The Rumour Thread

[Neverchosen]

9 hours ago, Gothmaug said:

If we do get grotbag scuttlers someday, I want to see squig zeppelins

 

 

That is exactly what I want... well that and goblins with tricorn hats and wielding cutlasses 

[Dawi not Duardin]

15 hours ago, Gothmaug said:

If we do get grotbag scuttlers someday, I want to see squig zeppelins

 

 

 

They need to release this with a bunch of gobbo/grot musicians and call it Red Zeppelin.  

[Lightbox]

12 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

That is exactly what I want... well that and goblins with tricorn hats and wielding cutlasses 

And a melee unit where they all have double peg legs and hook hands. It feels ridiculous enough to work very well for grots

[KingBrodd]

I'm just glad that we are at a stage in Warhammer that regardless of how much support your Faction gets, it is supported.

I remember the dark times of WHFB where sometimes an army would languish without an Army Book update for entire Editions of Warhammer and the Editions weren't on 3 yearly cycles. Not only that but once you got that book there was no guarantee at all of new minis so for hobbyists it was a nightmare.

I can be happy knowing that even if I dont get a range refresh for Mawtribes this Edition that I am guranteed a new Battletome and a Mini of some sort, whether that's a whole new unit of a single model I will have something.

[SunStorm]

2 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I'm just glad that we are at a stage in Warhammer that regardless of how much support your Faction gets, it is supported.

I remember the dark times of WHFB where sometimes an army would languish without an Army Book update for entire Editions of Warhammer and the Editions weren't on 3 yearly cycles. Not only that but once you got that book there was no guarantee at all of new minis so for hobbyists it was a nightmare.

I can be happy knowing that even if I dont get a range refresh for Mawtribes this Edition that I am guranteed a new Battletome and a Mini of some sort, whether that's a whole new unit of a single model I will have something.

Got to agree with you on this. I'd also say this is helped by Underworlds, Warcry and Warhammer Quest allowing them to release some more unique minis not tied to a specific army book. 

 

 

[acr0ssth3p0nd]

2 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I'm just glad that we are at a stage in Warhammer that regardless of how much support your Faction gets, it is supported.

I remember the dark times of WHFB where sometimes an army would languish without an Army Book update for entire Editions of Warhammer and the Editions weren't on 3 yearly cycles. Not only that but once you got that book there was no guarantee at all of new minis so for hobbyists it was a nightmare.

I can be happy knowing that even if I dont get a range refresh for Mawtribes this Edition that I am guranteed a new Battletome and a Mini of some sort, whether that's a whole new unit of a single model I will have something.

Totally. And the level of consistency with the 3.0 Battletomes has been just so good compared to previous times in GW's mainline games - the balance is solid, and if anything, they've reduced complexity and power in some key places. Sure, StormDragonRiders are gross, but they seem to be a clear outlier rather than just the most blatant example of a trend. I'm cautiously optimistic for the new Sylvaneth tome!

Meanwhile in 40K-Land, I'm refusing to purchase a single 40K product until they do another Index-style reset of the codices, because codex power and complexity creep is getting ridiculous, and the "balance" patches don't just fail to solve a lot of the problems they aim to fix, but often create even more. I got back into 40K at the very start of 2020, and it took just two years to drive me away again - and that's while my favorite metal skeletons are front-and-center.

Edited April 21, 2022 by acr0ssth3p0nd

[NearlyHeadlessNickAOS]

7 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I'm just glad that we are at a stage in Warhammer that regardless of how much support your Faction gets, it is supported.

I remember the dark times of WHFB where sometimes an army would languish without an Army Book update for entire Editions of Warhammer and the Editions weren't on 3 yearly cycles. Not only that but once you got that book there was no guarantee at all of new minis so for hobbyists it was a nightmare.

I can be happy knowing that even if I dont get a range refresh for Mawtribes this Edition that I am guranteed a new Battletome and a Mini of some sort, whether that's a whole new unit of a single model I will have something.

Warhammer also felt much cheaper back in the day comparably even if wages were lower. With great price gouging comes great responsibility.

[pnkdth]

8 hours ago, KingBrodd said:

I'm just glad that we are at a stage in Warhammer that regardless of how much support your Faction gets, it is supported.

