New Aelves

[Twitch of Izalith]

Everyone agrees Cthulu probably looks something like this - so exactly the same as a high elf basically 

[Kirjava13]

53 minutes ago, Thundercake said:

my big beef with this release is that tomb kings were "too common", couldn't protect the IP, etc. etc. Then they give us half naked snake ladies with long hair. So undead snake riders and giant stone cats can't be protected but medusa's and a very common arhcatype can be?

Haven't we established that this idea is as bull as those 'new Stormcast mounts'?

[Ryan Taylor]

I am getting a huge Ray Harryhausen feel from this release which is great. Loved Jason and the Argonaughts. Not gonna play the army but a recreation of this in AoS as a diorama will be on my plate. 

[Still-young]

54 minutes ago, Swooper said:

Which isn't even a tentacle, it's just some thorny branches/roots like several other models have on their bases. They're painted purple on the studio model, probably to represent unusual flora in Ulgu. I think the colour choice had a lot to do with people labelling it as a tentacle, and the whole "Cthulu elves" rumour spiralled out of hand from there.

The Cthulhu elves rumour came from Hastings. That’s how he described them; Cthulhu/Deep One elves. And then other stuff seemed to fit. 

[Keldaur]

1 hour ago, Thundercake said:

my big beef with this release is that tomb kings were "too common", couldn't protect the IP, etc. etc. Then they give us half naked snake ladies with long hair. So undead snake riders and giant stone cats can't be protected but medusa's and a very common arhcatype can be?

Overlords were cool and imaginative in my opinion. This isn't.

The reason isn't that Tomb kings were "too common". It was that their sales were pretty bad.

[Menkeroth]

1 hour ago, Twitch of Izalith said:

Everyone agrees Cthulu probably looks something like this - so exactly the same as a high elf basically 

 

Or any other elf, to be honest  although sometimes, like in DnD, you can encounter sea elves, but then they still have nothing to do with Lovecraft and his mythology.

[DantePQ]

36 minutes ago, Still-young said:

The Cthulhu elves rumour came from Hastings. That’s how he described them; Cthulhu/Deep One elves. And then other stuff seemed to fit. 

Yeah this

And now  he feels DoT fits with what he heard about CThulu Elves. 

Also all the rumors some people thought were about CThulu Elves became DoT 

So I guess we may safely say that no other CThulu Elves are coming. 

[Twitch of Izalith]

4 minutes ago, DantePQ said:

And now  he feels DoT fits with what he heard about CThulu Elves. 

Also all the rumors some people thought were about CThulu Elves became DoT 

DoT are Disciples of Tzeentch

[Thundercake]

If the IP reason isn't true,  why get rid of it?

If they got rid of it because sales were bad, why not make their rules suck less? That seems to be a common way to move product? Saying that the had limited new kits doesn't hold up because there are plenty of factions that are incomplete and only have a couple of kits.

If both the IP thing and the sales thing are bad, does that mean that death sales in general are bad and that is why we don't have any new models for them?

 

At the end of the day, I'm glad there are new models and it is for a smaller faction. I think it doesn't hold water with things GW has said in the past about other lines but its OK if I disagree with the majority. My "Ifs" are honestly just trying to understand.

[Menkeroth]

[WoollyMammoth]

17 hours ago, Hyperion said:

Vendors, retailers, distributors, pod casters, you tube channels, etc... all get there early and get shown a big run down of what’s coming down the pipeline.  They did the same thing last year... 

I stand corrected.  What did they show last year? There wasn't any AoS announcements last year.  It was right in the middle of Tzeentch releases, and then Kharadron was first showed in mid-March. 

[BunkhouseBuster]

Dagnabbit!  Why, GW, why?!  In a time when I was to take a break from buying new models to focus on other artistic and nerdy ventures (LARPing), losing weight & eating better, and getting back into other neglected hobbies, they had to come out with not only the new Nurgle Maggtokin army, which I have been wantiing for awhile, but now a new elf army that my wife is far more interested in that Sylvaneth.  It's like I'm doomed to always be wanting either more money or more models, and will never have both...

Maybe I can start slowly with them over the year.  Perhaps they will get a holiday bundle box this next Christmas season?

