The Rumour Thread

[Ogregut]

2 minutes ago, Howdyhedberg said:

No battleforces this year? Well that's ok, I don't have space for it anyway!

Do people think the tome after nurgle will be a new faction?

I wouldn't doubt if it's nighthaunt. Idoneth could be a good contender it it's an order faction. 

Battleforces are normally shown in the middle of November and released early Dec. 

My guess for the battletome after nurgle would be nighthaunt. 

[yukishiro1]

Nighthaunt, Gitz and Beasts need tomes the most, but that's almost never GW's criteria. 

[KingBrodd]

3 hours ago, Sigmarusvult said:

Poor Beast of Chaos 😔 already forgotten 😂

Definitely not forgotten!! I'd just be surprised if we got back to back Chaos Tomes. I'd rather wait another year or so for BOC if it meant a massive range refresh!

2 hours ago, Howdyhedberg said:

No battleforces this year? Well that's ok, I don't have space for it anyway!

Do people think the tome after nurgle will be a new faction?

I wouldn't doubt if it's nighthaunt. Idoneth could be a good contender it it's an order faction. 

I'm pretty certain it's going to be Nighthaunt. I think if there is a new Faction coming GW may want to wait untill there is some more stability with shipping. I doubt they want another Lumineth situation. 

2 hours ago, Ogregut said:

Battleforces are normally shown in the middle of November and released early Dec. 

My guess for the battletome after nurgle would be nighthaunt. 

I agree.

[Neverchosen]

Do the new Red Harvest rules include rules for Heroes and Monsters? 

Also help dissuade me from getting this as an impulse purchase... I cannot afford this set especially as the Warcry warbands tend to be terrible... ☹️

I should save up for Battleforces... I think I have a problem 😨

[novakai]

1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:

Do the new Red Harvest rules include rules for Heroes and Monsters? 

Also help dissuade me from getting this as an impulse purchase... I cannot afford this set especially as the Warcry warbands tend to be terrible... ☹️

I should save up for Battleforces... I think I have a problem 😨

no one is going to know until the NDA is lifted for reviewers to read the book to you

Edit: table of content @Neverchosen

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by novakai

[novakai]

3 hours ago, yukishiro1 said:

Nighthaunt, Gitz and Beasts need tomes the most, but that's almost never GW's criteria. 

the problem is you don't want to the be the first books in the edition or else you get powercreep that in 1 year and half time your back to complaining how bad your book is and need the 4th edition tome ASAP. better off being in the middle IMO

[Ogregut]

3 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Do the new Red Harvest rules include rules for Heroes and Monsters? 

Also help dissuade me from getting this as an impulse purchase... I cannot afford this set especially as the Warcry warbands tend to be terrible... ☹️

I should save up for Battleforces... I think I have a problem 😨

The box seems to be a limited run so I should think the terrain will be realesed separately and the warbands almost certainly will so whst do you really want from the box? 

You can get it seprately but pay a higher price. 

Can always buy the box and sell the bits you don't want. 

For me I want both warbands and the terrain and I don't play warcry, so the box is a no brainer really. 

[novakai]

36 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

The box seems to be a limited run so I should think the terrain will be realesed separately and the warbands almost certainly will so whst do you really want from the box? 

You can get it seprately but pay a higher price. 

Can always buy the box and sell the bits you don't want. 

For me I want both warbands and the terrain and I don't play warcry, so the box is a no brainer really. 

i don't believe they every resold the first warcry terrain separately once the starter set was sold out or even from the Necromunda SC. technically Catecombs has half of the terrain set from the starter set and still avaliable but that because Catecomb never sold out to begin with.

[Neverchosen]

46 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

The box seems to be a limited run so I should think the terrain will be realesed separately and the warbands almost certainly will so whst do you really want from the box? 

You can get it seprately but pay a higher price. 

Can always buy the box and sell the bits you don't want. 

For me I want both warbands and the terrain and I don't play warcry, so the box is a no brainer really. 

Good point, for me it is more of an issue of resources and space. I love the set and both warbands but I also have somethings I like equally as much and with the upcoming Battleforces for a similar value I can get many more models. I think that this box will not be too difficult to track down so I may hold off temporarily before I make my decision. I still want to get a unit of Varanguard, Aetherwings and find a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak... 🤔

[Ggom]

The darkoath are exciting to me because I like the idea of chaos barbarians and they are like the inheritors of the chaos marauders. I bet they are great for ToW proxies too down the road. 

[EMMachine]

2 hours ago, novakai said:

i don't believe they every resold the first warcry terrain separately once the starter set was sold out or even from the Necromunda SC. technically Catecombs has half of the terrain set from the starter set and still avaliable but that because Catecomb never sold out to begin with.

They resold the buildings in form of the Azyrite Ruined Chapel and Shattered Plaza. The only difference was that the Warcrybox combined parts of both boxes instead of using the parts of one of those kits.

The Sprue with the Sigmarite Head wasn't sold seperatly as well as the one with the chaos tainted ruins and bridges (but that one was used again in the Katacombs Box).

