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The topic is a bit of a minefield so I’ll stay clear of that part. ive got a bunch of untapped data in though that would likely be helpful in determining lots of things and playtesters are and always have been welcome to reach out and I’ll be happy to work with them for the betterment of the game in general.

It’s an error, that table meant to only show meta.

No not wrong. few reasons- DoK had a more apparent win %. Close to 80%. It was less of the meta though and whilst it likely did cannibalize itself somewhat it wouldn’t have been as much. I have access to more detailed matchup data now than I did during DoK’s Reign. it doesn’t matter more or less-DoK was just as powerful then as Slaanesh now. I was just responding to Rob being surprised it wasn’t higher. I was also doing it off the top my head which is why I said don’t quote me. But most Slaanesh players stay undefeated until G4 or 5 and a higher percentage than I’ve noticed in the past lose to themselves. when I have the time I’ll run the matchup data, but it’s a hard task given the form I receive it in.

https://thehonestwargamer.com/aos-stats-21st-october-2019/

https://twitter.com/HonestWargamer/status/1186922696254377986?s=20

enjoy!

The moment when John realizes he’s been losing to the most powerful army in AoS this whole time was priceless.

Www.thehonestwargamer.com - all the AoS stats, bobo list run downs and a full bobo break down.

So I’ve seen variations on both these lists compete and still no major event podiums. Don’t get me wrong I love Templars and everything you say makes sense, except against DoK .... and certain realms(auto lose in shadow with 6” shooting) ... and total commitment.... There are very good lists out there but there are also very, very good players that have settled on gav bomb being the best tool at their disposal. Your arguements seem like the one I see constantly in mtg from less experienced players thinking ‘their deck’ is something the pro’s missed in their thousands of hours of structured testing. Yes now and again something gets missed but even then it’s usually a fad. im not saying you’re wrong, I’m just pointing out that people are taking the lists you mentioned (I have seen them) and there’s a reason people like Gary P and jack Armstrong are using gav bomb. As someone said- go out there and prove it. They are.

If the gav lists aren’t ‘the best’ I would love to know of some of the better options that you’re talking about. I have seen my fair share of lists and tournament results (probably more than is healthy tbh) and in over 30 main events the only list winning events currently is the Gav bomb.

I feel I should mention - all those people who told John Roy that Castigators were bad - The TOP performing Stormcast list (7th overall) from Facehammer (a large UK competitive tournament) had 9 in there....NINE! Cue Anakin Vader Voice.... "Tell the internet you were right John...You were Riiiiiight"

Guys calm down - its obviously "Zzelbo Elves"

Are you saying that Pheonix Temple now has an unprecendented 87.5% Match Win Percentage and is the most broken army in AoS?

Think khorne came first at NOVA not second

Yeah I hate when people do that. Everyone knows Slaanesh is Drugs and Sex AND Rock n Roll

Beautiful army and fantastic finish at EGGS- congrats! I love the additions, actually made the Firestrike mount look amazing. How did you find playing the army- going 4-1 is no easy feat, especially with an ‘underdog’ army and it would be interesting to get your perspective on what you would change ( if anything) and where you see this army moving forward.

They were. If you want more 'proof' this was confirmed on WHTV when they did the NH design team and the Stormcast design team interviews. The heralds were modeled after existing line. Specific examples given on show was the Knight of Shrounds on foot was made AFTER the KoS on steed and the ordinator was made AFTER the ballista crew in the soul wars box. The shaman and the warqueen factions as far as model designs go have been 'done' for close to a year at this point.

Hiding in plain sight. Remember the malign portent characters were designed AFTER the main factions

I know Darkoath has been done for a while and I was told Slaanesh was done and likely a Jan/feb drop. I’m thinking with the apparent Darkoath push back we could see them in that slot instead. Exciting times

Nope. I have bee saying moonclan Darkoath/beast of chaos as soon as the soulwars dropped- which I told everyone on here about in March. Granted moonclan and Darkoath a bit obvious from the malign portents but beasts of chaos was so left field no one believed that one when I first wrote it lol only thing I will concede has been a little off is timings- but that’s more due to schedule changes.

Kind of lol- makes a bit more sense now as was originally told Darkoath then Darkoath / beasts of chaos. Source probably saw bits of it all. I know Darkoath is already done. In fact many believe the malign heralds to be precursors to the NH, moonclan etc - it’s actually the other way around. The design elements for those factions were already done. For instance the knight of shroud on steed was done before the malign sorcery one.

Cmon guys, think labyrinth and dark crystal and many other Henson creations of the vein, this embodies that whimsy and AoSifies it. I think it’s great! A nice break from the grim nighthaunt!

Here we go.... first of many! For the comment above, yes all underworld stuff is ETB, but not all moonclan stuff coming will be ETB Also here’s a bone for some... see how similar the spore stuff is on the club to the rumour engine pic....Similar but not the same!

Khorne had some healthy finishes at wargames con https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FdyuFdkvC0OQYe3oK5ghCoH7iTmLP6EO0I2vvMkRIlU/mobilebasic

It seems in the new Gotrek book that is coming that Felix will be a Stormcast