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  1. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    They are amazing against elite armies, and speed bumps for horde type armies. If your opponent is counting on sneaking a unit into the back field and doing a sneak attack, they can completely unravel those plans. But if you’re facing some “tide” type army that just sort of washes over you, they are almost non existent. I consider them to be subtle units, to use with subtle tactics. In general I’m not sure how I feel about the list I brought to masters. It’s a good list but it still doesn’t seem to address the core problems I’ve been having. I’m still thinking about it.
  2. Mark Williams

    Kharadran Overlords Embarking rule and deployment.

    I haven’t played 40k in a few years. I didn’t realise they changed it.
  3. Mark Williams

    Kharadran Overlords Embarking rule and deployment.

    Even in 40k, the way I have played transports is that I only set them up at the same time if the transport was purchased as part of the unit. Otherwise, I put the transport on the table and then deploy units in subsequent turns inside of it. Nevertheless I agree with how it’s worded. It just seems like a loophole to me...
  4. The rules for ships say that you can set up a ship and declare which units are in the ship. I as playing someone tonight who used the wording of the rule to shorten the deployment process, by putting a ship on the table and several units into the ship as well. Is this possible without a battalion? I had thought that you would put a ship down then "deploy" each unit in the ship separately .
  5. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    Ironically, even though we just got a new battletome, it's out of date. Nothing is balanced or makes sense across units when you compare them to each other. The new stuff, in general, is quite a bit better than the old stuff.
  6. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    I did face a hailstorm battery in a tournament once, and provided that it doesn't get assaulted or attacked and removed off the table quickly, it can deliver a very powerful "punch" when dropping from the scions. The problem is that it isn't a gaurantee unless you take at least 6 castigators, and you're basically paying 140 +100+160+130 for a unit that would do about the same damage if you just dropped 4 ballistas from the sky instead (actually, I'm pretty sure the 4 ballistas would do more). You might save a few drops from your deployment, and you might even get some good use out of an artefact. But the stormcast artefacts in general are pretty underwhelming, and I think it's "iffy" as to whether the juice is worth the squeeze....
  7. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    The first tournament I played in this year had a 500 point sideboard. You could mix and match anything as long as you were exactly the right points. You couldn’t see each other’s final lists until the start of game, but you knew what type of army they played and what their list plus sideboard was. So you’d have a pretty good idea of what you’d be facing.
  8. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    As I understand it, the game that he lost, he lost almost instantly. So yes it has a weakness, and I did try to exploit it in my game, which might’ve worked except of course that I was forced to go for the heroes. So when I did finally get to them I wasn’t able to put damage into them like I would have wanted to. The interesting thing to me is that he very, very hard countered a few armies that previously might’ve won the tournament, so he was basically an anti-meta list.
  9. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    See attached image. Without understanding exactly how it functions, I imagine someone might do very poorly with them. The entire army is essentially a guard for the general and raptors. Half the units that started off the table were placed around them after they relocated, so basically were replacement chaff designed ti try to bait you into getting gummed up in useless fights. A very clever list imo.
  10. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    Day 2 of NZ Masters tournament. Game 4 - vs Anvils Stormcast Mission was Three Places of Power. Opponent’s list was a lord aquillor and 9 Longstrike raptors. 2 knight encantors, a knight azyros, and an allied Phoenix. I took first turn and dropped my shooting in order to try to clear away his chaff. I got double turned at this point and he shot about half my on board army and relocated to the side of the board while also bringing down more chaff to protect his raptors. He captured all the objectives by second turn. I pushed forward and tried to get a double turn to stop him getting points on turn 3 but failed the roll. Turn 3 I dropped my army, captured 2 objectives. Won priority for turn 4 and killed his last 2 heroes. I screwed up allocating evocator lightning blasts to his raptors, allowing him to remove them from combat. I lost priority for turn 5 and he shot one of my characters off the objective, which caused me to lose. I had 2 things I could have done to win the game, but made poor decisions, which cost me. Game 5 - vs Idoneth Deepkin Star Strike. All eel list with two of the tall aspect characters (attack one and caster one) and volturnos. Not much to say. I dropped some shooting and killed 2 eels. He killed half of my on board close range shooting on the counter assault. I dropped my evocators and killed the aspect of the storm, lost priority for turn 3 and got tabled by Volturnos and eels. My prime dropped down in turn 3 and tried to take an objective, but died to 3 eels before getting to attack. Instantly lost the game at this point. We played it out for the hell of it. Tabled completely on turn 4. Sad game, haven’t been tabled that quickly in almost a year. I think I