Neverchosen Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vasshpit said: What was the last set of endless spells and faction terrain released? Kinds seems like faction terrain was a bit of an experiment that may not keep going. I'd definitely take more generic terrain though, please. Or bring some of the mia kits back. I would like them to implement a generic equivalent of faction terrain that would be based on the realms. The rule would be something like instead of your faction specific terrain you can instead pick realm terrain. Here are some ideas off the top of my head: Azyr, Sigmarite Abbey, conveys a ward when garrisoned. Aqshy, Rent earth, dangerous terrain that limits line of sight that you can set up after armies are placed. Probalbly outside of deployment zones. Shyish, Graveyard, impacts enemies bravery? Ghyran, Healing spring heals d3 wounds on nearby heroes Hysh, Rebranding of the Realm gates and paired with Ulgu for some teleportation fun? Ghur, Monster's den allows you to deepstrike a monster from the terrain piece Chamon, Magical forge gives a benefit to combat? Ulgu, see hysh Okay these are terrible ideas but still conveys the idea of generic terrain that could benefit any army but probably would not be taken over faction terrain in most cases but a nice alternative when Faction terrain revolves around specific builds such as priests or wizards. But I also am adamant we need siege rules and like terrain. Edited October 6, 2022 by Neverchosen 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ganigumo Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Vasshpit said: What was the last set of endless spells and faction terrain released? Kinds seems like faction terrain was a bit of an experiment that may not keep going. I'd definitely take more generic terrain though, please. Or bring some of the mia kits back. I think the last set was lumineth. I think it was dropped because they were manufactured in china instead of in the UK but I might be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 @Neverchosen A bit of tweaking needed, yes, but thats a great idea imo. I particularly like the ghur monster den. On that note it would be great to see some beasties that can be taken by factions other than chaos in warcry. @Ganigumo i think i read that somewhere as well now that you mention it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiftForSwift Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Ganigumo said: I think the last set was lumineth. I think it was dropped because they were manufactured in china instead of in the UK but I might be mistaken. The faction terrain was always a harder, different shade of plastic so I think you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 The problem with Faction Terrain is GW was very wild with the size variation. You had small things like gnawholes and charnal thrones that could easily fit into a predesigned board; and then you had insanely huge things like the Ossiarch Nexus which just cannot fit onto a well put together board after terrain and the function of which kind of makes you always want it in the middle which is silly for something so huge and so open line-of-sight wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Overread said: The problem with Faction Terrain is GW was very wild with the size variation. You had small things like gnawholes and charnal thrones that could easily fit into a predesigned board; and then you had insanely huge things like the Ossiarch Nexus which just cannot fit onto a well put together board after terrain and the function of which kind of makes you always want it in the middle which is silly for something so huge and so open line-of-sight wise. 100% this. And it can be a lot more weird. Some of them are constructions that are hard to understand why are at the middle of the battlefield (some build them in the middle of the night before the battle?), and others are completely understandable because they can be moved around the realms, like Shrine Luminor or Zonberk... wait, no. KOs still don't have terrain nor endless spells /sadface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Overread said: The problem with Faction Terrain is GW was very wild with the size variation. You had small things like gnawholes and charnal thrones that could easily fit into a predesigned board; and then you had insanely huge things like the Ossiarch Nexus which just cannot fit onto a well put together board after terrain and the function of which kind of makes you always want it in the middle which is silly for something so huge and so open line-of-sight wise. I personally also don't like that faction terrain an upgrade to your army list that doesn't cost points, but does cost money. Just from an accessibility perspective. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/06/warhammer-40000-metawatch-war-without-end/ "...the upcoming Balance Dataslate later this month." 40k delaying AoS releases once again. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arzalyn Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/06/warhammer-40000-metawatch-war-without-end/ "...the upcoming Balance Dataslate later this month." 40k delaying AoS releases once again. How is it delaying AoS releases? If its coming later this month and AoS is soon it probably mean AoS is coming before 40k. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 42 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/06/warhammer-40000-metawatch-war-without-end/ "...the upcoming Balance Dataslate later this month." 