4 hours ago, Twitch of Izalith said:

I had to look up what Nagas are - that people are talking about - Turns out that its a Hindu (Indian) snake god... Is it also a D & D thing? 

A couple of other random India/dark elf crossover facts

Malekith is an Indian name.

Morathi is an Indian language.

There, that totally explains why they chose the ancient Greece aesthetic... 

 

4 hours ago, Lucentia said:

Now I'm actually kinda upset they didn't run with an Indian aesthetic, that would've been pretty dope.

Though in fairness I guess they're not exactly hugely Greek inspired either for the most part.

Fun fact, Alexander the Great conquered his way across the Middle East all the way to India.  Not a whole lot came out of that aside from Greek successor kingdoms spread across  Mesopatamia and Persia, but there is a precedent to having a combination of Greek and Indian influences in a single aesthetic.

Remember, if you copy one thing it's plagiarism.  But if you copy several things, it's research!

[Twitch of Izalith]

@BunkhouseBuster Your wife plays warhammer - you have nothing to complain about 

23 minutes ago, WoollyMammoth said:

I stand corrected.  What did they show last year? There wasn't any AoS announcements last year.  It was right in the middle of Tzeentch releases, and then Kharadron was first showed in mid-March. 

Pretty sure you are right about that AoS wise but they started doing these "Big" reveals at Adeptacon last year I think, and again at Nova.

[Sleboda]

2 hours ago, Kirjava13 said:

tomb kings were "too common", couldn't protect the IP, etc.

Has that ever, like, anywhere from GW at all, ever been stated? 

I get that it's a popular belief that fits a narrative,  but a lot of falsehoods have done that over the centuries.

 

[Killax]

1 hour ago, xking said:

Calling it now. The Cthulu Aelves will be a Scourge Privateers release.

Calling it last year , I'd still say it's Scourge Privateers + Order Serpentis + new assassin like models.

But otherwise I'd say the name Cthulu Aelves makes very little sence. They are by all accounts Malerion Aelves and Malerion is certainly a complete new monster but not on Cthulu levels. 

As always, dynamic models stay. The Scourge Privateers and Order Serpentis allready have been mixed in a boxed set aswell.

[Soulsmith]

33 minutes ago, Killax said:

Calling it last year , I'd still say it's Scourge Privateers + Order Serpentis + new assassin like models.

But otherwise I'd say the name Cthulu Aelves makes very little sence. They are by all accounts Malerion Aelves and Malerion is certainly a complete new monster but not on Cthulu levels. 

As always, dynamic models stay. The Scourge Privateers and Order Serpentis allready have been mixed in a boxed set aswell.

The thing with Malerion's aelves is it can't just be scourge privateers. I can't believe GW would let the Black guard/executioners kit fall by the wayside.

[Kaleb Daark]

I do like more-thigh's model. she looks ace.

[Carnelian]

3 hours ago, Ryan Taylor said:

I am getting a huge Ray Harryhausen from this release. 

That sounds...obscene...but....so right. 

 

That name is sticking.

 

(Yes I edited it slightly)

[Turgol]

People keep thinking on WHFB terms. There are no dark elves anymore. No dark elves followed Malerion. The DoK are not dark elves, not even a division of the dark elves in two new factions, but something new that recycles three former DE kits.

 

My bet? Shadowkin will be all new. Just as the old slayer wasn’t recycled for FS and just as many new, quite fitting (Gyros, Engineer, Irondrakes) dwarves kits weren’t recycled for KO, Malerion’s kits will be all new. Won’t be going the sylvaneth way (as DoK does)but rather the KO way.

[Menkeroth]

Most likely, which is a good thing, by all accounts.

[Envyus]

3 hours ago, Thundercake said:

If the IP reason isn't true,  why get rid of it?

If they got rid of it because sales were bad, why not make their rules suck less? That seems to be a common way to move product? Saying that the had limited new kits doesn't hold up because there are plenty of factions that are incomplete and only have a couple of kits.

If both the IP thing and the sales thing are bad, does that mean that death sales in general are bad and that is why we don't have any new models for them?

