Acrozatarim Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Current rules in the core re maximum unit sizes mean Horrors can't split over their unit size, so it's basically 3 wounds per horror rather than 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Acrozatarim said: So for Chaos, it looks like Khorne and Nurgle came through with only moderate rises, whereas Tzeentch basically got nuked into a glowing hole in the ground, while Slaanesh was *already* a glowing hole in the ground and they dropped an extra nuke in just to be sure. I am so confused at this - really just incredibly disappointed by the news, and makes me wonder why the games designers are so detached from the community I have no clue what rules writer thought in good faith that Slaanesh needed another points increase while the entire community thought they were too pricey. In fact, the most baffling thing is that someone thought that Hellstriders were too pricey and brought them down to 135. On it's own, that's totally fine - they were overcosted. But what this means is that the points weren't just stuck into an algorithm - somebody actually looked and Slaangors and went "yup, these are a bit too strong for their points!" But yeah, just disappointed... 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juicy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 utterly lost for words about al these uninspired increases. There was just increase... no point balance. Nothing like we thing this unit should cost more and this less. That slaanesh has gone up is just another blow in the face for the slaanesh players. Lost for words on that.. I dont even collect slaanesh but i feel sorry for them. Balance team is just super disconnected to the whole game its unreal. just lost for words for this whole leak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Chaos Marauders with min size 10 well we had it coming boys! Did everyone see the Soulsnare Shackles? You can‘t charge while you are within 6“ This might get problematic if you try to remove sentinels and Teclis just nopes you 😅 Sentinels went up 10 points... Edited June 17, 2021 by JackStreicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred1245 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Juicy said: utterly lost for words about al these uninspired increases. There was just increase... no point balance. Nothing like we thing this unit should cost more and this less. That slaanesh has gone up is just another blow in the face for the slaanesh players. Lost for words on that.. I dont even collect slaanesh but i feel sorry for them. Balance team is just super disconnected to the whole game its unreal. just lost for words for this whole leak DoK wasn't as bad off as Slaanesh, but you can still see the same lack of thought in their increases. Named Hag queen going up by more than DOUBLE despite plenty of people not using her at 80pts. Witch Aelves going up by more than Blood Sisters despite seeing 0 competitive play since the new book. Morathi, the best unit in the book, going up less percentage-wise than any of the other heroes despite no one taking anything but her and a Bloodwrack to make Blood Sisters battleline. Cauldron and Avatar changes ignoring how badly the priest changes hurt them in the early turns. What a bad start to a new edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I am baffled by the only very slight increases for most shooting units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, JackStreicher said: I am baffled by the only very slight increases for most shooting units. Blissbarb Archer apparently are the only shooting unit that GW fear of being OP, 180 is a joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) They gave the various kinds of Flamer serious increases as well, and for some reason increased Kairic Acolytes by a quarter too. Edited June 17, 2021 by Acrozatarim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchur Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Am I right that there are no points for any Forgeworld units this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentinelGuy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 GW Age of Sentinels 3.0 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, JackStreicher said: I am baffled by the only very slight increases for most shooting units. Except Medusa Stalkers. 30 points, woof. Meanwhile Sentinels...and skinks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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novakai Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Enoby said: I am so confused at this - really just incredibly disappointed by the news, and makes me wonder why the games designers are so detached from the community I have no clue what rules writer thought in good faith that Slaanesh needed another points increase while the entire community thought they were too pricey. In fact, the most baffling thing is that someone thought that Hellstriders were too pricey and brought them down to 135. On it's own, that's totally fine - they were overcosted. But what this means is that the points weren't just stuck into an algorithm - somebody actually looked and Slaangors and went "yup, these are a bit too strong for their points!" But yeah, just disappointed... well i think the problem with how GW does things was that this GHB was written 7 months ago (at least that what i been told) and this was probably printed way before the HoS came out to the public last February where most of the lurkwarm response came out. of course people have wanted GW to just switch to a digital format when it comes to points and rules instead of relying on books but I doubt that will change anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Fuchur said: Am I right that there are no points for any Forgeworld units this time? I haven't seen any, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were gone alltogether. Cursed City heroes also do not have points costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrozatarim Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 So the tzaangor types of units all went up in price in Tzeentch - but went *down* in price in BoC? Is this the first time units have different prices in different factions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowHills Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I hope everyone is looking forward to a toxic meta with every army using shackles. 3 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, HollowHills said: I hope everyone is looking forward to a toxic meta with every army using shackles. It's just the same toxic shooting meta as last edition but with unleash hell... they ignored all the broken stuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) I expected some serious point increases for Tzeentch.... but why is the Gaunt Summoner on foot more expensive than the flying one? Guess they'll change the warscrolls or something... maybe no summoning on the disc version? Edited June 17, 2021 by MitGas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyTheKing Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I’m glad they decided to keep the problem Lumineth units basically the same, very nice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 The eternal problem with points is simply that they are in a book. The book was definitely written at least six months ago, before the Lumineth and Slaanesh books came out. Given how long in advance new editions are written, these points may even have been done before the first Lumineth book came out. Until this changes there are always going to be problems. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Chikout said: The eternal problem with points is simply that they are in a book. The book was definitely written at least six months ago, before the Lumineth and Slaanesh books came out. Given how long in advance new editions are written, these points may even have been done before the first Lumineth book came out. Until this changes there are always going to be problems. well they should just go digital with the points but GW loves their books though 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I’ve always been a Shackles player and I’ve enjoyed their fluff since I was a boy 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, JonnyTheKing said: I’m glad they decided to keep the problem Lumineth units basically the same, very nice Not entirely, the Loreseeker is no longer unique (buff), and they get a few buffs in secondary objectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreddships Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Honestly, some of these points feel already like day 1 FAQ EDIT : My current favourites are the Greater Daemons because OH GOLY GEE Rotigus is now cheaper than a GUO, Shalaxi is cheaper than a Keeper of Secrets and Skreech being cheaper than two of the default Verminlords by like 20 points... Oh, on the topic of Verminlords, the 80 point difference between the Corruptor and the Deciever - or double the current gap Weirdly tho, this isn't even a consistent theme with Skarbrand still priced 100 points over all Bloodthirsters and the only one thats stayed vaguely concistent is Kairos. Edited June 17, 2021 by Dreddships Greater Daemon Fun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: I’ve always been a Shackles player and I’ve enjoyed their fluff since I was a boy Maybe it's best to keep your thoughts on fluffy shackles private... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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