[Indecisive]

Normally those 4chan rumours are a bust, but this one might have been on to something.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/81869700/#81869975 

That was one day before the Slaughterguy reveal, not the most unbelievable of guesses but right off the bat not blatantly wrong like most "leaks" from that site.
 

[zilberfrid]

7 minutes ago, Indecisive said:

Normally those 4chan rumours are a bust, but this one might have been on to something.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/81869700/#81869975 

That was one day before the Slaughterguy reveal, not the most unbelievable of guesses but right off the bat not blatantly wrong like most "leaks" from that site.
 

Oof. I never went to 4chan before, and will never do so again. That's a concentration of toxic in the few posts I read.

Thank you guys for not being that!

[cyrus]

9 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

At least we can ponder now what the next Battletome is likely to be. I'm assuming either Order or Death. If Death itll most likely be Nighthaunt.

Idoneth are still "first edition" as Maggotkin:  so they are a safe bet.

I believe they will announce battleforce mid November, this week are still running "warhammer day" discounted  boxes.

[edmc78]

31 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

Oof. I never went to 4chan before, and will never do so again. That's a concentration of toxic in the few posts I read.

Thank you guys for not being that!

I know right? Reddit is bad enough but wow

[JackStreicher]

5 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I should save up for Battleforces... I think I have a problem 😨

Save your money for the Battleforce. This Warcry box is too expensive.

[zilberfrid]

14 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Save your money for the Battleforce. This Warcry box is too expensive.

It all depends on what you want to do. The Battleforce box is useless for Warcry, and the Warcry box is barely functional for AoS.

Positively; the Battleforce box will be good for AoS, while the Warcry box gives you much of what you need for Warcry.

Edited November 2, 2021 by zilberfrid

[silverstu]

2 hours ago, Indecisive said:

Normally those 4chan rumours are a bust, but this one might have been on to something.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/81869700/#81869975 

That was one day before the Slaughterguy reveal, not the most unbelievable of guesses but right off the bat not blatantly wrong like most "leaks" from that site.
 

Cheers! Interesting! For those who don't want to go there the quote is [edited for language]

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The red harvest is about spider [removed] versus ordinary darkoath tribes
After that there will be warcry 2.0
Nighthaunt will not be that soon and they will be pitted against Lumineth.
Expect major release for sylvaneth but no kurnothi. Lady of vines will have a model

No Kurnothi would be a shame but at the same time I think they could do a lot more with Sylvaneth. 

Still hoping for something dwarf-y in 2022, squats or new Grungni Dwarfs. 

I wonder if they intend to add more war bands to War Cry and are they going to stick to just chaos- it has more of a Necromunda type feel of gangs rather than Killteam at the moment. 

[Ledgington]

£130 is pricy, but not terribly surprising when you compare it with Kill Team: Chalnath’s £105 price tag. The boxes have roughly the same amount of models, books and counters the difference is Chalnath’s rather sparse and dull terrain and the amazing terrain in Red Harvest. You’re paying £25 for the terrain. It is a decent chunk of plastic but it depends if that’s worth it to you. I really like the look of the set but I’m definitely going for the 20% discount. GW would have to offer a pretty amazing preorder bonus to get me to order it from their website. Also I think some of the quarrying terrain would look amazing on a board based in any Realm save Azyr.

Personally I didn’t pick up Catacombs because I didn’t want anymore of the terrain from the starter kit and I wasn’t that interested in the war bands. I just bought the Catacombs specific terrain, broad and book on eBay.

If GW is producing a 2.0 rule set for WarCry I hope they focus on sorting out the balance issue that comes with the number of fighters/activations. Maybe add more thralls based on grand alliance that every war band can use. And a little extra complexity wouldn’t hurt while keeping it simple and fast paced, maybe something in the vain of Marvel Crisis Protocol (a nice system, but marvel superheroes feel a little creatively bankrupt to me. Plus I’m not sure how they’re going to keep it going once they’ve worked their way through the 50 Marvel characters anyone cares about). 

 

[Yondaime]

i really hoped for the khorne tome

 

khorne rule are so outdated its like you are playing two different games

Big muscular guys with unholy rage and weapons bigger than a truck have 0 rend lol

 

Really happy for the nurgle bros but i will be stuck for the next 3+ month at best with an old and outdated army

[EMMachine]

12 hours ago, Sigmarusvult said:

Poor Beast of Chaos 😔 already forgotten 😂

Why forgotten? Maggotkin of Nurgle was released before the 2. Edition was released while Beasts of Chaos was the third 2.0 Battletome. Maggotkin has basicly played with an Edition 1.5 Battletome all the time (like Idoneth Deepkin as well).

12 minutes ago, Yondaime said:

i really hoped for the khorne tome

 

khorne rule are so outdated its like you are playing two different games

Big muscular guys with unholy rage and weapons bigger than a truck have 0 rend lol

 

Really happy for the nurgle bros but i will be stuck for the next 3+ month at best with an old and outdated army

Do Blades of Khorne (March 2019) really feel older than Maggotkin of Nurgle and Beasts of Chaos (both released in 2018)

[Yondaime]

1 minute ago, EMMachine said:

Why forgotten? Maggotkin of Nurgle was released before the 2. Edition was released while Beasts of Chaos was the third 2.0 Battletome. Maggotkin has basicly played with an Edition 1.5 Battletome all the time (like Idoneth Deepkin as well).