killed 6 eels and the storm total. Summary and Thoughts I placed 15th out of 20 overall. My opponents placed 20th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, and 10th in that order, so I played some very tough opponents and at the start of the 2nd day had a shot at top 5 at least. I’m most sore against the loss to death, due to the fact that I feel getting to bring entire units back from the grave is not fair, because of how much of my army I have to sacrifice in order to kill them. It’s an unfair trade, and losing the game like that leaves me feeling a bit cheated. Concerning the Anvils shooting raptors list that I faced in the 4th game, it was a stronger list for the meta that we were in, and the game was an uphill battle from the start. I had to play an utterly perfect game to win, and he on the other hand just had to wait for one mistake. I concede that my list is therefore inferior to his, and this is at least one example of a shooting Stormcast list that’s better than using Gav bomb variants. The game against the eels was a hard counter to me. I think it’s possible that I would automatically lose every game I played against him. I have no tactical option to approach them as they are in cover on turn 1 and basically “gods” on turn 3. The only thing I could have done was just run away from him and made it hard to table me..? I don’t know what to say honestly. I’d say it feels broken to the point of absurdity, but he didn’t place well overall, so I’m inclined to think it’s just a “paper covers rock” scenario, and I basically would just automatically lose any tournament in which I faced that army with my particular list. Sucks. I have no thoughts towards improving my list at this point. I like the way it plays, and I was able to fight 3 people who’ve won tournaments to a standstill with it. It’s a good, strong list, but it’s not overpowering. I have to play a literally perfect game to win against good opponents with it, and frankly considering how easily my opponents bounced back from 1 or two small mistakes makes me feel even stronger than ever that Stormcast on the whole is a 2nd tier army with maybe 2 or 3 very specific top tier lists. I’m at a point where I feel I can confidently state this and that for me it is my truth. If I were to win a tournament with some variation of the army I’m playing, it would be a literal hurricane of luck and some divine intervention. In my gaming area, 50 percentile placement is going to be a “great achievement” and an impressive display of command-ship. The fact that the 3rd Stormcast player placed dead last with zero wins with a (my opinion) “generic, no gimmicks” list just cements my opinion that at their default setting Stormcast are probably below average, and there’s a tiny portion of lists in the pool that are making it look better than it is. I think it’s fair to say that they are an easy army to play at the novice level, but as you climb the ladder of skill play they start dragging behind, and it’s very difficult to overcome that hurdle, and I think that’s where a lot of the (valid, imo) complaints about Stormcast are coming from. Since I’m not going to change Stormhosts and I’m not going to abandon the play style that I’ve made my own, I feel that I’ve taken my army as far as it can go. I understand why a knight heraldor is so vital to making this army work and adding one - no, just copying Bobo’s list - would probably give me enough flexibility and “forgiveness” or “luck protection” to maybe eek into the less than 50% guaranteed bracket. But considering the competition and army types in my area, I don’t think it’s worth abandoning my enjoyment in pursuit of that “unicorn.” Concerning Gavriel. He’s too strong in my opinion, and I think his command ability should be limited to 1 point per phase. I think removing possibilities of failure from the game is bad for the game, and I saw many examples of this throughout the tournament from other armies. I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t see the irony in feeling that way and having Gavriel as an option. However I think if you drop him down to 1 point only, it will literally half the number of truly viable competitive Stormcast lists, and that would just drag Stormcast as a whole down. I don’t like certain competitive lists relying on a single gimmick, in general, and I think it’s bad for the game as it takes away variety and individual freedom of choice (at least in that type of setting). Highlight of the tournament for me was beating the person who finished third (Sylvaneth player) in my 2nd matchup. As far as I’m concerned it was a near perfect game and essentially the most fun that could be had. A great and gracious opponent and a tough fight. Least favourite game was losing to death on a unit resurrection on the last turn of a game. Left me with ashes in my mouth. Pictures below.
  11. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    Day 1 of NZ Masters tournament. I’m using a Gav bomb list with quite a bit of shooting as backup. My army list is on the previous page I believe. Game 1 - Vs Anvils Stormcast His list was composed almost entirely of Sequitors and Evocators, with a unit of Longstrike Raptors in the back. Had lord arcanum on Tauralon and a Cleansing Phalanx battalion. Mission was Better Part of Valour. He deployed half and half with 1 objective heavily guarded and 2 with only one unit. He burned the two weakly guarded objectives and then tried to push forward to get mine. However, I found out afterwards that he forgot to bring out his Scions first turn. At the time I thought it was on purpose. So I was able to assault his objective and take it. I could have won immediately first turn, but didn’t realise it as I’m so used to having to play a long game. I double turned him and burned all the remaining objectives on turn 2. It was a very quick game and we finished in less than