I remember the dark times of WHFB where sometimes an army would languish without an Army Book update for entire Editions of Warhammer and the Editions weren't on 3 yearly cycles. Not only that but once you got that book there was no guarantee at all of new minis so for hobbyists it was a nightmare.

I can be happy knowing that even if I dont get a range refresh for Mawtribes this Edition that I am guranteed a new Battletome and a Mini of some sort, whether that's a whole new unit of a single model I will have something.

At the rate they're charging these days, supporting their own game properly should be considered the absolute barest of possible minimums. If they were a small studio scrambling to make things work I'd be a lot more forgiving.

Tome Celestials have been a welcome addition (for some - RIP Khorne) as a sort of soft-index rollout for factions without a 3.0 tome. Latest Battlescroll was a nothing-burger and only shook a few branches up among the top tier factions. I gotta hand it to them though, the fact they put additional VPs behind units which low tier factions are already struggling to kill is funny if a bit cruel. Again, forgetting about Khorne as prime hunters was just icing on a very salty cake.

However, even if it is going way too slowly for me to sing GW's praises things are going in the right direction. There is also the consideration that AoS is a less popular system than 40k and GW tend to reward profitability with extra attention. Perhaps less AoS is just the new normal? Perhaps the AoS team is smaller than we, or I rather, realise? Or is it just the calm before the storm of a new huge release and/or campaign?

Anyways, I'm going to huff some hopium in anticipation for the hedonite tome celestial and then steal some cheese from the Skaven hype train.

[Goatforce]

1 hour ago, pnkdth said:

At the rate they're charging these days, supporting their own game properly should be considered the absolute barest of possible minimums. If they were a small studio scrambling to make things work I'd be a lot more forgiving.

Tome Celestials have been a welcome addition (for some - RIP Khorne) as a sort of soft-index rollout for factions without a 3.0 tome. Latest Battlescroll was a nothing-burger and only shook a few branches up among the top tier factions. I gotta hand it to them though, the fact they put additional VPs behind units which low tier factions are already struggling to kill is funny if a bit cruel. Again, forgetting about Khorne as prime hunters was just icing on a very salty cake.

However, even if it is going way too slowly for me to sing GW's praises things are going in the right direction. There is also the consideration that AoS is a less popular system than 40k and GW tend to reward profitability with extra attention. Perhaps less AoS is just the new normal? Perhaps the AoS team is smaller than we, or I rather, realise? Or is it just the calm before the storm of a new huge release and/or campaign?

Anyways, I'm going to huff some hopium in anticipation for the hedonite tome celestial and then steal some cheese from the Skaven hype train.

I think Vince Venturella had a reasonable explanation for the drop in AoS stuff this year. That is approximately that we are hitting the period where stuff coming out was designed during the pandemic, and thus a lot less was designed and priority went to 40K, the big seller.

[KingBrodd]

3 hours ago, NearlyHeadlessNickAOS said:

Warhammer also felt much cheaper back in the day comparably even if wages were lower. With great price gouging comes great responsibility.

Absolutely true.

[Gitzdee]

6 hours ago, NearlyHeadlessNickAOS said:

Warhammer also felt much cheaper back in the day comparably even if wages were lower. With great price gouging comes great responsibility.

Spiderfang, Spiderfang,

Does whatever a spider can.

[Neverchosen]

Horus Heresy is getting me really excited about Old World, then I realize that Space Marines and Warhammer Fantasy are not in the same league of importance to GW... 😔

[Gitzdee]

Old world is a completely new thing though. Could easily get as much support as blood bowl/warcry/underworlds/killteam.

[Black_Templar_Lad]

Isn't the current rumours that the Old World will be another flagship system along with Horus Heresy? 

Of course there will have been an influx of new hobbyists with the success of Total Warhammer but The Old World could bring in even more from the back of Total War. 

Nothing will beat Space Marines (profit wise) but I have faith TOW will get the support it deserves. Pray to Sigmar. 

[SunStorm]

Both Necromunda and Bloodbowl started under specialist games and have got huge ongoing support, with plenty of releases in both resin and plastic. 

Horus Heresy went through a strange period with very little happening, but it seems like they will be making up for that with the upcoming release, from what we've seen so far.

