Immersturm Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Compare the current SCE we have now to these Blanche sketches: (you can google it, there are some more) Why do the sketches look so amazing and fit perfectly into the Warhammer Fantasy setting, almost seemlessly blending with Sigmar, the Empire and their style, whereas the current SCE look so much more generic and out of place by comparison? What is this sorcery I'd love to recreate it, but I have no idea how Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I'll stick to reality thankyouplease! Why should Stormcasts blend with the Empire? They are far in the future and on a different plane of existence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immersturm Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Dunno, I think it looks amazing, regardless whether you'd want to associate it with the Empire or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I guess the reason is that the scetches and the basic concept of the Stormcast Eternals has also been made during the Warhammer Fantasy era. Without AoS they propably would have been a support faction for the empire. If you look at the design ideas. The Scetch on the bottom right side looks female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immersturm Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Though looking at the design, the base concept is the same. Yet they look very different. Is it the robes and empire-esque art that set it apart? As I said, i can not quite pin down what given the Blanche Eternals that distuigishing style, bordering on grimdark when compared to the actual ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZephyrExia Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Sketches are there to provide inspiration for the sculptors and art team to build off. Most models, especially those concepted by Blanche, only have basic forms and ideas represented in the final product. 26 minutes ago, Immersturm said: Why do the sketches look so amazing and fit perfectly into the Warhammer Fantasy setting, almost seemlessly blending with Sigmar, the Empire and their style John Blanche is a major driving force behind the creative image of GW products, so it is not wonder why it matches the setting he has helped create. 27 minutes ago, Immersturm said: whereas the current SCE look so much more generic and out of place by comparison? Models have to be painted, and stormcast, as the marketed face of AoS, have to be accessible to new hobbyists. They are the creative parallel to Space marines, whom have the same blanche twist in his concept, but are modelled very cleanly. As for the 'out of place', of course they look stylistically different to other models, as the majority of AoS models are directly imported from WHFB, wherein the style germinated over decades. Stormcast Eternals, Khadron Overlords, Idoneth Deepkin, and to a lesser extent Disciples of Khaine, look significantly alien to the old world, with only small design elements to tie them to the old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarrowLord Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 The armor proportions in those sketches are more realistic (even if slightly exaggerated) and the frame of the wearer is leaner and less boxy than current SCEs. The overall effect is something that looks more human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immersturm Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BarrowLord said: The armor proportions in those sketches are more realistic (even if slightly exaggerated) and the frame of the wearer is leaner and less boxy than current SCEs. The overall effect is something that looks more human. YES! Thank you! That seems definitely to be one of the major points. You can not iamgine the relief I feel now that I see it to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I've heard than the Stormcast Eternals were indeed imagined for the Old World, as mechanic soldiers created by Balthazar Gelt( they have exactly the same mask after all) to compensate all the human losses of the Empire. In the same way, the Fyreslayers actually appear in the End Time books, seen from afar, and were the followers of the Slayer King Ungrim Ironfist when he was the incarnate of Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowspite Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Personally, I'm glad GW didn't go overboard on the Blanchitsu for the Stormcast models. I'd hate to think of Angharadh and Neave with the stupid conical boobplate and ridiculous fetish heels Blanche sticks on all his female characters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecktron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 46 minutes ago, Shadowspite said: Personally, I'm glad GW didn't go overboard on the Blanchitsu for the Stormcast models. I'd hate to think of Angharadh and Neave with the stupid conical boobplate and ridiculous fetish heels Blanche sticks on all his female characters... Exactly. The boob plate of Neave and the Shadespire liberator are still too pronounced for my taste but GW is slowly getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuttyknatty Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (I’ve never really warmed to John Blanche’s style. Just too messy for my tastes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Because the GW versions were obviously designed to be as close to Space Marines as possible as a way to appeal to the 40k audience and it worked. "Hey kids, you're finally fatigued of your 10,000pt Ultramarines or collecting your fifth chapter? Look, a another GW system with FANTASY Marines!" I think Blanche's definitely look a lot closer to what you'd have expected from fantasy-something and could've been slotted into the Empire/Free Guilds without too much trouble. I doubt the Stormcast would have quite so many detractors if they'd stuck to it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 On 28-3-2018 at 1:15 PM, Immersturm said: Compare the current SCE we have now to these Blanche sketches: (you can google it, there are some more) Why do the