 

At the end of the day, I'm glad there are new models and it is for a smaller faction. I think it doesn't hold water with things GW has said in the past about other lines but its OK if I disagree with the majority. My "Ifs" are honestly just trying to understand.

GW made lots of bad moves back then and bragged they did not do market research.

You just need to look at the reason the specialist games were originally shutdown (Before their fairly recent revival.) The reason was they expanded really fast into foreign markets while English demand was high. As a result they puts tons of Gorkamorka sets into Italy, France and Spain. But they were not selling there and they kept sending them there despite it not selling losing them tons of money. While the English ones were not being sent out in enough bulk. Rather then decide to show some restraint and do market research, and focus on the areas that wanted what they were selling rather then the places that were not, they just decided to kill the specialist games.  

 

[Envyus]

56 minutes ago, Turgol said:

People keep thinking on WHFB terms. There are no dark elves anymore. No dark elves followed Malerion. The DoK are not dark elves, not even a division of the dark elves in two new factions, but something new that recycles three former DE kits.

 

My bet? Shadowkin will be all new. Just as the old slayer wasn’t recycled for FS and just as many new, quite fitting (Gyros, Engineer, Irondrakes) dwarves kits weren’t recycled for KO, Malerion’s kits will be all new. Won’t be going the sylvaneth way (as DoK does)but rather the KO way.

We have to think on those terms as those are all still more or less the same faction and they were stated to still follow Malekith. 

Just like we still think of characters like Morathi, Tyrion, Nagash, and Alarielle as the ones from Fantasy, cause they are the same people with the same names. 

[BunkhouseBuster]

2 hours ago, Twitch of Izalith said:

@BunkhouseBuster Your wife plays warhammer - you have nothing to complain about 

Pretty sure you are right about that AoS wise but they started doing these "Big" reveals at Adeptacon last year I think, and again at Nova.

Alas, she doesn't yet.  She painted up some Sylvaneth a year ago, but hasn't done anything Warhammer related since.  She keeps herself busy and content with MMORPGs and being a stay-at-home mom.

But she is a huge elf fan, and these are proper elves in a new release, not just tree-people with an elf leader.  This army might actually do the trick and get her into playing the game.

2 hours ago, Sleboda said:

Has that ever, like, anywhere from GW at all, ever been stated? 

I get that it's a popular belief that fits a narrative,  but a lot of falsehoods have done that over the centuries.

That's what I heard before as well, and I could believe it for Bretonnia since they pretty much were a historical army aesthetically speaking.  I can go find similar models from other manufacturers, but I haven't seen many other Egyptian-themed undead/construct models, especially from GW's larger competitors.  In the case of Tomb Kings, GW could easily be saving their old plastic kits for a re-release, particularly the Tomb Stalkers and Necrosphynx kits.  With Settra not being off in the End Times books, I could see a re-doing of his character being brought in to be a counter or foil to Nagash.  It always seemed odd to me that while Destruction, Order, and Chaos have several different motivational forces leading them.  For Death, it's pretty much just Nagash or nothing, so another source of undead power would be welcome in my book.  And the Tomb King kits would provide that really quickly.

[Turgol]

46 minutes ago, Envyus said:

We have to think on those terms as those are all still more or less the same faction and they were stated to still follow Malekith. 

Just like we still think of characters like Morathi, Tyrion, Nagash, and Alarielle as the ones from Fantasy, cause they are the same people with the same names. 

There literally is no Malekith Iam afraid. And I don’t know where you got the “they were stated to still follow Malekith”. I do not know who stated that and what the “they” stands for. Dark elves? But there are none! Go and read the AoS first book. Malerion and Tyrion could not find their people. They likely did find some aelfs at the end, but most surely they will be as different from what the HE and DE were as Malerion and Tyrion will be from mortal Malekith and Tyrion. 

[VBS]

Minis are quite nice, though not too convinced by the "normal" Morathi (wings and "look at my belly" detail are meh). Half tempted in getting a few to mix with the Dark Elves line of Raging Heroes, which have a few models that could fit very well.

They could also work really good for other stuff, like slaanesh demons or even dark eldars for 40k. 

 

Also, is Khaine dead or not? Pretty sure he didn't do well during the ET