The Rumour Thread

[Causalis]

Any rumours regarding the new Tzeentch book? It baffles me that we haven't seen any rules leaks yet. 

Or anything on my beloved Gitz? I had really hoped for a new book only to get disappointed that SoB get their second book already while my little green losers are still the bottom of the barrel... 

[Nezzhil]

3 minutes ago, Causalis said:

Any rumours regarding the new Tzeentch book? It baffles me that we haven't seen any rules leaks yet. 

Or anything on my beloved Gitz? I had really hoped for a new book only to get disappointed that SoB get their second book already while my little green losers are still the bottom of the barrel... 

No and no.

[Causalis]

3 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

No and no.

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined. 

[Pariah7echo]

1 hour ago, KingBrodd said:

Seasons of War Thondia has already started stoking the fires of the narrative teasing this and I believe the eventual sequel books will keep setting up BOC to have a range refresh at the end of 2023 or early 2024 before 4.0 drops OR they are the big bad in the boxed set with a joint Stormcasts and COS against Beasts of Chaos.

Hear me out, AOS 4.0 starter Malerion Vs BOC. It'll sell better than Indomitus did. If for no other reason than I'm buying 6. Granted I really don't wanna wait till 2024 for it.

[KingBrodd]

36 minutes ago, Pariah7echo said:

Hear me out, AOS 4.0 starter Malerion Vs BOC. It'll sell better than Indomitus did. If for no other reason than I'm buying 6. Granted I really don't wanna wait till 2024 for it.

Honestly Updated Mortal Humans for COS will probably be one of the best selling lines in WHFB/AOS.

 

[MitGas]

I think GW made a gigantic mistake by keeping Warcry so focused on Chaos, when they should‘ve pushed it even more into Kill Team territory. I know, you can play it with other figures but new releases of other stuff  other than Chaos cultists would’ve been really cool.  I just think back to the reaction people had for the Dark Aelfs. Last thing Slaves needs are more useless cultists (and frankly, with the upcoming kits the army is extremely healthy, definitely up there with Stormcast) and other armies could‘ve gotten much needed kits this way, especially if they added a few options into them (like with the special kill teams that are based on existing units). 
 

I know, I once again sound like I rant but it‘s just lamenting a (so far) missed chance. Like with Kill Team, where I bought other stuff than just Tzeentch, I‘d be open to playing Warcry (apparently the rules are better than KT too) and then getting cool new stuff next to my mandatory Tzeentch forces. Maybe cute rats, Witch Hunters, other non-birb Beastmen, Seraphon or something else. It‘s the perfect excuse after all… 

 

[Clan's Cynic]

Speaking of Warcry, Wayland Games have Heart of Ghur in a 30% off sale for those holding off on picking it up, as well as the Broken Realms books.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Clan's Cynic

[Gaz Taylor]

5 hours ago, Gotz said:

was listening the other day to a interview with ex GW sculptor Juan Díaz and one interesting bit that was talked about was how best selling minis were renewed more frequently than poorly sold ones (in this case they were pointing at his mini of Lelith Hesperax)

As the logic was to renew what sold, so it could continue selling, but don't renew what didn't as it seems that they didn't have much faith that the renewal made them sell...

That’s quite interesting and looking at things, it does make sense. Granted I don’t know the full details of how GW operates but it does sort of make sense how they will keep a kit in service for as long as possible. Do you have a source?

 

[Ogregut]

13 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:

That’s quite interesting and looking at things, it does make sense. Granted I don’t know the full details of how GW operates but it does sort of make sense how they will keep a kit in service for as long as possible. Do you have a source?

 

I'll be interested in a link to the interview as well. 

One thing to remember however is Juan left GW 9 years ago, alot could have changed in that time. 

[Flippy]

47 minutes ago, MitGas said:

I think GW made a gigantic mistake by keeping Warcry so focused on Chaos, when they should‘ve pushed it even more into Kill Team territory.

