Drillz Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 With AoS 2.0 right around the corner I wanted to get the community’s opinion on who will be the biggest winners and the biggest losers with the rule changes? Personally I feel Fyreslayers are gonna get a huge buff where as shooting armies will be taking a hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tittliewinks22 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Hard to make a winners and losers thread when we don't even know the full scope of the rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLV Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Winners- summoning armies losers- non summoning armies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPug Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I think its way too early to tell. I think it will take atleast 3 months in the new edition to even start considering winners and losers. But on a less serious note i think we players are the winners for getting so much new and exciting stuff to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AthlorianStoners Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Hopefully BCR for the winners! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokapoke Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Winners: GW and their shareholders. They’re going to sell so many of those amazing new starter boxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erasercrumbs Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Looks like Duardin armies are going to take a pretty serious hit, since they don't use magic. But who knows for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Biggest winners: people who keep playing and enjoying the game Biggest losers: anyone not in the above group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardidar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Losers - Anyone who chooses a negative attitude to change, sulking because they didn't get the toy they wanted.....and destruction Winners - Hobbyists who are happy to take things that are cool looking because they love them, knocking out themes on a realm focused but still infinite possibility aesthetic. People who cultivate their local scene and have a core of like-minded individuals (see rerolling 1's on YouTube for an example) leading to fun games and varied games. ..... and Tzeentch EDIT - While giving a long-winded answer Skabnoze stole my thunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I believe there hasn't been a single rule previewed this far that hasn't been an improvement for the Undead. So I would say them. Also other strong magic armies with summoning, like Tzeentch and Seraphon seem to get lots of good stuff. The losers are all those armies that haven't got their proper AoS treatment yet. Especially armies such as Free peoples and Wanderers whose main strength is now weaker and haven't got much to compensate. Though there might be some combos coming out of them with the new items and trinkets as likely they all haven't been as throughoutly playtested as the newer stuff, and there might be some loophole rules that combo well with the new stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, Lardidar said: Losers - Anyone who chooses a negative attitude to change, sulking because they didn't get the toy they wanted.....and destruction If the Moonclan battletome rumors in the near future turns out to be true, and if that ends up bringing a variety of plastic squig kits, then I have won so much harder than anyone else could hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardidar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Skabnoze said: If the Moonclan battletome rumors in the near future turns out to be true, and if that ends up bringing a variety of plastic squig kits, then I have won so much harder than anyone else could hope. Can't disagree, I'm also enjoying my IronJaws...was more just a bad joke at the internets go to whipping boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I mean we literally can't know.... points do matter. As I've said every time I've recommend making shooting out of combat limited in some way. I always followed it up with, also making said shooting units cheaper. It's not that shooting needs a nerf. It's more just that the shooting part of the game in boring tactically on both sides of the table. When Compared to melee armies. I'm fsir confident gw is doing this after looking at the KO article. From there endless spells look tame. Free summoning is pretty great, but it also seems to have some fair well built in limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Winners are battletome armies. Shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodmaster Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Loseres: That one guy that will burn his army and put a vid of it on youtube Winners: Everyone who gets a laugh out of it.... But on a serious note, winners and losers will only show themselfs after a few weeks, a good prediction might be hinged on summoning, as LVL pointed out, but even that might highly depend on the local meta and the choice of opposing factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, mmimzie said: Free summoning is pretty great, but it also seems to have some fair well built in limits. The main problem in my eyes is that it is introduced to some armies that are great even before it. Balancing that kind of ability with points is also bit of hit or miss, it's hard to get even if you can have variable focus to summoning in the list building phase. If you point it for "medium use" then going all-in can give you benefits and going without is a disdvantage. If you point it for the maximum use, then it just leads to a situation where to be competitive, you have to go all