. 

I don't really them doing big model releases at GenCon. I know there is some wargaming there, but it's still largely a board and card game thing and I could see GW playing to that crowd. That's the release weekend for AoS Champions, so I could see them pushing that hard there with maybe demos, giveaways, etc. Then probably boardgame and boardgame adjacent games with new announcements or new stuff for existing like Shadespire and Bloodbowl, or more info on stuff that's announced but otherwise we've heard nothing about like Blood Bowl Blitz. In fact I think this is probably the perfect venue to an unveil of BBB. On the more traditional wargaming side, if they do announce stuff, I could see them giving more info on Adeptis Titanticus maybe maybe the Rogue Trader expansion for Kill Team. But Aos, I'm guessing Shadespire and Champions are the best chances of new stuff.

[Gecktron]

12 hours ago, Barkanaut said:

Yeah and all the rumors say they are in the planning phase and only been Berkeley mentioned. Even then some of them are dubious. Moonclan probably safe as someone on this forum mentioned there was talk at a recent event that leaked out about GW looking for painters to paintgrots. I think at a seminar they mentioned the fyre and iron jaws have little unit variety and were working on ideas for. I still can’t find the seminar in question though. The most dubious one is Kharadron as I have heard litteraly zero on any sort of source for it and think it’s bs even though I love ko and they need new models and a fixed codex.

The Kharadron Rumors were the oldest as they came out close to release. GW stated back then that they sold way better than expected and that they were green lighted for expansion. But of course, no official announcement. Thats just what I read back then. 

[Kugane]

10 minutes ago, Gecktron said:

The Kharadron Rumors were the oldest as they came out close to release. GW stated back then that they sold way better than expected and that they were green lighted for expansion. But of course, no official announcement. Thats just what I read back then. 

Sadly we do not know how long the production time is between a green light and actual release :(. I would assume a year or so? But perhaps it is much longer.

[Gecktron]

Just now, Kugane said:

Sadly we do not know how long the production time is between a green light and actual release :(. I would assume a year or so? But perhaps it is much longer.

Production time between the first concept and the finished model is around 2 years. Some take longer but very few take less time.

We dont know at what stage development was when they green lighted new models. If they had already done the concept art its possible to see new Kharadrons this year (1,5 years after release). 

[Overread]

Actually GW is suggesting that they can do Sisters of Battle in well under a year. I think the key thing is that concept to finished models to production ready to sell varies depending on a lot of factors; including what else is being worked on and the release scheduled and also the production setup and a host of other things.

It's very likely that GW has a scale of projects, some being worked on as a primary focus and which are developed faster; and those which are on a back burner and might be worked on far less and thus take longer or which might even be shelved from time to time. So the run-time for a release varies a lot. 

[RuneBrush]

GW have produced stuff within a month in the past - the Rogue Trader style Space Marine apparently had a 4 week turn around, but that's the exception to the rule.  The scheduling team also plays a massive part, if you look at the date on sprues you get an idea of how long models have been lurking around.

[bsharitt]

1 hour ago, RuneBrush said:

GW have produced stuff within a month in the past - the Rogue Trader style Space Marine apparently had a 4 week turn around, but that's the exception to the rule.  The scheduling team also plays a massive part, if you look at the date on sprues you get an idea of how long models have been lurking around.

People seem to forget that the 2 years or so that's typically mentioned is, if accurate, justa production schedule and that it doesn't physically take two years to produce a miniature. The two years probably accounts for a lot of iterations and versions and tweaking to get it just right and I would imagine like many projects with lots of teams involved there might be some down time as it waits in that teams queue.

[Raviv]

Do you think we'll see anything new for AoS in the Forge World open day on Sunday?

[michu]

Rules for legendary lords appeared! https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

[Chikout]

8 minutes ago, Raviv said:

Do you think we'll see anything new for AoS in the Forge World open day on Sunday?

No. It's too soon after the aos open day. The focus will probably be on Titanicus with a little Necromunda and heresy.

[Kugane]

7 hours ago, Gecktron said:

Production time between the first concept and the finished model is around 2 years. Some take longer but very few take less time.

We dont know at what stage development was when they green lighted new models. If they had already done the concept art its possible to see new Kharadrons this year (1,5 years after release). 

