The Rumour Thread

[Clan's Cynic]

3 hours ago, cyrus said:

I really doubt  BoC and StD will have an update soon. They are both ( almost) full WHFB native armies and they have both a recent battletome. 

We know already that beastmen can be coalition units in any chaos god army and they take specific keyword. 

My bet for chaos october/november army is either chaos Duardin or Nurgle 3.0 ( where pestigors could show up)

 

Beastmen appear also in the new old world army ( it is not AoS studio )

 

With the second Lumineth Battletome landing after only eight months I don't think length of servers really matters anymore when it comes to if a new Battletome is released or not. 

Maybe I'm being naive, but the new Start Collecting(!) Warriors of Chaos sculpts screamed to me that they'd be getting a second wave to replace the current Warriors sooner rather than later. Maybe not in October, but I'd be shocked if we don't at least see multi-part Warriors and Knights before 2022 is over.

 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Clan's Cynic

[Byro]

The rumor engine is 1000% Genestealer Cults. I know that glyph symbol anywhere (they were my first army).

[Kronos]

Thats a funny looking Stormcast. 

[Gitzdee]

Start collecting boxes on gw at the moment.

Destruction: 3
Death: 2
Chaos: 8
Order: 10

What seems really off to me is the lack of Nighthaunt. Please give me a box to get chainrasps cheaper XD.

[madmac]

6 minutes ago, Iksdee said:

Start collecting boxes on gw at the moment.

Destruction: 3
Death: 2
Chaos: 8
Order: 10

What seems really off to me is the lack of Nighthaunt. Please give me a box to get chainrasps cheaper XD.

They'll repack Soul Wars as a starter eventually.

[Gitzdee]

2 minutes ago, madmac said:

They'll repack Soul Wars as a starter eventually.

Could be.
I even find the skeleton box lacking with all the new gravelords models that were released. Imo start collecting boxes should get someone excited for starting a new army. Not getting a discount for older models. I really hope we are getting a good one for destruction.

[Scurvydog]

7 minutes ago, Iksdee said:

Could be.
I even find the skeleton box lacking with all the new gravelords models that were released. Imo start collecting boxes should get someone excited for starting a new army. Not getting a discount for older models. I really hope we are getting a good one for destruction.

A Mancrusher and 1/3 of a mega gargant!

Not like destruction need more, there is just not many destruction armies. The start collect Ironjawz is great value, but would be cooler with brutes instead of ardboyz. Gitz box has no focus, but a lot of cool looking things! The Ogor box is of legendary value with a Stonehorn + 4 mournfangs.

It is not all that common for GW to make multiple start collecting kits. I do think the combat patrol 40k uses is a bit better though and allows for more interesting boxes.

[Ar-Pharazôn]

Start Collecting OBR should be the Liege-Kavalos/Zandtos kit, a set of Kavalos, and then Mortek Guard.

Start Collecting Gutbusters should be a partial repackage of Feast of Bones, with Tyrant, Ironblaster/Scrap Launcher, Leadbelchers, and Gluttons.

Start Collecting Bonesplitterz should be a Savage Big Boss, Wurrgog, Savage Orruks set, and Savage Boarboys set.

 

 

[madmac]

15 minutes ago, Iksdee said:

Could be.
I even find the skeleton box lacking with all the new gravelords models that were released. Imo start collecting boxes should get someone excited for starting a new army. Not getting a discount for older models. I really hope we are getting a good one for destruction.

Some of the models in Soul Wars are exclusive to that set so they pretty much have to, just like the 1st edition Starter which got split into SC boxes that are still the only way to buy certain things like the Lord-Relictor.

[madmac]

2 minutes ago, Ar-Pharazôn said:

Start Collecting OBR should be the Liege-Kavalos/Zandtos kit, a set of Kavalos, and then Mortek Guard.

Start Collecting Gutbusters should be a partial repackage of Feast of Bones, with Tyrant, Ironblaster/Scrap Launcher, Leadbelchers, and Gluttons.

Start Collecting Bonesplitterz should be a Savage Big Boss, Wurrgog, Savage Orruks set, and Savage Boarboys set.

 

 

The issue with Bonesplittas is they need a proper plastic hero. All the shamans are resin, and the Big Boss comes on a sculpted square base. If they get an updated hero model, you can make a decent SC box for them.

[Neverchosen]

1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said:

With the second Lumineth Battletome landing after only eight months I don't think length of servers really matters anymore when it comes to if a new Battletome is released or not. 

Maybe I'm being naive, but the new Start Collecting(!) Warriors of Chaos sculpts screamed to me that they'd be getting a second wave to replace the current Warriors sooner rather than later. Maybe not in October, but I'd be shocked if we don't at least see multi-part Warriors and Knights before 2022 is over.