sketches look so amazing and fit perfectly into the Warhammer Fantasy setting, almost seemlessly blending with Sigmar, the Empire and their style, whereas the current SCE look so much more generic and out of place by comparison? What is this sorcery I'd love to recreate it, but I have no idea how Cheers LOL you say it blends with WH fantasy .. which is about the most generic IP ever (which is why GW had problems on that front) and then say AoS is generic... either you don't know the meaning of the word or you are just not very smart. Anyway... you like these sketches better... fine.. just don't use words you don't understand to back that up please. Personally I find most of these sketches to look just about the same as my miniatures so I don't see where you get the difference anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBS Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 These look amazing. Then again, I like Blanche's style. I'd totally buy an huge bunch of SCE if they looked like this (less goofy and brick-like with better proportions). I never was a fan of the Warcraft-style that GW currently employs, which probably explains this. LUV this guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorthaur Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I will say I much prefer the art, looks more characterful and detailed. The models we got are more basic, cartoony and lacking in character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Jr. Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I like both the official GW style and this art stylw for different reasons. This art is too good that. Reminds me of Amano's Final Fatnasy series work. I want to get that Castellant? tattoed on me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 6:32 PM, Aezeal said: LOL you say it blends with WH fantasy .. which is about the most generic IP ever (which is why GW had problems on that front) and then say AoS is generic... either you don't know the meaning of the word or you are just not very smart. Anyway... you like these sketches better... fine.. just don't use words you don't understand to back that up please. Personally I find most of these sketches to look just about the same as my miniatures so I don't see where you get the difference anyway. LOL you judge someone else... but you cant see the difference between this: and this: You either can't see or need to put your glasses on! Anyway.. you can't see the difference... fine... just don't use your lack of vision to back that up please. Personally I think you must be trolling as otherwise you would be a quite rude, so I don't think you could miss which of the two i'm being anyway. , life is much more fun if you accept that other peoples opinion that aren't the same as yours aren't wrong. Just a different interpretation, especially regarding art. Have fun, it's a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 5:32 PM, Aezeal said: LOL you say it blends with WH fantasy .. which is about the most generic IP ever (which is why GW had problems on that front) and then say AoS is generic... either you don't know the meaning of the word or you are just not very smart. Anyway... you like these sketches better... fine.. just don't use words you don't understand to back that up please. Personally I find most of these sketches to look just about the same as my miniatures so I don't see where you get the difference anyway. +++ Mod Hat On +++ When disagreeing with somebody, it's not a good move to say that they are stupid. It never ends well, especially on these forums as we want everybody to enjoy discussing their hobby. Don't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingmma Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 given how blanches artwork looks compared to the final gw product normally, there isn't actually that huge a difference between the sce art vs reality to anything else he draws vs reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gorbolg Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Honestly, I think with a grimmer, grimier paint job they would look extremely similar. The differences are as much, if not more about mood than form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Honestly I prefer the models we have over the artwork, but then again, was not a fan of WHFB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immersturm Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 3/31/2018 at 6:32 PM, Aezeal said: LOL you say it blends with WH fantasy .. which is about the most generic IP ever (which is why GW had problems on that front) and then say AoS is generic... either you don't know the meaning of the word or you are just not very smart. Anyway... you like these sketches better... fine.. just don't use words you don't understand to back that up please. Personally I find most of these sketches to look just about the same as my miniatures so I don't see where you get the difference anyway. Or, you know, taste is subjective. Ever thought or that? No? Didn't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Immersturm said: Or, you know, taste is subjective. Ever thought or that? No? Didn't think so Please read.. I didn't say you wheren't allowed another opinion.. I just said your arguments where false. I literally wrote "Anyway... you like these sketches better... fine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It's same in many GW models, they exaggerate the heads and weapons for them to "pop out" from the tabletop. Partly for epicness, partly for easier to spot which has what and for heads the easiness in painting. Thus the proportions of the final models are usually off. For me, I was used to it and didn't mind it, until working with realistically scaled models for a while and after that, most models just look so exaggerated that it starts to nag. It was the same with marines. There it was also the scale creep of all other models that were supposed to be smaller than marines, but the models weren't that led to the Primaris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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