The Rumour Thread

[KingBrodd]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/06/the-will-of-the-mountain/

The rest of the Lumineth are up for Pre Order this week @LuminethMage

[woolf]

49 minutes ago, whispersofblood said:

Well one this is all highly specific situations, or things you pay for. 

Everything to do with Teclis obviously costs points.

They have 1 spell that does 3 things at a 10" range for the dispel and dmg, and a total of 22" for the debuff. It's also a 8+ spell. 

Stone guard, mountain spirits and Eltharion are not wizards. 

Vanarai (dawnriders, wardens and Sentinels) have -1 when in shining company which has significant trade offs in movement and board coverage you are not mentioning. 

The almighty push actually takes careful placement or the enemy unit can actually put more models on objectives not less. 

 

to add to this comment, the solar flare spell also hit your own wizard, ie 12" bubble of -2 cast at 10" cast range so a bit of a double edge there,  and it cant both dispel and do MW dmg as there cant be a unit and an endless spell on the same point of the map. I kinda agree with most here, the army has strengths but far from over powered. could have been way way worse given the dollar price point GW placed them at 😂

[Thiagoma]

"These releases complete the initial Lumineth Realm-lords range and round out their tactical toolbox. Keep an eye out for a closer look at them throughout the week, including a series of videos to show you how to paint them up in all their gleaming glory!"

 

Confirming army expeansions? Maybe sooner than expected?

[JackStreicher]

38 minutes ago, woolf said:

given the dollar price point GW placed them at 😂

Don‘t mistake greed for „money expresses powerlevel ingame “ ^^

[KingBrodd]

13 hours ago, Thiagoma said:

"These releases complete the initial Lumineth Realm-lords range and round out their tactical toolbox. Keep an eye out for a closer look at them throughout the week, including a series of videos to show you how to paint them up in all their gleaming glory!"

 

Confirming army expeansions? Maybe sooner than expected?

I'd say the next expansion will come with their 3.0 Battletome. Probably 2021/2.

Edited September 7, 2020 by KingBrodd

[Thiagoma]

1 minute ago, KingBrodd said:

I'd say the bect expansion will come with their 3.0 Battletome. Probably 2021/2.

But correct me if i am wrong, but have GW ever outright said anything about another wave for any army?

[KingBrodd]

4 minutes ago, Thiagoma said:

But correct me if i am wrong, but have GW ever outright said anything about another wave for any army?

Not outwardly but the Lumineth are heavily implied seeing as we have no Tyrion and there are 3 other Aspects to their culture. I think there are some who think it will be an entire range per aspect but really the Wardens, Sentinels and Dawnriders will make up the bulk of the army with units such as the Stoneguard unique to each aspect.

So potentially that leaves 3 specialised units, 3 Mages and potentially 3 more monsters along with Tyrion.

[Overread]

27 minutes ago, Thiagoma said:

But correct me if i am wrong, but have GW ever outright said anything about another wave for any army?

GW never will unless its coming in 3 months or less.

 

That said you can broadly expect them to support armies into the long term. The drop of armies for Old World when AoS came out was an exceptional exception. Typically GW has never retired that many armies from their games. In general they will retire Forgeworld Armies more readily; however from their core games they don't tend to remove armies all that often. It does happen, but often as not they are more retirements that get amalgamated into another force by some means. 

The only other time they've dropped that many armies is when they've stopped doing games like their specialist games and then its the whole game that is dropped. 

 

So yes I'd expect most AoS armies of small size to get a "Second Wave." Now this might come all in one big go or it might come with a few models here and there. It's up to GW to make that choice. Some armies might persist for years without an update (look how long it got to get plastic Sisters of Battle) and others might get update after update (favoured armies like Khorne and Stormcast that did really well in early AoS). 

[Neverchosen]

We also know of the upcoming Lumineth Underworlds warband and maybe some future love in Broken Realms.

If anything I feel like Lumineth are the army that we can feel most confident about getting updated, except maybe Stormcast.

[Kramer]

9 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

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If anything I feel like Lumineth are the army that we can feel most confident about getting updated, except maybe Stormcast.

Slaanesh maybe? Some mortal units seem More and more likely to me. 

[novakai]

All chaos army probably will get there Gor units eventually too, though it may tie more with there 40K release given that they exist in both system

[Eldarain]

Slaanesh mortals feel very conspicuous in their absence compared with the others.

I could definitely see them being a big part of the Slaanesh unleashed story.

[Neverchosen]

2 hours ago, Kramer said:

Slaanesh maybe? Some mortal units seem More and more likely to me. 

I personally feel all armies will get updated eventually but how that will look and when is up for debate; whereas I feel Tyrion and his ilk will be the obvious direction for Lumineth and Sigmar will probably just open another chamber. However, I did not include Slaanesh or Daughters of Khaine simply because we are aware of a relatively minor update for both already. But in all fairness, I did use the announced update of Underworlds as proof for Lumineth so I should have applied it to those factions as well. 