So true. I checked the game a while ago and once I learned it's just Chaos vs Chaos all the way I immediately lost interest. Give me proper warbands for my AoS factions and I'm more than willing to do a nice skirmish and hand over some cash to GW.

[Nezzhil]

46 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Speaking of Warcry, Wayland Games have Heart of Ghur in a 30% off sale for those holding off on picking it up, as well as the Broken Realms books.

That's because the Core Book is coming alone besides the next Warcry Boxset soon

[Gothmaug]

1 hour ago, KingBrodd said:

Honestly Updated Mortal Humans for COS will probably be one of the best selling lines in WHFB/AOS.

 

I wish they'd give us an update. The previous one, was in what? April? May? And they stated they would show us the development process, buts its been quiet since then. 

 

My guess? Mortal humans will be the New Army Launch for AOS 4th edition in 2024. 

[Asbestress]

17 minutes ago, Gothmaug said:

I wish they'd give us an update. The previous one, was in what? April? May? And they stated they would show us the development process, buts its been quiet since then. 

 

My guess? Mortal humans will be the New Army Launch for AOS 4th edition in 2024. 

Pretty sure that would put them in mid-2024, which doesn't really seem to make sense with them annoucing this so early.
Now, if they were teased in late-2023, then I could see them being for 4th.
 

My personal theory is that they will release in 2023 (February-April at the earliest, November at the latest), as spring/fall is when they like to release new armies (based on the fact that Votann, Sisters of Battle. Lumineth, Soulblight, Sons of Behemat were all released either in the March-May or September-November timetables.)

[KingBrodd]

2 hours ago, MitGas said:

I think GW made a gigantic mistake by keeping Warcry so focused on Chaos, when they should‘ve pushed it even more into Kill Team territory. I know, you can play it with other figures but new releases of other stuff  other than Chaos cultists would’ve been really cool.  I just think back to the reaction people had for the Dark Aelfs. Last thing Slaves needs are more useless cultists (and frankly, with the upcoming kits the army is extremely healthy, definitely up there with Stormcast) and other armies could‘ve gotten much needed kits this way, especially if they added a few options into them (like with the special kill teams that are based on existing units). 
 

I know, I once again sound like I rant but it‘s just lamenting a (so far) missed chance. Like with Kill Team, where I bought other stuff than just Tzeentch, I‘d be open to playing Warcry (apparently the rules are better than KT too) and then getting cool new stuff next to my mandatory Tzeentch forces. Maybe cute rats, Witch Hunters, other non-birb Beastmen, Seraphon or something else. It‘s the perfect excuse after all… 

 

I completely agree mate. Lets see how quickly these Non-Chaos Warbands sell out this Edition!! Fingers crossed for Ogors and Troggoths!!

1 hour ago, Gothmaug said:

I wish they'd give us an update. The previous one, was in what? April? May? And they stated they would show us the development process, buts its been quiet since then. 

 

My guess? Mortal humans will be the New Army Launch for AOS 4th edition in 2024. 

I think we will get an update or two before the year is out.

39 minutes ago, Asbestress said:

Pretty sure that would put them in mid-2024, which doesn't really seem to make sense with them annoucing this so early.
Now, if they were teased in late-2023, then I could see them being for 4th.
 

My personal theory is that they will release in 2023 (February-April at the earliest, November at the latest), as spring/fall is when they like to release new armies (based on the fact that Votann, Sisters of Battle. Lumineth, Soulblight, Sons of Behemat were all released either in the March-May or September-November timetables.)

My guess is November 2023.

[Gothmaug]

58 minutes ago, Asbestress said:

Pretty sure that would put them in mid-2024, which doesn't really seem to make sense with them annoucing this so early.
Now, if they were teased in late-2023, then I could see them being for 4th.
 

My personal theory is that they will release in 2023 (February-April at the earliest, November at the latest), as spring/fall is when they like to release new armies (based on the fact that Votann, Sisters of Battle. Lumineth, Soulblight, Sons of Behemat were all released either in the March-May or September-November timetables.)