 

I feel we will get them with the next Slaves to Darkness battletome. I assume that they sculpted and designed them around the same time but just did not put them into production as they were making sure to sell out the remainder of their older sculpts. As someone with a surplus of the Older Chaos Warriors and Knights I will miss out on the beautiful new sculpts. Meanwhile, I am still looking for a way to get my hands on a karkadrak without getting even more Warriors and Knights.

I am interested to see the direction that Slaves to Darkness goes. It is currently one of the larger factions and with some of the richest history in Warhammer. But it has also slowly had its identity eroded by the release of God Specific factions. I have mentioned a few times but I would love an 1/4 style ally system like Cities and Stormcast but based on the general's mark. I would particularly love it if an undivided general could include Beasts of Chaos as undivided allies. I think in 2.0 there was little restriction for including Slaves to Darkness and Beasts of Chaos in other factions but it was often more difficult to reverse that situation. I think tying alliances to 1/4 based on marks would limit the amount of choices you could take for God Specific factions, while increasing support for undivided factions. This would hopefully lead to greater parity going forward making the choice of allegiance more impactful. Because honestly I ran Slaves to Darkness through all of 2.0 and often felt like was playing the game wrong. 

As an example a Tzaangor lead Beasts of Chaos Army would be able to include 1/4 Tzeentch marked allies. Therefore they could have equal access to Disciples of Tzeentch or Marked Slaves to Darkness, and could still have access to Dragon Ogors and Slaangors in their own faction. However, a Disciples of Tzeentch general could still include 1/4 marked Slaves to Darkness or Beast of Chaos units but would have to use regular ally points to include Slaangors or Dragon Ogors. 

Edited August 24, 2021 by Neverchosen

[Matrindur]

18 minutes ago, madmac said:

Some of the models in Soul Wars are exclusive to that set so they pretty much have to, just like the 1st edition Starter which got split into SC boxes that are still the only way to buy certain things like the Lord-Relictor.

Or they do it like they did 40k 8th starter and not split it up but sell those models that where exclusive at a high premium as webstore exclusives

[sandlemad]

Just now, Matrindur said:

Or they do it like they did 40k 8th starter and not split it up but sell those models that where exclusive at a high premium as webstore exclusives

I'm thinking GW could plausibly do both, an SC box for each faction and an expensive plastic kit for the heroes. Based on the sprues:

Nighthaunt SC box: Lord Executioner, 4 Grimghast Reapers, 5 Glaivewraiths, 10 Chainraps (20 would be nice but who knows)

Heroes of the Nighthaunt: Knight of Shrouds on steed, Guardian of Souls, Sprit Torment

Sacrosanct Chamber SC box: Knight Incantor, 2 Evocators, 5 Castigators, 8 Sequitors, Ballista

Heroes of the Sacrosanct Chamber: Lord-Arcanum on steed, random Incantor (maybe this one is a bit small...)

[Snorri Nelriksson]

I really hope Nighthaunt SC units size will not be different from the minimum,odd units from some starter boxes are really annoying.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Snorri Nelriksson

[Scurvydog]

3 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

I'm thinking GW could plausibly do both, an SC box for each faction and an expensive plastic kit for the heroes. Based on the sprues:

Nighthaunt SC box: Lord Executioner, 4 Grimghast Reapers, 5 Glaivewraiths, 10 Chainraps (20 would be nice but who knows)

Heroes of the Nighthaunt: Knight of Shrouds on steed, Guardian of Souls, Sprit Torment

Sacrosanct Chamber SC box: Knight Incantor, 2 Evocators, 5 Castigators, 8 Sequitors, Ballista

Heroes of the Sacrosanct Chamber: Lord-Arcanum on steed, random Incantor (maybe this one is a bit small...)

That would be horrible boxes... The soul wars box was already a nightmare for matched play of absolute nonsense. 5 glaivewraiths... come in units of 4. 4 grimghasts... come in units of 10. Sequitors are in 5s, same for Evocators, it never adds up and lacks special weapons and unit champions and I could go on.

I think they should do proper boxes, these reboxing of snap fit models really hurt some factions already. Thinking about Stormcast that is just littered with the same posed liberators because that is what everyone got, however the "real" multipart liberators actually look quite a bit better I think, in addition to the horrible shoulder pads on from the box set models, that needs liquid green stuff at times to not look bad. 

I think it is a bad way to get people into the game, when they realize they got the worst quality models, with the least dynamic sculpts and unpleasant gaps (a beginner most likely do not have all the handy hobby tools), while also finding out none of the unit sizes fits the actual matched play game. Nah GW should put in some effort and make cool boxes and not cheap out by using the multipart kits.