I have stated before that I hope for Slaanesh mortals. I would personally want them to be Aelven and possibly even follow Malerion (I will always argue that Slaanesh will have tried to exert some influence over Malerion, the question is will the Lord of Pleasure have succeeded in stroking Malerion's pride?). But with the the new hero and what we have seen of the Underworld's Warband, I am now suspecting that wont be the case. 😢

Edited September 6, 2020 by Neverchosen

[silverstu]

3 hours ago, Thiagoma said:

But correct me if i am wrong, but have GW ever outright said anything about another wave for any army?

Yeah they said that around the Kharadron release as well -that that was it for now. Encouraging.

Hopefully we'll see second waves for armies soon with these new books/new edition.

[alghero81]

3 hours ago, Overread said:

it does happen, but often as not they are more retirements that get amalgamated into another force by some means. 

In WHFB was any army lost before the 8th edition lost? Not considering Kislev or Araby that never had real rules for the main game.

Edited September 6, 2020 by alghero81

[Eldarain]

The fact Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children have been hinted at in the lead up to 9th 40k and we know the AoS Slaanesh/Aelves storyline is advancing I'll be shocked if there isn't some crossover minis released.

[Overread]

12 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

In WHFB was any army lost before the 8th edition lost? Not considering Kislev or Araby that never had real rules for the main game.

Far as I recall Kislev did get a proper army book of their own so they were lost. Dogs of War were also lost I believe and had a full army book. It did happen, but it was rare and often armies just got sort of merged into others or such. Heck if one looks at 40K the only army to be lost in years has been Squats. Even so along the way we've lost some things like themed Imperial Guard regiments; but that's only themed models of the same core of troops so the army itself has persisted. 

Old World to AoS was a very unique situation and not something I would expect to see happen again unless GW was to hit very bad economic times. Barring GW ending select specialist games where upon I'd expect them to drop the entire model line. 

[novakai]

If we go like way back I think Fimirs where  also an army that GW drop and discontinued. 

[Grim Beasties]

1 hour ago, novakai said:

If we go like way back I think Fimirs where  also an army that GW drop and discontinued. 

It still feels awful that Fimir had a chance to be a full army and never did. I really loved their design and lore (excluding a certain part of the lore), was glad I got the FW models though.

But who knows, there's always Underworlds to give Fimir a chance again.

[Beliman]

7 hours ago, alghero81 said:

In WHFB was any army lost before the 8th edition lost? Not considering Kislev or Araby that never had real rules for the main game.

It's all about what "lost" means to you.
I think that Bretonia didn't recieve anything since 6th edition (maybe some fluffy lists in the End Times books?), so they were a popular "compendium" army since 7th edition.

[alghero81]

I had a quick look, obviously I was not there since the beginning of WHFB, but excluding FW and WD (Kislev was only published there) then only Dogs of War was discontinued. While Bretonnia never received an army book since 6th, was still a “playable” army in 8th...

Some armies however got remodelling through the years. I think it’s safe to say that we have two types of discontinuation:

- the disband of entire armies like passing from WHFB to AoS, unlikely to happen again safe disasters, and extremely rare outside of those events

- the not in depth update of certain legacy armies, extremely possible but only once we move to a new edition. This does not make them unplayable, only really unbalanced

All in all seems an healthy place to me so far. I’m still convinced Legions will be eventually replaced by something else, I’m just curious to understand what that will be...

[EccentricCircle]

Chaos Dwarves eventually got picked up by forge world, but they were discontinued for almost a decade before coming back. After the 90s big hat range were dropped the only new models were the hellcanon crew. They had rules in ravening hordes, but that was it until Turmurkhan came out around 2010 I want to say?

[Jator]

5 hours ago, Grim Beasties said:

 

But who knows, there's always Underworlds to give Fimir a chance again.

I think Blood Bowl has better odds (although still slim) to see Fimirs, they´re even mentioned in one Spike!. Most likely just a nod but who knows, it's clear GW wants to make new teams, and they're rescuing many bits from old lore (zoats in 40k!)

  And there´s The Old World but is soon to speculate about it.

[Beliman]

14 minutes ago, EccentricCircle said:

Chaos Dwarves eventually got picked up by forge world, but they were discontinued for almost a decade before coming back. After the 90s big hat range were dropped the only new models were the hellcanon crew. They had rules in ravening hordes, but that was it until Turmurkhan came out around 2010 I want to say?

I think that Storm of Chaos had rules for the Hellcanon too.
 

34 minutes ago, alghero81 said:

While Bretonnia never received an army book since 6th, was still a “playable” army in 8th..

100% agree, that's why I said it depends on what "lost" means to you.
We have compendium armies that are 100% playable but I'm will not advise anyone buying anyone of them exclusively for AoS.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Beliman

[Skreech Verminking]

11 hours ago, novakai said:

All chaos army probably will get there Gor units eventually too, though it may tie more with there 40K release given that they exist in both system

I can’t wait till they release a Skaven gor😂