I don't know... Depends on how large of a release is planned and how much it affects the current AoS lore. GW has reached saturation point with Stormcast, to the point where new units are essentially duplicates of older, obsolete units. And their golem-like design has limited the modeler's creative space, there's only so many stoic knights you can make. Essentially their poster children are getting stale, and they never reached the fanatical following that Space Marines received (I blame it on the emotionless helmets  ) . A new Mortals of Sigmar line would allow an entire line refresh and a new creative avenue for the sculptors and designers. IF they are portrayed as integral allies to the stormcast, (replacing ranks within stormcast armies cut off from the Anvil), they could spin off another giant army release that would keep going for years. 

Also, deep down I think most people like the "heroes" to be human. For all their armor, space marines look and feel human. Sure they're genetically enhanced, but basically are just bigger, stronger humans, which fits every boy's idea of a hero/superhero. That makes them relatable.  Stormcast are not. Their angelic reincarnation in the lore makes them feel like outsiders, and unrelatable to real people (i.e. the actual players). A relaunch of "Sigmar allied Humans" would fit the bill of both a heroic host helping Sigmar on his crusade to save the mortal realms AND give the actual players a faction they can more easily relate to (Downtrodden humans rising up to fight the Oppressor's). Everyone likes that type of underdog fight. 

Whenever they decide to release it, the "Humans of Sigmar" faction is going to be huge AND popular. Just you watch, I'll lay this prediction now, that in 5 years time stormcast will be a dusty third tier army with few updates and Humans of Sigmar will reign supreme!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Twisted Firaun]

43 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

I completely agree mate. Lets see how quickly these Non-Chaos Warbands sell out this Edition!! Fingers crossed for Ogors and Troggoths!!

Don't forget the undead @KingBrodd! I for one hope for new grave guard or some kind of death cult unit. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Twisted Firaun

[GrimDork]

Would love to see conquistador/Estalian style CoS and Seraphon with Seraphon ship ruins!

[CommissarRotke]

4 hours ago, MitGas said:

I think GW made a gigantic mistake by keeping Warcry so focused on Chaos, when they should‘ve pushed it even more into Kill Team territory. I know, you can play it with other figures but new releases of other stuff  other than Chaos cultists would’ve been really cool.  I just think back to the reaction people had for the Dark Aelfs. Last thing Slaves needs are more useless cultists (and frankly, with the upcoming kits the army is extremely healthy, definitely up there with Stormcast) and other armies could‘ve gotten much needed kits this way, especially if they added a few options into them (like with the special kill teams that are based on existing units). 
 

I know, I once again sound like I rant but it‘s just lamenting a (so far) missed chance. Like with Kill Team, where I bought other stuff than just Tzeentch, I‘d be open to playing Warcry (apparently the rules are better than KT too) and then getting cool new stuff next to my mandatory Tzeentch forces. Maybe cute rats, Witch Hunters, other non-birb Beastmen, Seraphon or something else. It‘s the perfect excuse after all… 

 

I think they did too, at least after the initial release/season 1: like I mentioned earlier in this thread, the swamp Nurgle IS a cool idea but still feels flatter compared to any non-Chaos faction getting a swamp warband. It is this very weird space where expanding Chaos outside of the Big Four is kindof a huge thing lorewise, yet model/tabletop wise it can start to feel very boring. I also think naming 3.0 "Era of the Beast" and yet continuing to keep Warcry with Chaos was a huge misstep.

I get that there's delays, shipping problems, blah blah blah. Still not changing the fact that all of the meaty AOS releases this year are Chaos-aligned and aside from the Ogroids have essentially nothing to do with Beasts! They're not even releasing BL media centered on Beasts either (though I am glad the few BL stuff we got introduced new characters). Why name it this...

[MitGas]

1 hour ago, CommissarRotke said:

I think they did too, at least after the initial release/season 1: like I mentioned earlier in this thread, the swamp Nurgle IS a cool idea but still feels flatter compared to any non-Chaos faction getting a swamp warband. It is this very weird space where expanding Chaos outside of the Big Four is kindof a huge thing lorewise, yet model/tabletop wise it can start to feel very boring. I also think naming 3.0 "Era of the Beast" and yet continuing to keep Warcry with Chaos was a huge misstep.