in. Because of that, the reinforcement points were in my eyes the best solution. A small points reduction for the summoned stuff (like it was in the SCGT comp) would have been a good offset to take in to account the uncertainties during the game. The problem with the summoning was more with the uncertainty of the spells and mechanisms, not so much that it wouldn't have been useful as it was. For example, many Tzeentch players leave reinforcement points for splitting horrors already. Of course there are units such as the Phoenix, where the reinforcement points don't work at all and the resurrection should be just included in the price with say 1,5 multiplier for the basic cost. Seraphon are also a good example why I'm bit sceptic about the new mechanism. Seraphon are my "tournament army" as normally I play only casual games, and when I go to tournament, my other armies are typically not worth fielding in that kind of environment. Thus when I'm playing with my Lizardmen, I normally build my army to be more optimized. I have earlier left ~60 points for summoning some skinks, a priest or a salamander (as I don't have razordons) if needed. However, many times I had to leave them a side as it was more important to cast other spells with my Slann, or the spells failed / rarely got dispelled. Now in the new edition, I don't have as good spells to cast instead of summoning and I don't have to leave reinforcement points aside (I assume that the realm specific spells are not something you regularly use in tournaments, and don't believe the local scene is so interested in the endless spells either as the scene is still in quite early steps). Thus there are less limitation and more encouragement for summoning. In fact, there seem to be no point to not summon stuff with my Slann. Now of course the cost of Slann might be 500 points in the new edition, but that just leads to a case where if the price is too high, I don't use the Slann at all, or if I use it I have to go all in with summoning. I don't think this is a good direction for the game regards of competitive gaming. Note that in open or narrative, the free summoning doesn't make any difference to the current situation, so in that regard I think the new more interesting mechanisms are definitely a big plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellfree Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Lardidar said: Losers - Anyone who chooses a negative attitude to change, sulking because they didn't get the toy they wanted.....and destruction Winners - Hobbyists who are happy to take things that are cool looking because they love them, knocking out themes on a realm focused but still infinite possibility aesthetic. People who cultivate their local scene and have a core of like-minded individuals (see rerolling 1's on YouTube for an example) leading to fun games and varied games. ..... and Tzeentch EDIT - While giving a long-winded answer Skabnoze stole my thunder Judging by this and other comments the winners so far seem to be 'people who wanted to say hateful things on TGA with no consequences, but never had an acceptable enough target before now.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lardidar Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bellfree said: Judging by this and other comments the winners so far seem to be 'people who wanted to say hateful things on TGA with no consequences, but never had an acceptable enough target before now.' I'm sorry if I offended you, it was not my intention. I was trying to say wait and see, I don't throw a fit because a snippet of rules is not to 'my' liking. My cool models and armies will still be cool models and armies after the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Me and my wallet. You make an educated guess which of will be the loser and the winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furuzzolo Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I disagree with the "non magic army" as loosers. I honestly think my Dispossessed got way better! My Runelord got way better, point drops for allies behemot like magmadrot, steam tank, KO ships are fenomenals to cover our wicknesses. All my elite units have magic ward and, having nothing, all the new items and command options are a battletome, to me. Add some pointa drop for Hammerers and Iron-breaker/drake and we' re on fire. So: Winner: Duardin Losers: All those pesky magic factions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 So far my experience of AoS 2.0 online has shown me.... Winners - Trolls and whiners Losers - TGA ...As for a real answer, I'd have to wait until the new rules and GHB are fully upon us before being able to make comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlvalentine Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Surely nothing good can come of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, robinlvalentine said: Surely nothing good can come of this thread? Hey! My response was good I thought! It may just be because it's Friday, but everyone seems to be posting in good spirits thus far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotrek Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chris Tomlin said: Hey! My response was good I thought! It may just be because it's Friday, but everyone seems to be posting in good spirits thus far! I refuse to be happy until preorders go live. And that will only last until i read the BRB and GHB at which time i will be overcome with soul crushing disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 To be honest, I have seen very little actual whining regarding the topic. More of things like: -This is stupid -No it's not, you're stupid -No you're stupid -... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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