I see! Thank you! I personally would assume that the concept art would already be done from the previous productions. Some stuff gets used and lots of stuff gets skipped after all. It would be interresting to see if they do release something along the lines of KO. A magical vessel that counts as a wizard would be more than welcome for them I would assume.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Kugane

[Enoby]

2 hours ago, michu said:

Rules for legendary lords appeared! https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

The PDF was messing up for me - most of the pages were white; I may be mistaken, but there weren't any heroes from Chaos or Order there, were there? I'm unsure if I missed them.

[michu]

It contains only Heroes that will be able to be preordered tomorrow.

[Aeryenn]

I think that we might be seeing batch 2 for some factions rather sooner than later due to endless spells. At first, when they previewed the box with a book I thought "that's it. maybe we will see more spells in a year". But then GW released 3 endless spells for Stormcasts and Nighthaunt. I think, that GW will push this new mechanic across most battletome factions and they will do it fast as long as they (endless spells) are still fresh and interesting. And if they release faction spells for Ironjawz and Sylvaneth I bet they will want to do it with a new battletome and new minis. So I think we might be seeing quite a lot, maybe not this year, but next year certainly. 

[Goodapollo4]

1 hour ago, Aryann said:

I think that we might be seeing batch 2 for some factions rather sooner than later due to endless spells. At first, when they previewed the box with a book I thought "that's it. maybe we will see more spells in a year". But then GW released 3 endless spells for Stormcasts and Nighthaunt. I think, that GW will push this new mechanic across most battletome factions and they will do it fast as long as they (endless spells) are still fresh and interesting. And if they release faction spells for Ironjawz and Sylvaneth I bet they will want to do it with a new battletome and new minis. So I think we might be seeing quite a lot, maybe not this year, but next year certainly. 

I love this idea, and want it to be true so badly. They could totally do like, one week releases for armies like this. Couple new kits, endless spells, updated battle tome. Boom, armies are refreshed and brought more inline with current releases. 

[Kaleb Daark]

21 hours ago, Raviv said:

Do you think we'll see anything new for AoS in the Forge World open day on Sunday?

yes indeed.

We will see:

a campaign book featuring a full fat battletome within its pages for the Legion of Azgorh

The release of the khorne Lord on Dragon

The surprise return of every out of production model in the Monstrous compendium remastered and reinvented for the age of sigmar.

 

... then I woke up and it was morning... ?

[Kaleb Daark]

On 7/13/2018 at 12:32 PM, RuneBrush said:

GW have produced stuff within a month in the past - the Rogue Trader style Space Marine apparently had a 4 week turn around, but that's the exception to the rule.  The scheduling team also plays a massive part, if you look at the date on sprues you get an idea of how long models have been lurking around.

indeed.  There's also the strategy and project team.  There has to be a business case for whatever they do.  This was why they teased the cannonness - she was a toe in the water to see if there was interest beyond nostalgia for the Sisters. 

It's been the thing also with Tomb Kings and Brets at head office.  If they were released, would people actually buy them and what would they do that an existing faction does not.   I know that every managers meeting someone throws these two dearly departed factions into the mix again, but the reality is that they have to make money to be written into the story line.

There's always the detail that something just isn't right for the current story arc or aesthetic, so it all gets held back till the time is right.  We can be sure that the timelines and story arcs are at least a couple of years in advance in the planning stage, for example with the rumour of fulgrim in 40k making a return I think we will see slaanesh finally shake his bonds free.  there's lots of slaaneshi raindrops falling in the most recent fluff and art, so I'm sure that's not a million miles away.

 

[Rogue Explorator]

On 7/13/2018 at 4:35 AM, bsharitt said:

I don't really them doing big model releases at GenCon. I know there is some wargaming there, but it's still largely a board and card game thing and I could see GW playing to that crowd. That's the release weekend for AoS Champions, so I could see them pushing that hard there with maybe demos, giveaways, etc. Then probably boardgame and boardgame adjacent games with new announcements or new stuff for existing like Shadespire and Bloodbowl, or more info on stuff that's announced but otherwise we've heard nothing about like Blood Bowl Blitz. In fact I think this is probably the perfect venue to an unveil of BBB. On the more traditional wargaming side, if they do announce stuff, I could see them giving more info on Adeptis Titanticus maybe maybe the Rogue Trader expansion for Kill Team. But Aos, I'm guessing Shadespire and Champions are the best chances of new stuff.

GenCon is also very important for tabletop RPGs (at least it was when I was more into them).

I think looking at what crosses over with other GenCon fields, I would expect teasers and reveals for Killteam and Shadespire.