an hour. Game 2 - vs Sylvaneth This was the previous tournament winner and was a very nerve wracking game. He was playing a “horde” dryad army with Alarielle. The board got blanketed with trees and I couldn’t see anything to shoot. Mission was Focal points. He began by teleporting a mob of 30 dryads into the center of the board and claiming his two objectives and that one. I assaulted the middle with my evocators and one of his objectives with a unit of judicators. I didn’t really get to shoot much this game but the evocators held the middle and I defended my board against a morsarr eel charge. Won by points, but we both agreed that if Alarielle had joined the battle sooner, I probably would have lost. He was protecting her, but I had very little that could have stopped her. Game 3 - vs Legion of Sacrement Quite a frustrating game. Mission was Total Conquest. I held three objectives for 3 turns, and zoned out all of his graveyards. Had Arkan down to 2 wounds and 4 wounds on two occasions. Routed his entire army except for the heroes. At the end of turn 3 , he assaulted a unit on a graveyard, killed it, brought back a unit of 30 reapers, then captured 2 objectives in turn 4. I captured 1 back in turn 5, then lost all of mine again on the last turn. Lost by 2 points. Very frustrating game and left me quite sour having played a very good game but still losing due to attrition and being unable to kill arkan despite throwing everything I had at him. Tough luck, but this was the toughest army I’ve faced in a long time. Opponent was a previous tournament winner as well, and he has a good chance of winning the tournament this year, so I needed to beat him to win. Pictures attached below. PS. My first game today is against an Anvils Longstrike list that’s been doing well, so we’ll see how the theory holds up that this type of shooting list might beat out a Gav bomb. Mission is places of power so I will need my heroes...
  12. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    There are a couple variations of shooting lists that, in my opinion, could fight a gav bomb list to a stalemate if played well. I’ve been playing shooting lists all year, and in theory if I had played perfectly I could have won the tournaments I went to, or at least gotten in the top 3. The main problem with my shooting lists that using Gavriel has solved for me, is that they cannot grab an objective while going on the offensive. It has to clear the objective first, then grab it, which takes two turns to set up. The Gav bomb variant attacks and grabs objectives at the same time, and I think that’s probably the main reason we haven’t seen a shooting list win. I feel as though I have talked myself into saying there’s nothing better than Gavriel actually, but there you have it. I’ll just say this - other lists are harder to get a 5 win streak with, and with a game that’s already so luck dependent, no other list removes as much luck as Gavriel does. I think that’s why it’s more consistently winning.
  13. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    As someone who's been experimenting with Gav lists for a month now, I have to agree with @wanderingrogue that most of the tactics that can be used to counter it still force your opponent to play conservatively and in a predictable way, which can still work to your advantage if you have the experience and knowledge to utilize it. I also agree that the reasoning behind why screening doesn't always work is fairly valid from my experience. Your opponent can't turtle behind their lines indefinitely or they will simply lose the mission. I also am getting very frustrated with people who keep going to extremes in these discussions. No one is saying an army is unbeatable, or that it can't be countered ever with certain lists. Please stop twisting the conversation into a scenario where you make pro-Gav players look wrong and "evil" for just trying to assert how strong it is. This list type has won several tournaments against a variety of other types of armies. Can we at least agree that it's objectively a top tier list that's capable of winning when used by someone with skill and experience? There will always be bad luck; there will always be a handful of people who successfully counter it. These exceptions don't disprove what anyone is saying, because no one is saying it can't be beaten ever.
  14. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    This is the Gav list I’m running in a tournament tomorrow. Will let you know how the first day went tomorrow night. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hammers of SigmarMortal Realm: AqshyKnight-Azyros (100)- General- Trait: We Cannot Fail - Artefact: God-forged Blade Gavriel Sureheart (100)Knight-Venator (120)Celestant-Prime (340)5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Judicators (160)- Boltstorm Crossbows- 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows5 x Judicators (160)- Boltstorm Crossbows- 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)10 x Evocators (400)- 10x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesTotal: 1950 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 113
  15. Mark Williams

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    As someone who has been trying to create a competitive list for the entire year, I actually feel that it is quite difficult to build a list as competitive or better without Gavriel in it. I’ve just recently started running Gavriel , and the difference in power output is night and day from where I was before. There are a handful of alternative lists, but if you’re doing something remotely involving combat, Gavriel just makes it better. The other alternatives are essentially a handful of shooting gimmick lists, but I would hesitate to say they are better, at best perhaps just laterally different.
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