Do Blades of Khorne (March 2019) really feel older than Maggotkin of Nurgle and Beasts of Chaos (both released in 2018)

Boc absolutely not, probably there is nothing worse than boc atm, but if you see the winrates khorne is slightly above

Nurgle (or legion of the first prince) had some competitive play yes, most list use/spam plaguebearers and sloppity

 

The main difference is that nurgle may be outdated but its still very solid, plaguebeares are really hard to kill and its really, REALLY mobile

 

Khorne have none of these things, its slow, made of wet paper, hit/wound really bad and have low rend, even bts that are the manifestation of close combat and martial prowness hit on 4 lol

[zilberfrid]

39 minutes ago, Yondaime said:

i really hoped for the khorne tome

 

khorne rule are so outdated its like you are playing two different games

Big muscular guys with unholy rage and weapons bigger than a truck have 0 rend lol

 

Really happy for the nurgle bros but i will be stuck for the next 3+ month at best with an old and outdated army

Oh, but rend is way too overpowered! Here, have some mortal wounds on hit instead.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

12 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

At least we can ponder now what the next Battletome is likely to be. I'm assuming either Order or Death. If Death itll most likely be Nighthaunt.

I decided to make another "How likely are they to get a battletome soon?" tier list after the Nurgle reveal:

Here's my reasoning:

Most likely

These armies have substantial rumours attached to them and other evidence counting in their favour.

Nighthaunt: Lots of rumour engines recently. Old book. Feels like they were kinda snubbed during the FAQ period, which sometimes means a tome is on the way. If we are pattern seeking: So far we have gone Order-Destruction-Chaos in 3rd edition. Death could make sense, and they did one tome of ever GA at the start of 2nd.

Idoneth: Literally just that one rumour with lava flowing into the sea. Although IDK are an old book and have received a bunch of rules updates that would be nice to consolidate into a single book. They could do with a model line expansion as well. In 2nd edition, the 4th battletome was Gloomspite, which came with a substantial model release, so it's possible timing-wise.

Narratively foreshadowed:

The armies in this category don't have any substantial rumours indicating that we should expect them soon, but they are set up in the narrative to be revamped at some point. Dwarves are rumoured to come in summer. Dawnbringer Crusades might be soon, might be never. Their release might coincide with the human underworlds warband, which comes out Q2 '22 at the earliest.

Otherwise likely:

These armies are neither set up in the narrative nor is there a lot of evidence that would indicate a battletome release, but their age and jankyness make them good candidates.

Beasts of Chaos: Missed out on a battletome this time around, which I think means they are further down the line. Still a prime candidate for a larger release, though.

Khorne: Janky old rules that don't play like you would expect Khorne to play. A prime candidate for a more simple, cleaned up 3rd edition tome. Apparently, and underworlds warband is in the works, but some time off.

Gloomspite Gitz: We are in the Destruction edition, right? Gitz are probably the Destruction tome most in need of an update, but they are unlikely to get the next battletome. Check again in half a year or so and they might be contenders.

Not surprising:

The armies in this tier kind of need a new tome and if they jumped the queue it would not be a surprise, but it's unlikely they will get a new tome soon. Ogors kinda want more and new models, but they play OK and their sculpts are still fine. Skaven have a huge range that needs a large overhaul at some point, but they are playable and have the potential for diverse lists even at this point in time. OBR have a small range and janky rules in the context of 3rd edition. FEC are FEC, they only have, like, three kits but somehow they make it work.

No indication:

These armies might get a new tome, but nothing suggests they will. I think they are both less likely to get one than anything in the tier above.

Sylvaneth: Just got a model in BR Kragnos and got their rules tinkered with a lot in the FAQ, which I think means they are supposed to hold out with what they got for a while. Even though they are this low, they are the most likely Order army to get an update outside of Dorfs, Dawnbringers and IDK, though. They could squeak in before any one of these factions, though probably not before all of them at once.

Tzeentch: Their tome is still pretty recent and competitive, but they have the potential for a mortals-focussed expansion. That might not even happen this edition, though.

Will not get a tome:

These factions either have tomes that are fairly fresh, or have recently received tome celestial updates in White Dwarf. Out of all of them, it would probably be the least surprising if Soulblight jumped the queue and got a second wave of models.

Sir not appearing in this film:

There are rumours of Malerion joining the fray in summer.

A new Destruction faction is probably fairly likely at some point during this edition.

[Yondaime]

12 minutes ago, zilberfrid said:

Oh, but rend is way too overpowered! Here, have some mortal wounds on hit instead.

Who? skullreapers? the unit that cost 5 models 205 pt and have no rend so if you are not lucky and dont roll 6s most likely youll do close to 0 damage? in this meta they will be dead even before reaching the enemy

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by Yondaime