Nin Win Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 38 minutes ago, mystycalchemy said: It seems like a lot of people got their hands on battletomes? Or is there a leak with a buncha pictures somewhere that everyone's referencing? Games Workshop sends advance copies to youtube channels, podcasters, bloggers and similar content creators so they can cover the book in question as it enters preorder and release. Also some stores get advance copies people can look at to get excited about what they might buy if it sparks a cool idea. I'd recommend the review episode of the Facehammer Podcast. It's very thorough. http://facehammer.co.uk/2018/07/01/episode-58-stormcast-eternals-battletome-review/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystycalchemy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Nin Win said: Games Workshop sends advance copies to youtube channels, podcasters, bloggers and similar content creators so they can cover the book in question as it enters preorder and release. Also some stores get advance copies people can look at to get excited about what they might buy if it sparks a cool idea. I'd recommend the review episode of the Facehammer Podcast. It's very thorough. http://facehammer.co.uk/2018/07/01/episode-58-stormcast-eternals-battletome-review/ Thanks, I'll try and give it a listen if I get time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthethird Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Ah, the infamous Stormcast hate. It’s a wonder those folks haven’t got it out of their system by now after having two solid years of crying into their 4th Edition WFB duvet covers. ? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthethird Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I for one am happy with some of the point movements elsewhere within order. An Archmage at 100 is going to make it in to a few lists. At 100 the Relictor is probably still under costed IMO. 400 for 6 Palladors is now a pretty solid deal. Does anyone know if their mortal wound output is now on a natural roll like the Retributor? If so then there really is zero worth in bringing that Neave Blacktalon battalion that could buff it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, tamthethird said: I for one am happy with some of the point movements elsewhere within order. An Archmage at 100 is going to make it in to a few lists. At 100 the Relictor is probably still under costed IMO. 400 for 6 Palladors is now a pretty solid deal. Does anyone know if their mortal wound output is now on a natural roll like the Retributor? If so then there really is zero worth in bringing that Neave Blacktalon battalion that could buff it. yeah, everything is on a natural roll 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthethird Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Thanks! Ah well, guess if there’s no point in the Battalion then that’s 160 points to spend elsewhere... Regarding Retributors... I mean, I will buy some Evocators because I like the models and the Wizard capability; but I’ll still field my Retributers because I have the models and my magic money tree which allows me to replace everything I own with the most hard-edged, min-maxed new hotness has shrivelled up and died in the uncommonly warm summer weather. Whelp. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richelieu Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I think the greatest strength of Stormcast now is going to be forcing your opponent to deploy in a way that minimizes their losses on turn 1 rather than positioning for objectives. In addition to hammers of sigmar, astral Templars will also have a solid alpha with their 6" pregame move. A mortal wound bomb will also probably be competitive, but I think it will take some tweaking. Maybe an endless spell heavy warbringers list with the wizard battalion, cel prime and drakesworn. From what I've seen of the Geminids they are every bit as powerful as people thought they would be. I also wouldn't discount a 60 sequitor list with Castellants and Arcanums to buff them. I really think there are just a ton of options out there now. The buff to Knight Azyros is huge now that it includes melee and you are guaranteed to be able to drop him in range with scions. I could go on and on, but needless to say I think we got buffed immensely. One last thing: Shock and awe. I just can't overstate how powerful this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Has there been any change in how dual-wielding weapons is handled for Liberators, as with how they currently are, it seems like the Knights Excelsior rules essentially render them obsolete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 any info for the sacrosanct cavalry unit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradipo322 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Morovir said: Has there been any change in how dual-wielding weapons is handled for Liberators, as with how they currently are, it seems like the Knights Excelsior rules essentially render them obsolete? They now gets an extra attack on rolls of 6 instead of rerolls of 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlanceOnASix Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 What do you guys feel is the better option with Sequitors, the 3 attack 3s/3s/-/1 dmg hammers. Or 4 attack 3s/4s/-/1 dmg swords. Thinking if I should clip the maces off my boys or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Sequitor Swords should always be better. Even with zero buffs 3 attacks wounding on 4+ is better than 2 attacks wounding at 3+. When you add in wound buffs like Empower and Celestial