I get that there's delays, shipping problems, blah blah blah. Still not changing the fact that all of the meaty AOS releases this year are Chaos-aligned and aside from the Ogroids have essentially nothing to do with Beasts! They're not even releasing BL media centered on Beasts either (though I am glad the few BL stuff we got introduced new characters). Why name it this...

Ultimately one of the major contributing factors why we all feel this way might be that due to Covid the release schedule seems to be messed up ... even though we still get new kits all the time, I'm not sure the focus is the right one. It's why I always complain about the same things as it feels so weird to see a few forces gets such preferential treatment. I feel with all the fans that got pretty much nothing since AoS launched. A single ogor hero for example after all this time feels wrong. That stings even me and I'm not even an ogor fan.

The Warcry Tzeentch group might be cool and all but the Cypher Lords are Tzeentchian according to White Dwarf magazine anyways (or lean heavily into that direction), so why do we need more if those resources could've been used to either create something we really NEED for Tzeentch or maybe give us something the setting truly needs - like a cool Skaven unit (or BoC)? Could have extra parts for a musician and standard bearer or similar "specialists" for an AOS unit and it would be a total win/win situation! It's an easy win too.

I understand that they produce stuff they know will sell.... but ancient sculpts outside of a few classics will never sell well... give those armies shiny new minis and suddenly people will either exchange their old ones or get a second army. Lots of AoS armies have appeal.

[KingBrodd]

3 hours ago, Twisted Firaun said:

Don't forget the undead @KingBrodd! I for one hope for new grave guard or some kind of death cult unit. 

New Grave Guard or Flesh Eater Courts in the early stages of the Delusion!!

2 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:

I think they did too, at least after the initial release/season 1: like I mentioned earlier in this thread, the swamp Nurgle IS a cool idea but still feels flatter compared to any non-Chaos faction getting a swamp warband. It is this very weird space where expanding Chaos outside of the Big Four is kindof a huge thing lorewise, yet model/tabletop wise it can start to feel very boring. I also think naming 3.0 "Era of the Beast" and yet continuing to keep Warcry with Chaos was a huge misstep.

I get that there's delays, shipping problems, blah blah blah. Still not changing the fact that all of the meaty AOS releases this year are Chaos-aligned and aside from the Ogroids have essentially nothing to do with Beasts! They're not even releasing BL media centered on Beasts either (though I am glad the few BL stuff we got introduced new characters). Why name it this...

Im waiting until Seraphon and Beasts release to decide my opinion on Era of the Beast. If they both dont get substantial updates then I honestly dont know why it was called such.

[Gotz]

6 hours ago, Gaz Taylor said:

That’s quite interesting and looking at things, it does make sense. Granted I don’t know the full details of how GW operates but it does sort of make sense how they will keep a kit in service for as long as possible. Do you have a source?

 

sure!

but it's a 2 part 5+ hours interview in spanish... 

If some one is interested I can try to check again for more interesting tidbits (the one about mini reesculpts is the one that stuck). 

 

 

[Jetlife]

Something that gets overlooked is the ability to sell new stuff compared to rescuplts….

For instance adding a new unit of Sylvaneth is probably more lucrative because it’s new. Newer army and newer units. 
 

Remaking Skaven or beastmen or insert army here won’t sell as well potentially, because people have had that army for a long time and will be more hesitant to go out and buy 60 more clanrats just because they are newer sculpts. I thinks that is why they stick with this 1 new hero plan. People will be willing to spend money on a new hero because it’s an easy addition or replacement for one unit. 

They are also aware that if they make one new unit for Skaven or Beastmen or ogres or whatever older army, that one to two new units won’t be enough to make people want to go out and buy the whole army since so much is outdated. Compared to Nighthaunt and Sylvaneth where you buy the new units and invest in the rest of army because units are more up to date already. 

