The "mortals redesign" Discussion

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

4 minutes ago, EntMan said:

The Cogsmith/Engineer hasn't been available outside the Start Collecting for some time now. Which is a shame as imho he's the best of the 3 dwarf heroes in Cities. Hopefully he'll stay available in some way if the SC goes.

Hopefully he will also get a workable role beyond giving Helstorm Rocket Batteries reroll hits.

[EntMan]

10 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Hopefully he will also get a workable role beyond giving Helstorm Rocket Batteries reroll hits.

He can also heal(mend?) d3 wounds on Ironweld war machines. But only if he's really close so this is probably never going help steamtanks and 'copters.

[Draznak]

10 hours ago, Chikout said:

You're missing Hexbane and his hunters. 

Good catch ! I don't have Underworlds reflex, as I haven't played AoS yet.

On the other hand, as far as the flagellants are concerned, I'm wondering more and more whether we're going to have a new version for them... Maybe GW have simply decided to scrap the concept because it's too WHB-ish. Otherwise I really hope there will be an elite infantry unit. That's my last wish for this COS release.

 

After your corrections, I see the new warscrolls as follows :

Official :

1. Tahlia Vedra
2. Alchemite warforger
3. Freeguild marshall & relic envoy
4. Freeguild steelhelm
5. Freeguild cavaliers
6. Fusil major on ogor warhulk

Pretty safe :

1. War altar ("feretory" according to Saturday's article ?)
2. (big ?) Canon
3. Handgunners (with bulwarks ?)

Still a mystery :

1. ? (warrior-priest ?)
2. ? (elite infantry ?)
3. ? 
4. ?

Humans :

1. Hexbane
2. Hexbane hunters
3. Galen Ven Denst
4. Doralia Ven Denst
5. Flagellants (still a doubt)
6. Battlemage
7. Battlemage on griffon
8. Freeguild general on griffon
9. Luminark of Hysh
10. Luminark with white mage
11. Celestial Hurricanum
12. Celestial Hurricanum with celestial mage
13. Steamtank
14. Steam tank with commander

Duardins :

1. Warden king
2. Runelord
3. Cogsmith
4. Longbeards
5. Hammerers
6. Irondrakes (confirmed)
7. Ironbreakers
8. Gyrocopters
9. Gyrobombers

Aelves :

1. Dreadlord on black dragon
2. Sorceress on black dragon
3. Sorceress
4. Assassin
5. Black ark fleetmaster
6. Black ark corsairs
7. Black guard
8. Executionners
9. Bleakswords
10. Dreadspears
11. Darkshards
12. Scourgerunners chariots
13. Drakespawn chariots
14. Drakespawn knights
15. Dark riders
16. Kharibdyss
17. War hydra
18. Shadow warriors (still a doubt)

This would give us 54 warscrolls.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

3 minutes ago, Draznak said:

Good catch ! I don't have Underworlds reflex, as I haven't played AoS yet.

On the other hand, as far as the flagellants are concerned, I'm wondering more and more whether we're going to have a new version for them... Maybe GW have simply decided to scrap the concept because it's too WHB-ish. Otherwise I really hope there will be an elite infantry unit. That's my last wish for this COS release.

 

After your corrections, I see the new warscrolls as follows :

Official :

1. Tahlia Vedra
2. Alchemite warforger
3. Freeguild marshall & relic envoy
4. Freeguild steelhelm
5. Freeguild cavaliers
6. Fusil major on ogor warhulk

Pretty safe :

1. War altar ("feretory" according to Saturday's article ?)
2. (big ?) Canon
3. Handgunners (with bulwarks ?)

Still a mystery :

1. ? (warrior-priest ?)
2. ? (elite infantry ?)
3. ? 
4. ?

Humans :

1. Hexbane
2. Hexbane hunters
3. Galen Ven Denst
4. Doralia Ven Denst
5. Flagellants (still a doubt)
6. Battlemage
7. Battlemage on griffon
8. Freeguild general on griffon
9. Luminark of Hysh
10. Luminark with white mage
11. Celestial Hurricanum
12. Celestial Hurricanum with celestial mage
13. Steamtank
14. Steam tank with commander

Duardins :

1. Warden king
2. Runelord
3. Cogsmith
4. Longbeards
5. Hammerers
6. Irondrakes (confirmed)
7. Ironbreakers
8. Gyrocopters
9. Gyrobombers

Aelves :

1. Dreadlord on black dragon
2. Sorceress on black dragon
3. Sorceress
4. Assassin
5. Black ark fleetmaster
6. Black ark corsairs
7. Black guard
8. Executionners
9. Bleakswords
10. Dreadspears
11. Darkshards
12. Scourgerunners chariots
13. Drakespawn chariots
14. Drakespawn knights
15. Dark riders
16. Kharibdyss
17. War hydra
18. Shadow warriors (still a doubt)

This would give us 54 warscrolls.

Personally, I think Flagellants are pretty likely since they are pretty central to the Cities fluff.

I am also hoping for another gunpowder unit beyond the Handgunners and Cannon. That could be new Outriders, but I think other units would be cooler, such as a small steam vehicle or weapons team.

[Chikout]

8 minutes ago, Draznak said:

Good catch ! I don't have Underworlds reflex, as I haven't played AoS yet.

On the other hand, as far as the flagellants are concerned, I'm wondering more and more whether we're going to have a new version for them... Maybe GW have simply decided to scrap the concept because it's too WHB-ish. Otherwise I really hope there will be an elite infantry unit. That's my last wish for this COS release.