Blades the swords pull even further ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadanga Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Someone did the math earlier and swords come out on top by small margin. If you are going to buff their chance to-wound swords definetly come out on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 So the Warrior Brotherhood is still legal... Setting up a unit with Lightning Strike is different than setting it up with Scions, so RAW you can do a 1 drop null deployment army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadanga Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, PJetski said: So the Warrior Brotherhood is still legal... Setting up a unit with Lightning Strike is different than setting it up with Scions, so RAW you can do a 1 drop null deployment army Same goes for the Skyborne Slayers. We still havn't seen our Battletomes FAQ yet tho, it might change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine7six Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 anyone seen updated points/scroll for the errant-questor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DioRa Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Just wanted to hear some thoughts about potential 4 balistae lists paired up with an overpriced ordinator and an allied Celestal Hurricanum with battlemage? Suddenly those Balistae can snipe heroes at 36" on a 2+, ignoring the look out sir, or just pump out dice on a 3+ at 18" range. I can understand that this is a silly venture to begin with. But I do think the celestal hurricanum can prove to be a valid asset to any attempt of a gunline and it's a mage in addition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceytrixx Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 50 minutes ago, DioRa said: Just wanted to hear some thoughts about potential 4 balistae lists paired up with an overpriced ordinator and an allied Celestal Hurricanum with battlemage? Suddenly those Balistae can snipe heroes at 36" on a 2+, ignoring the look out sir, or just pump out dice on a 3+ at 18" range. I can understand that this is a silly venture to begin with. But I do think the celestal hurricanum can prove to be a valid asset to any attempt of a gunline and it's a mage in addition! I've used the hurricanum in a gunline before. Alongside an Ordinator and 2 Helstorms along with longstrikes and judicators and at one point 30 Handgunners in a mixed list. It's an absolute mortal wound machine in addition to its buffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack02 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, GlanceOnASix said: What do you guys feel is the better option with Sequitors, the 3 attack 3s/3s/-/1 dmg hammers. Or 4 attack 3s/4s/-/1 dmg swords. Thinking if I should clip the maces off my boys or not. Swords are strictly superior baseline, but I will add that if you start buffing the # of attacks, hammers pull ahead after +2 (and equal at +1). Not sure what the restriction on spamming CPs are, but it could make a small difference if you're dumping everything into one big combat phase. 4 hammers at 3/3 = 1.78 dmg 5 swords at 3/4 = 1.67 dmg Edited July 4, 2018 by Freejack02 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielFM Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Btw another of those small, almost ghost buffs. Aethereal Stalker affects an enemy unit, not an enemy hero. A lot less restrictive now; I have spent games without a good target for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) Guys 1 question. If you play hammers of sigmar stormhost and a redeemer unit dies. You use 1 cp and roll, on 5+ it comes back. Lets say the roll fails, can you use the command ability again for the same unit? So if you have 3 cp roll 3 times? Edited July 4, 2018 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richelieu Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The difference between swords and maces on sequitors is largely academic. If the unit is large, odds are you won't get any in range to attack because they'll be behind all your great maces. And if the unit is small? The difference between 4 mace and 6 sword attacks is miniscule (0.1111 dmg average vs 4+ save). My advice is build them the way that looks cool to you! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajann Valoris Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 4 hours ago, nine7six said: anyone seen updated points/scroll for the errant-questor? I've managed to get my hands on a Battletome, and I can confirm that the Errant-Questor is not listed in the units list. So at the moment we don't have an updated datasheet or points... Sadly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalassic Monstrosity Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 9 hours ago, tamthethird said: Ah, the infamous Stormcast hate. It’s a wonder those folks haven’t got it out of their system by now after having two solid years of crying into their 4th Edition WFB duvet covers. ? Those covers were limited edition, sir. Show some respect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richelieu Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Erdemo86 said: Guys 1 question. If you play hammers of sigmar stormhost and a redeemer unit dies. You use 1 cp and roll, on 5+ it comes back. Lets say the roll fails, can you use the command ability again for the same unit? So if you have 3 cp roll 3 times? An interesting question, I'll have to look at the exact wording once I get my copy of the battletome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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