novakai Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Snorri Nelriksson said: Maybe Skaven big release if the Sylvaneth get to be the weak part of the new battletome? IDK them and lizard are the most probable to have a Vampire counts styled release being both legacy Whfb army. pessimistic outlook said it just going to be books and one model for each like the usual. That just more common I find well I guess there a chances they will at least give skaven updated acylotes like Nighthaunt had Crossboos in the battle box. actual I would even put Sylvaneath having more chances just because they got that warding revanant in BR while Skaven didn’t get anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Chikout said: So after thirty years without a map they finally made one and it's just three kingdoms era China. This project really isn't doing much to excite me. Have you looked at the old world? It's just Earth with a donut full of elves added. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ggom Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 One thing that strikes me as odd with a lot of the duel boxes that get released: Wouldn't they make more money by adding an additional kit to the smaller factions (fyreslayers, daughters of khaine) instead of adding a new hero? The asking price is certainly higher for a unit, and it doesn't seem likely that either one would generate more sales than the other - the target demographic for both are likely folks who already collect the army. From a design perspective, it probably requires a little more investment in design time, but I doubt that designer costs make up a large portion of their production cost. From a community perspective theres also seems to be a pattern of these single foot heros generating little interest. Contrast that with something like - some salamander cavalry for fyreslayers or some new Greek horror for daughters - and I think it was obvious that they will get more excitement and sales this way. I mean, the new foot hero is cool but I'd much prefer a 3 or 5 pack of a new elites unit. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 @Ggom I agree. I haven’t bought any of the fomo boxes in ages. They create little to no interest for me. (and I‘d be stuck with a whole faction I don’t want) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ggom said: One thing that strikes me as odd with a lot of the duel boxes that get released: Wouldn't they make more money by adding an additional kit to the smaller factions (fyreslayers, daughters of khaine) instead of adding a new hero? The asking price is certainly higher for a unit, and it doesn't seem likely that either one would generate more sales than the other - the target demographic for both are likely folks who already collect the army. From a design perspective, it probably requires a little more investment in design time, but I doubt that designer costs make up a large portion of their production cost. From a community perspective theres also seems to be a pattern of these single foot heros generating little interest. Contrast that with something like - some salamander cavalry for fyreslayers or some new Greek horror for daughters - and I think it was obvious that they will get more excitement and sales this way. I mean, the new foot hero is cool but I'd much prefer a 3 or 5 pack of a new elites unit. i think consensus is that they use these boxes to shift old stocks arounds in hopes of selling them off and the foot hero is just a low effort investment to incentivize new people to buy these boxes if they have not started these armies yet. generally speaking, these boxes have never really been for existing people in the hobby i find. also apparently new unit are way harder to produce then a stock monopose hero. Edited February 19, 2022 by novakai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenspeer Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Ggom said: Wouldn't they make more money by adding an additional kit to the A unit of crab riding Namarti and the box would have been sold out in 5 minutes 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Sonnenspeer said: A unit of crab riding Namarti and the box would have been sold out in 5 minutes I think you're being a bit generous here mate, 2-3 tops. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarff Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Sonnenspeer said: A unit of crab riding Namarti and the box would have been sold out in 5 minutes Same with Minidroth riding vulkites or hearthguard, especially if they would finally be the female Fyreslayers constantly mentioned in lore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Arthur Hotep Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Carnelian said: Truly perfection has been achieved: 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Yeah lone heroes are a lot less effort and its not unknown for them to be side/passion projects by the sculptors which is obviously even less I suspect one of the reasons we are seeing so many right now though is the smaller sprues needing less production time given how many production/logistics issues GW has right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogregut Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, novakai said: i think consensus is that they use these boxes to shift old stocks arounds in hopes of selling them off and the foot hero is just a low effort investment to incentivize new people to buy these boxes if they have not started these armies yet. generally speaking, these boxes have never really been for existing people in the hobby i find. also apparently new unit are way harder to produce then a stock monopose hero. I highly doubt the boxes are built around surplus stock. I think you underestimate the planning and time it takes to create these boxes. The new heroes have to be designed with rules, booklets produced and printed with background, rules and model assembly instructions. Token sheets designed and printed. New artwork produced, the box produced and printed and then everything packaged together. Alongside this models have to be painted and pictures taken for the website as well as articles need writing. Then enough boxes need producing, which they have got better at, before shipping them all over the world. It's not like all that happens because they had a surplus of deepkin sharks. One would hope they don't have a surplus of anything as a well managed warehouse should be temporary holding place for stock not a graveyard for unsold kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 16 hours ago, novakai said: pessimistic outlook said it just going to be books and one model for each like the usual. That just more common I find well I guess there a chances they will at least give skaven updated acylotes like Nighthaunt had Crossboos in the battle box. actual I would even put Sylvaneath having more chances just because they got that warding revanant in BR while Skaven didn’t get anything Whitefang like my post so I must have said something right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, novakai said: Whitefang like my post so I must have said something right I really hope Skaven get at least a sizeable update this Edition. Minimum of 2 kits and a new Hero at least. Sylvaneth make sense for an update as well what with Alarielles Life Spell shipping across the Realms. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoghurtKobold Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Weren't there some rumours about big Sylvaneth release in early january? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I've heard strong rumours of a sylvaneth release. Significant in size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gailon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 What seems weird about a potential Sylvaneth release is that the models all seem pretty great. They are really pretty and seem far from out of date. Compare that to other factions like Skaven or Seraphon (one of the most popular factions) which have ancient sculpts that look dated. It seems like an odd faction to get any updated models. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Veshnakar Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Give me a gigadroth, squig sized Magmadroth hatchlings goaded into battle by duardin, rune covered magma golems controlled by runemasters and Magmadroth chariots. That will fill out fyreslayers beautifully. Edited February 19, 2022 by Lord Veshnakar 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmac Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Gailon said: What seems weird about a potential Sylvaneth release is that the models all seem pretty great. They are really pretty and seem far from out of date. Compare that to other factions like Skaven or Seraphon (one of the most popular factions) which have ancient sculpts that look dated. It seems like an odd faction to get any updated models. Sylvaneth have it much better than Fyreslayers, obviously, but they're still a pretty small range without much visual or playstyle variety. They have three types of light chaff infantry units built out of two kits, while the bigger Kurnouth Hunters have pretty much carried the army since it's inception. The old Treelord kit also does a lot of heavy lifting. Everything except Alarielle is literally plodding treeman also so it's not like you've got a bunch of flyers or cav or skirmishers or whatever, either. Even the only dedicated shooting unit is a Kurnouth weapon option. That said, if it's not time for the Kurnothi to storm in and basically make them Wood Elves 2.0 again, I'm not sure what kind of sizable expansion they could realistically get. They have so many types of trees already, I don't see how things like Treemen Cavalry is supposed to work, and just adding more Revenants with bows or whatever doesn't read like a big update to me, personally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Also, I think Sylvaneath themselves are pretty popular army despite its gameplay flaws with wildwood, especially since within the community it an army that both has good appeal within the female crowd and a common choice for people GF/significant others to get into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alghero81 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, madmac said: That said, if it's not time for the Kurnothi to storm in and basically make them Wood Elves 2.0 again, I'm not sure what kind of sizable expansion they could realistically get. They have so many types of trees already, I don't see how things like Treemen Cavalry is supposed to work, and just adding more Revenants with bows or whatever doesn't read like a big update to me, personally. Yep, reading the comments here you anticipated me. Kurnothi could be the brand new expansion and maybe one glade that can have 1 in 4 Wanderers as they forgive them. Just to throw a bone to old wood elves players. Kurnothi in Sylvaneth could give some elite infantry, fast cavalry but no teletransport rules, something different that could give new visual impact to the army and new options. In saying that, considering we have zero rumours of them coming in and zero rumour engines that would point to an expansion of that size, for now it’s just wishlisting. Did we solve the sewer rumour engine? That could be our new Skaven hero… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I could see Sylvaneth getting the Wanderers and Kurnothi expanded. Not only those but there are plenty other ways to expand the range. Different types of Trees and Plants for example not to mention the amount of Grubs, Insects and Wildlife in general they have at their disposal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, alghero81 said: Yep, reading the comments here you anticipated me. Kurnothi could be the brand new expansion and maybe one glade that can have 1 in 4 Wanderers as they forgive them. Just to throw a bone to old wood elves players. Kurnothi in Sylvaneth could give some elite infantry, fast cavalry but no teletransport rules, something different that could give new visual impact to the army and new options. In saying that, considering we have zero rumours of them coming in and zero rumour engines that would point to an expansion of that size, for now it’s just wishlisting. Did we solve the sewer rumour engine? That could be our new Skaven hero… these are probably the two RE for the two heroes i feel, since they were release back-to-back like the FS and IDK hero for fury of the Deep box. i don't think the bug legs is for a new Jabberscythe honestly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoghurtKobold Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 That skaven is most likely from some new Underworld's warband. Because of that elaborate base. There is no other regular hero with full scenic base like that apart from Underworld's bands. If it was just regular hero he would be running on some pipe protruding through base or something like that and there wouldn't be sculpted whole part of sewer underneath him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Sylvaneth are doing alright for various sized treefolk and revenants i think, id probably look at bugs and sprites, big tank bug like the one Alarielle is riding would be awesome, maybe an arty bug though might be a bit too lizard, i reckon sprite/bug swarms would look amazing with modern tech too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Noserenda said: Sylvaneth are doing alright for various sized treefolk and revenants i think, id probably look at bugs and sprites, big tank bug like the one Alarielle is riding would be awesome, maybe an arty bug though might be a bit too lizard, i reckon sprite/bug swarms would look amazing with modern tech too. Give us Squirrel Swarms damn it GW!! 1 hour ago, YoghurtKobold said: That skaven is most likely from some new Underworld's warband. Because of that elaborate base. There is no other regular hero with full scenic base like that apart from Underworld's bands. If it was just regular hero he would be running on some pipe protruding through base or something like that and there wouldn't be sculpted whole part of sewer underneath him. I agree, that scenic base is either Underworlds or a Warhammer+ exclusive model. Hopefully the former!! 1 hour ago, novakai said: these are probably the two RE for the two heroes i feel, since they were release back-to-back like the FS and IDK hero for fury of the Deep box. i don't think the bug legs is for a new Jabberscythe honestly. Do you think the insect like leg will be for Sylvaneth? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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