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  1. If you haven't, I really suggest that you read BR: Kragnos. IMO, it is by far the best narrative in an AoS mainstream book so far. I know the reactions to the summaries have been mixed. But summaries betray the quality of the narrative. BR: Kragnos is mainly narrated from the viewpoint of normal humans in Excelsis. This is so in chapter 1 and 3, which are far longer than chapter 2 (mostly Skragrot point of view). This is far better than all previous books. Teclis takes places mostly from a godly point of view; the lowest it descends is either to Lumineth heroes or Mortarchs. And it feels much less grounded. I would say the same about dimensions travelling narratives in Be'Lakor and Morathi. Here, Excelsis and Ghur really shine from a grounded point of view. Chapter 1 is essentially a narrative of inner strife in a city that knows it is marked for likely doom. Although nothing really important happens in it, it is beyond even City of Secrets in achieving that narrative. And chapter 3 is the story of the siege of Excelsis. I think no siege had been so well done since the fall of Altdorf in End Times. As a battle, it is arguably a more spectacular narrative with the combination of full waagh siege of a massive city, with a fleet attack, and an inner catastrophe taking place at the same time. The resolution to the most important parts of the plot may sound lame when written as a summary. Grodrakk joining Kragnos isn't easy to explain - it is hinted that it is the effect of the Bad Moon, but it feels like a deus ex machina. The final victory of Order feels less of a deus ex machina and introduces, yet again, Morathi as a major player. But anyways, I think any warhammer fan would do himself a favor by reading this book. As to the Epilogues, I did not find them as good, except for the now explicit confirmation of Grugni's return and direct involvement and stuff. The Nagash-Teclis exchange is getting old; Be'Lakor - talons of Slaanesh feels irrelevant; Kragnos is just an introduction of the Kruelboyz. But Morathi's "judgment" and Grugni's interruption, though not a great narrative, points nicely to things forward. Oh, and I remember that when AoS was launched, there was this rumour that Lizardmen were turning to dragonkin. Guess that will very likely happen now. Interesting times!
  2. The thing I love about the Kruelboyz is the licenses they took. I keep hearing LotR like orcs, but they are so much more cartoony and stylish and yet deviate enormously from the post 4th edition, canon Warhammer orcs. Don't get me wrong, the warhammer orc (and goblins) is one of the most venerable creations in GW's history. But precisely because of that the boldness of coming up with something new that supplements the canon is just great. And they nailed it. Kudos for that. Plus, the "emerging out of the swamp" effect on the clothes is just great. I think the SCE also look fantastic, but wouldn't it have been a mindblowing set if it was cities of sigmar (or oder of azyr or devotees or whatever)? If 3 edition is about the cruel reality of expansion into this dangerous world, that made more sense. I get the space marine complex that is sells better if you have those super heroes there. But still... I am not sure if this has been discussed, but doesnt the set also look unbalanced? All sorts of elites by SCE with the same amount of heroes than Kruelboyz, one of which is top tier? Yndrasta or whatever she is called might cost close to an important part of the boyz side by herself!
  3. They nailed it with armour. But helmet... I have some doubts. Hope for no helmet options.
  4. Oh come on. Give me some orcs! Primaris are ok
  5. The lack of early morning hyping has me nervous that it won't be AoS 3. Crossing fingers
  6. New 40k or AoS editions have been lately revealed at Warhammer Fest. Will this mean that AoS 3 will be announced on Monday? That would be beyond awesome.
  7. Everything points to BR: Kragnos being the final point of BR; it taking place in Ghur-Excelsis; and leading up to AoS 3 in the summer. Fascinating that after the seizure or a major city, Morathi's ascendance, the (sort or) rebirth of Slaanesh, the destruction of Nagash and the end of the soul wars, the destruction of a stormhost, isolation of Chamon, and apparent return of Grugni, we still have not yet reached the climax! Even more fascinating that the climax takes place in the least expectable place and is linked to an unknown character.
  8. I am really looking forward to Lumineth lore. I am sorry for deviating a bit the conversation based on this, but I just bought and read Gloomspite and Ossiarch BTs. I am really impressed by lore in both. When compared to the first BTs in AoS (SCE, Fyreslayers, Everchosen - original khorne was a bit better), it is really amazing how far we are. Even relatively recent BT were not that good (Kharadron first edition, IDK, DoK). So I was expecting a thin downed night goblins BT and an excuse of an army to release cool models for Ossiarch. But they are both WHFB quality at the least, with extremely cool concepts really well worked out. So what will come out of a more traditional, civilization building new faction in this new developped and high quality scenario? What is revealed so far is not spectacular at all, but promising in fleshing out a civilization. /excited
  9. You never met WHFB players then. Now that was serious!
  10. This is precisely my point: the mortarchs have a very ambiguous background and thus are hard to grasp and get involved with characters. And they would be quite wonderful characters, either as disadapted old entities (like Gotrek) or something else. IMO they should be made less ambiguous, just as GW is approaching lizardmen.
  11. True. Although daemons are not technically from the old world! Glottkin has always been a weird shot: a young, never heard of trio of brothers then reappears with a different background in AoS?. It is almost as if an AoS model was released sooner. But Archaon and Mortarchs are relics for sure. Wish they would exploit that more. As with Gotrek: make them trully mystical creatures with memories that span before time.
  12. Relics of the old world: All order gods + Gotrek Thanquol Gorkamorka Slanns and some lizardmen. Am I missing anyone?
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