The timing and context looks about right to unveil Shadespire season two and the first warbands.

For Killteam, my first thought uppon seeing the upcoming Rogue Trader was "this looks like an 'official' version of Inquisitor 28" and was has been revealed about their plans to expand Killteam and that Rogue Trader is one of multiple future expansions deepens the suspicion that they are doing something like that, as wel as bringing back official support for a playstyle much closer to the original Rogue Trader. While the actual hobbyists that partake of such playstyle and modeling are propably a fringe group to the greater customer base, they do provide great free advertising for GW with their many blogs and impressive conversions, so I think support is warranted. So GenCon, with its strong base in boardgames and RPGs would be great place for GW to unveil more upcoming Killteam stuff (we already know that some GSC are also upcomming for Killteam).

I think specialist games (Bloodbowl, Nekromunda, Titanicus) will be at FW Open. I would not expect much for the main lines.

If we are really lucky we might hear something about further developement of AoS Skirmish and Path to Glory as well.

[Kirjava13]

On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 7:44 PM, Kugane said:

There is still the Skaven release rumor which has gone silent for a long time. It came from the same source that told us about idoneth, DOK, AOS2 and shadow elves and the likes about a year ago. It would happen shortly after AOS2 release apparently. They said its mostly Skryre stuff though. I hope to see some reveals soon. Quite hobby starved for a decent skaven release! I hope they mix some verminus or eshin into the release as well, and just MAYBE a battletome, reuniting the clans.

Please. Please no. I can't buy any more. I'm too weak.

[ageofpaddsmar]

I heard from two unrelated sources that seraphon will be getting an updated tome soon. Before anyone blasts me I refer back to a post i made about legions of nagash before that even was known by alot of people

Edited July 14, 2018 by ageofpaddsmar

[Thiagoma]

3 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:

indeed.  There's also the strategy and project team.  There has to be a business case for whatever they do.  This was why they teased the cannonness - she was a toe in the water to see if there was interest beyond nostalgia for the Sisters. 

It's been the thing also with Tomb Kings and Brets at head office.  If they were released, would people actually buy them and what would they do that an existing faction does not.   I know that every managers meeting someone throws these two dearly departed factions into the mix again, but the reality is that they have to make money to be written into the story line.

There's always the detail that something just isn't right for the current story arc or aesthetic, so it all gets held back till the time is right.  We can be sure that the timelines and story arcs are at least a couple of years in advance in the planning stage, for example with the rumour of fulgrim in 40k making a return I think we will see slaanesh finally shake his bonds free.  there's lots of slaaneshi raindrops falling in the most recent fluff and art, so I'm sure that's not a million miles away.

 

I am not sure about Bretonnia, but i think a lot of people would buy TK.

 

I would be one of then. Settra is probably my favorite character in the Warhammer universe.

[Overread]

TK always struck me as a very random faction to kill off when one considers that the entire Fantasy range was selling poorly and yet TK were very distinctive and fairly popular in general - they'd even had quite a few semi-recent models. I'd have afar more expected something like Bretonians to go first. I hold the view that chances are if Kirby had remained in power we'd have seen more and more fantasy factions resigned to a point where fantasy would have become a boutique line of fantasy monsters and models rather than a miniature wargame line. 

So I've often felt that TK have potential to be returned to the game at some stage. Of course the more undead factions GW releases with the new aesthetic the less chance there is of a full return; but a partial one could be possible.

With the whole multiple realms and realm gates approach of Sigmar its fully possible to introduce a means for TK to return. A mighty Pyramid that survived the end of the world; coated in magic and hanging in the depths of space; dislodged and drawn toward the plans of the realms when Slannesh breaks his bonds and is freed from his prison. TK crashing into one of the lands and spilling out to establish themselves in this strange new world hot on the heels of a huge Slannesh demon incursion. 

A realmgate found mysteriously. Locked with magical runes that are broken by a mage seeking answers/power/discovery/escape. Only for it to open a portal into a strange and vast Citadel of unknown origin, from whence pours the mummified and animated undead defenders of that ancient civilization. Unable to close the realmgate now and yet driven to scourge the world and temple of any infestation of the unworthy who could risk damaging or harming their intombed gods within those dark stone walls.

 

 

And a million other arguments. The current Sigmar world is ideal for randomly adding new factions with super deverse backgrounds and visual asthetics.