I think the hard pill to swallow with GW is the Fan vs consumer. As a fan of AOS and everything asscociated with it, I want to see them pump out all this creative stuff and over saturate the game with new stuff. New ogres, new rats, beats etc. but reality is as a consumer I’m only going to buy so much stuff. They obviously know this and their goal is to make money above all else. And while they appear to reinvesting their profits into their bussiness by hiring new people and moving stuff in house, they can’t continue to make new products unless money keeps flowing in. Sad reality. 
 

I also really believe that they have a lot of stuff just waiting to be dropped. Problem is they can’t drop it all at once because people can’t afford to buy it all at once and new things lose their luster after a while. 
 

[EccentricCircle]

Single models may also be s way of testing the waters. They will know how many Skaven sell in each shop in each quarter, but that is an underestimation of how many people are actually interested in skaven, but already have them. 

Seeing who buys the book each cycle, and who grabs the new deathmaster as soon as it comes out likely tells them a lot about how much demand there is for a skaven update, and how worthwhile it is to produce.

[Mutton]

7 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Speaking of Warcry, Wayland Games have Heart of Ghur in a 30% off sale for those holding off on picking it up, as well as the Broken Realms books.

I am reminded of how absurd the GW "international tax" on their currency is. If I could buy stuff in the US that cost as much as the stuff discounted in the UK, I'd be buying models left and right.

[Sahrial]

1 hour ago, Jetlife said:

Something that gets overlooked is the ability to sell new stuff compared to rescuplts….

For instance adding a new unit of Sylvaneth is probably more lucrative because it’s new. Newer army and newer units. 
 

Remaking Skaven or beastmen or insert army here won’t sell as well potentially, because people have had that army for a long time and will be more hesitant to go out and buy 60 more clanrats just because they are newer sculpts. I thinks that is why they stick with this 1 new hero plan. People will be willing to spend money on a new hero because it’s an easy addition or replacement for one unit. 

They are also aware that if they make one new unit for Skaven or Beastmen or ogres or whatever older army, that one to two new units won’t be enough to make people want to go out and buy the whole army since so much is outdated. Compared to Nighthaunt and Sylvaneth where you buy the new units and invest in the rest of army because units are more up to date already. 

I think the hard pill to swallow with GW is the Fan vs consumer. As a fan of AOS and everything asscociated with it, I want to see them pump out all this creative stuff and over saturate the game with new stuff. New ogres, new rats, beats etc. but reality is as a consumer I’m only going to buy so much stuff. They obviously know this and their goal is to make money above all else. And while they appear to reinvesting their profits into their bussiness by hiring new people and moving stuff in house, they can’t continue to make new products unless money keeps flowing in. Sad reality. 
 

I also really believe that they have a lot of stuff just waiting to be dropped. Problem is they can’t drop it all at once because people can’t afford to buy it all at once and new things lose their luster after a while. 
 

Just my 2¢ but I think that underestimates how many people are waiting for an update to start collecting. No, the guy with 60 clanrats probably won’t rush out to buy stuff, but his friend who likes the army but wants newer stuff totally will. Guy number 1, also getting plastic skryre acolytes and updated jezzails? They’d grab those.

Then with Ogors, for example, those are relatively small model count armies, even when running infantry. Almost everyone would snatch up new gluttons, and even yhetees. Ironically i think a butcher hero refresh would have the lease success because so many people have had such success kitbashing them out of spare parts. I don’t know if I’ll ever use the new hunter, but I know one 100% gonna get one. Ogors are starving (pun intended) for an update.

i think BoC is somewhere inbetween.

Gors/ungors/bestigors wouldn’t see traction with an update, but the bullgors? Centigors? Cockatrice? All their monsters? Those are desperately in a state of “shut up and take my money” pending a new release, case in point: the S2D ogroids everyone wants as bullgors.

Just a few updates for each in 2022 sylvaneth sized waves could really bring in some currency.