40k delaying AoS releases once again. How can something that doesn't have a release date be delayed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellman Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Nezzhil said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/06/warhammer-40000-metawatch-war-without-end/ "...the upcoming Balance Dataslate later this month." 40k delaying AoS releases once again. So hopfuly in a veak or two I more surprised that we don't have more articles aelf and gargant leding upp to the preorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Fellman said: So hopfuly in a veak or two I more surprised that we don't have more articles aelf and gargant leding upp to the preorder probably means the tomes didn't change much and its like skaven/tzeentch. I hope the battlescroll drops today or tomorrow, I've got an event with the publication cutoff being saturday and I'm thinking of bringing Gitz/Kruleboyz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahrial Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Well that was a lame day of articles. Someone, leak a battletome already in retaliation. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, Sahrial said: Well that was a lame day of articles. Kinda weird they threw all 9 editions of 40k into one article, I thought they'd do a couple a day leading up to the 35th which must definitely be announcing 10e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said: Kinda weird they threw all 9 editions of 40k into one article, I thought they'd do a couple a day leading up to the 35th which must definitely be announcing 10e They're probably just continuing to be coy about 40k 10th edition which is 100% getting announced on saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutton Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Sahrial said: Someone, leak a battletome already in retaliation. But leak the Mawtribes one. Throw 'em a curveball. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: I personally also don't like that faction terrain an upgrade to your army list that doesn't cost points, but does cost money. Just from an accessibility perspective. I don't mind them not costing points, it does make them rather a no-brainer purchase; but the game has plenty of those already. You need troops and a leader to play so those are also forced purchases and such. That's the nature of a miniatures wargame. If anything done right I'm all for terrain that's more involved in the game. My issue is more that some factions got them and some didn't and that some of them are fairly tactically dull. Eg the Gnawhole is tactically interesting because you have to think about where to place them in the game and they have a good impact. Many others are more of a "this appears and does something that affects the whole army/battlefield" so it doesn't matter where you place them. Which to me is just a bit tactically dull on something in the game and on the table. But the biggest issue was, well, the size issue some had. Huge bits of terrain that chocked up segments of the board. Thematic yes, but so big that they are just not practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleb Daark Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Overread said: I don't mind them not costing points, it does make them rather a no-brainer purchase; but the game has plenty of those already. You need troops and a leader to play so those are also forced purchases and such. That's the nature of a miniatures wargame. If anything done right I'm all for terrain that's more involved in the game. My issue is more that some factions got them and some didn't and that some of them are fairly tactically dull. Eg the Gnawhole is tactically interesting because you have to think about where to place them in the game and they have a good impact. Many others are more of a "this appears and does something that affects the whole army/battlefield" so it doesn't matter where you place them. Which to me is just a bit tactically dull on something in the game and on the table. But the biggest issue was, well, the size issue some had. Huge bits of terrain that chocked up segments of the board. Thematic yes, but so big that they are just not practical. You wait till the mega gargant sun shelter comes out, it’ll have it’s own terrain board segment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahrial Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 53 minutes ago, Mutton said: But leak the Mawtribes one. Throw 'em a curveball. Yknow honestly I’d be okay with the SoBs tome even. No emotional investment, I can just start playing with my proxies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted Firaun Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Sahrial said: Well that was a lame day of articles. Someone, leak a battletome already in retaliation. Nah, that's not good enough....... Somebody should find and post the 8th Edition WHFB Grand Cathay Army Book CA was given before Total War III dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 maybe people finally learn how to read there NDA disclosure 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, novakai said: maybe people finally learn how to read there NDA disclosure Hopfully, leaks take the fun and wind out of releases. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Red Lines Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Ogregut said: Hopfully, leaks take the fun and wind out of releases. Personally, I'd also rather not see any rumours in the (checks notes)... rumour thread 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said: Personally, I'd also rather not see any rumours in the (checks notes)... rumour thread Leaks aren't rumours, they are spoilers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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