I think as long as people manage their expectations for the launch of The Old World (they can't release the entire of WHFB in one go) and it sells well, then I see no reason it wouldn't be supported as well as the other Specialist games have.

 

[Jator]

4 minutes ago, SunStorm said:

 

 I see no reason it wouldn't be supported as well as the other Specialist games have.

 

It requires more time and money from GW to make it feel supported, and more time and money from us for properly support.  I think that can make it short lived (I just wrote about some of my worries in The Old World thread, we can follow up this discussion there if you want)

Edited April 22, 2022 by Jator

[Beliman]

New Warscrolls for all the three Underworlds bands:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/22/dance-with-the-exiled-dead-in-the-depths-of-the-nethermaze-and-on-the-battlefield/

Notes:

• Deintalos is a Vampire (not a necromancer) with a conditional +1 to cast/unbind and has better profile in melee than the Shadeborn leader (?) Save of 4+/5++. This band has Mortal Wounds on 6 to hit.
• Shadeborn has a 4++ for >9" ranged attacks. Teleport band with 4+saves. Hagg Nar
• The rats have mw on 6 to hit (1D3). They have Run&Shoot and can ambush 6" away from enemy (and within 6" of terrain) and their leader can fight first. Clan Eshin

Edited April 22, 2022 by Beliman

[Sahrial]

49 minutes ago, Beliman said:

New Warscrolls for all the three Underworlds bands:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/22/dance-with-the-exiled-dead-in-the-depths-of-the-nethermaze-and-on-the-battlefield/

Notes:

• Deintalos is a Vampire (not a necromancer) with a conditional +1 to cast/unbind and has better profile in melee than the Shadeborn leader (?) Save of 4+/5++. This band has Mortal Wounds on 6 to hit.
• Shadeborn has a 4++ for >9" ranged attacks. Teleport band with 4+saves. Hagg Nar
• The rats have mw on 6 to hit (1D3). They have Run&Shoot and can ambush 6" away from enemy (and within 6" of terrain) and their leader can fight first. Clan Eshin

Also worth noting imo… The Hunger has different wording than current rules and I’m sitting here wondering if that’s about to be FAQ’d or a SBGL update is closer than we think.

[Ogregut]

Really like the Skaven, 15 melee and 8 shooting attacks that do d3 mortal wounds on 6s.

Fast objective grabbers and close ambushers means they are actually good assassins. 

[Sahrial]

22 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

Really like the Skaven, 15 melee and 8 shooting attacks that do d3 mortal wounds on 6s.

Fast objective grabbers and close ambushers means they are actually good assassins. 

Ngl if d3 MW on 6s is the new Eshin battle trait… I’m gonna be buying rats

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

38 minutes ago, Ogregut said:

Really like the Skaven, 15 melee and 8 shooting attacks that do d3 mortal wounds on 6s.

Fast objective grabbers and close ambushers means they are actually good assassins. 

They have a really good looking damage output, and given that they can ambush and are quite fast as well, I think they are about the scariest assassins that exist in AoS:

Save	Rat boss	Rat babies
2+	4.89	5.22
3+	5.78	5.83
4+	6.67	6.44
5+	7.56	7.06
6+	8.44	7.67
-	8.67	8

[chosen_of_khaine]

And here I thought we didn't like MWs on hit rolls!

Also, skaven having 2 wounds feels very wrong.

Edited April 22, 2022 by chosen_of_khaine

[Skreech Verminking]

16 minutes ago, chosen_of_khaine said:

And here I thought we didn't like MWs on hit rolls!

Also, skaven having 2 wounds feels very wrong.

Very wrong.

 

[Lucentia]

The Shadowstalkers and Zombies also have 2 wounds each, maybe that's a way they're trying to make the underworlds warbands more generally appealing in AoS?

Or the rats have been hitting the gym in the time between battletomes, I suppose.

[Horizons]

10 minutes ago, Lucentia said:

The Shadowstalkers and Zombies also have 2 wounds each, maybe that's a way they're trying to make the underworlds warbands more generally appealing in AoS?

Or the rats have been hitting the gym in the time between battletomes, I suppose.

290 pts for the Shadowborne... hard to make that appealing.