[Neverchosen]

I am sadly banking on the wonky Soul Wars numbers for the Nighthaunt and Sacrosanct Starter sets. Simply because GW did not shy away from it in the past. Luckily Dominion and the new Starter Sets seem to have learned from that particular mistake.

[sandlemad]

I mean 'should' would be nice but it's unfortunately GW doesn't particularly concern themselves with that. In a sense that whole bizarre mess up with unit sizes is a mistake they already made. They didn't care about it then and probably wouldn't care about it now, even if they're semi-rectified it (still not enough battleline) with kits like Dominion.

And it can go the other way also. I feel the opposite about the original monopose liberators vs. the multipart ones, and find that the regular 40k intercessors and plague marines look pretty shoddy when compared to their monopose equivalents from the Dark Imperium kit. In all cases they're strictly worse because they don't have the full suite of loadout options but they're nicer minis to my eyes.

Really, the main concern is that vital minis like the Knight of Shrouds and Guardian of Souls stay around. There's no real guarantee that they will either. The basic 40k HQ choice for Death Guard, the Lord of Contagion, appeared in Dark Imperium but never reappeared. You can get an ETB equivalent but it doesn't have the same gear and moreover comes with a too-small unit of (rather ugly) Nurgle terminators... which is something like the perfect storm of the issues people have brought up.

[RuneBrush]

8 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

I am sadly banking on the wonky Soul Wars numbers for the Nighthaunt and Sacrosanct Starter sets. Simply because GW did not shy away from it in the past. Luckily Dominion and the new Starter Sets seem to have learned from that particular mistake.

I don't think we'll see soulwars appearing as a SC set as Grimghasts are a min unit of 10 and GW received a huge amount of criticism on those unit sizes 3 years ago.  I think we're more likely to see a box containing Harridans, a banshee and perhaps a mortis engine or similar (though black coach would be amazing!)

[EonChao]

It's worth noting very few models were exclusive to Soul Wars (unlike Dark Imperium). Chainrasps, Glaivewraiths, Grimghasts, Lord Executioner and Spirit Torment are all available separately with different sculpts as are Evocators, Castigators, Sequitors and Ballistas. The mounted Knight of Shrouds could be released in a start collecting box and its sprue has the Spirit Torment and Guardian of Souls on it (or just that sprue as a direct release) and the Lord Arcanum on a Gryph Charger could be the same with the spare Evocator Prime on the sprue just being an extra (or even rebranded as a Knight Incantor). Then you'd just need to release a new Knight Incantor (or maybe repackage the £5 Getting Started figure) although Stormsire's Cursebreakers might fill that niche as well.

[novakai]

Not a strong rumor and may have been mention already but Warhammer weekly think there a Khorne expansion coming soon

[Aeryenn]

42 minutes ago, novakai said:

Not a strong rumor and may have been mention already but Warhammer weekly think there a Khorne expansion coming soon

It would be great if it's a Slaanesh mortal type update. Battleline, elites, centerpiece, all mortal. We've had enough greater deamons already.

Edited August 24, 2021 by Aeryenn

[sandlemad]

Their rules have issues but the Khorne range is very solid already. Eight mortal heroes, seven mortal units. New specialised daemon characters to match the kinds of things Nurgle and Slaanesh have, sure, but they're less in need of a new mortal expansion than basically any chaos army besides Slaanesh.

If Khorngors are an anchor for a BoC refresh that just so happen to appear in Khorne too, cool. Otherwise sounds like a misstep when there's so many other forces out there that need attention more.

[Snorri Nelriksson]

1 hour ago, novakai said:

Not a strong rumor and may have been mention already but Warhammer weekly think there a Khorne expansion coming soon

The rumors talked about world eaters for 40k though.

I think that aos will get some khorngors perhaps like Tzaangors given to thousands sons.

Maybe the chaos october incoming book will be the blades of Khorne one.

[cyrus]

3 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

With the second Lumineth Battletome landing after only eight months I don't think length of servers really matters anymore when it comes to if a new Battletome is released or not. 

Maybe I'm being naive, but the new Start Collecting(!) Warriors of Chaos sculpts screamed to me that they'd be getting a second wave to replace the current Warriors sooner rather than later. Maybe not in October, but I'd be shocked if we don't at least see multi-part Warriors and Knights before 2022 is over.

 

Lumineth are a fully native AoS army while BoC and Std are not ( whfb range with some addition). 

Std start collecting seems to me a fantastic gift to WoC players from the studio ( in the same way as blood knights, skeletons,zombies). They do not really  fit the AoS lore in my opinion.

[Mutton]

6 hours ago, sandlemad said:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/24/the-rumour-engine-24th-of-august-2021/

New rumour engine looking like someone's bare torso with a necklace of spikes and a big old Khorne amulet.

That's a Khornegor.