 

After your corrections, I see the new warscrolls as follows :

Official :

1. Tahlia Vedra
2. Alchemite warforger
3. Freeguild marshall & relic envoy
4. Freeguild steelhelm
5. Freeguild cavaliers
6. Fusil major on ogor warhulk

Pretty safe :

1. War altar ("feretory" according to Saturday's article ?)
2. (big ?) Canon
3. Handgunners (with bulwarks ?)

Still a mystery :

1. ? (warrior-priest ?)
2. ? (elite infantry ?)
3. ? 
4. ?

Humans :

1. Hexbane
2. Hexbane hunters
3. Galen Ven Denst
4. Doralia Ven Denst
5. Flagellants (still a doubt)
6. Battlemage
7. Battlemage on griffon
8. Freeguild general on griffon
9. Luminark of Hysh
10. Luminark with white mage
11. Celestial Hurricanum
12. Celestial Hurricanum with celestial mage
13. Steamtank
14. Steam tank with commander

Duardins :

1. Warden king
2. Runelord
3. Cogsmith
4. Longbeards
5. Hammerers
6. Irondrakes (confirmed)
7. Ironbreakers
8. Gyrocopters
9. Gyrobombers

Aelves :

1. Dreadlord on black dragon
2. Sorceress on black dragon
3. Sorceress
4. Assassin
5. Black ark fleetmaster
6. Black ark corsairs
7. Black guard
8. Executionners
9. Bleakswords
10. Dreadspears
11. Darkshards
12. Scourgerunners chariots
13. Drakespawn chariots
14. Drakespawn knights
15. Dark riders
16. Kharibdyss
17. War hydra
18. Shadow warriors (still a doubt)

This would give us 54 warscrolls.

Has there been confirmation that the big griffons are staying? 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

Just now, Chikout said:

Has there been confirmation that the big griffons are staying? 

Not that I am aware. I would assume they are out, actually, because they are full of Old World iconography.

[Draznak]

3 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

Not that I am aware. I would assume they are out, actually, because they are full of Old World iconography.

I'd have to agree with that, but overall I think it fits in quite well with the new aesthetic. 

I find, for example, that one of the freeguild cavaliers' alternative set-ups matches Karl Franz curiously well...

 

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[Neil Arthur Hotep]

Just now, Draznak said:

I'd have to agree with that, but overall I think it fits in quite well with the new aesthetic. 

I find, for example, that one of the freeguild cavaliers' alternative set-ups matches Karl Franz curiously well...

 

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It's definitely a cool kit, and I would not mind keeping it around. If it stays, that would also make the choice to not have a generic build out for the Manticore kit more understandable.

[sandlemad]

Are we expecting the demigryphs to disappear and effectively act as Cavalier proxies? I suppose Freeguild Guard will do the same for Steelhelms, though that’s more of a loadout difference for those with spears or halberds.

Incidentally, did anyone catch what’s up with the priest-dude in the Steelhelms kit?

[Morglum StormBasha]

Irondrakes in the new photos next to the Alchemite dude so confirmed as staying 

[CommissarRotke]

5 hours ago, Fulcanelli said:

Interesting, it's the first mention in AoS of this Cult, right?

In The World-That-Was the Unberogens were a powerful tribe of human barbarians settled in the lands of Reikland, before the Empire was a thing. They were the ancestors of 'modern' empire men; in fact Sigmar was called Sigmar Unberogen when he was born, his father was Bjorn Unberogen.

it's not no, Cult Unberogen is the Cult for Sigmar himself https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Church_Unberogen

[The Lost Sigmarite]

5 hours ago, Draznak said:

I'd have to agree with that, but overall I think it fits in quite well with the new aesthetic. 

I find, for example, that one of the freeguild cavaliers' alternative set-ups matches Karl Franz curiously well...

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Even after the End Times, the Franz can't be contained - he lives on in another form to summon the Elector Counts.

[CommissarRotke]

posted this in rumor thread as well but it deserves to be here. this pic is selling me on steelhelms more than the dang preview..........

[novakai]

6 hours ago, sandlemad said:

Are we expecting the demigryphs to disappear and effectively act as Cavalier proxies? I suppose Freeguild Guard will do the same for Steelhelms, though that’s more of a loadout difference for those with spears or halberds.

Incidentally, did anyone catch what’s up with the priest-dude in the Steelhelms kit?

Demigryphs are monsterous cav and on different base size compare to the new cavaliers (they probably more of a replacement for the long gone Empire knights).

while baring any new unrevealed kits, they would still have a role in cities as their isn’t a unit similar to them but I pretty sure every old empire kits is on the table of being possibly cut.

[EntMan]

I think the Elves will be OK.

[RyantheFett]

23 minutes ago, novakai said:

Demigryphs are monsterous cav and on different base size compare to the new cavaliers (they probably more of a replacement for the long gone Empire knights).

while baring any new unrevealed kits, they would still have a role in cities as their isn’t a unit similar to them but I pretty sure every old empire kits is on the table of being possibly cut.

See that is one of the units I give pause on. I really thought that GW was cutting a lot bigger chunk from the faction, but it seems like units from Iornweld and collegiate arcane will still be around.

At some point GW will remove all their old units, but it seems like it will take a few more years for that to happen.

The Demigryps is still a pretty good model so I could see it surviving for a bit longer.

[Dawi not Duardin]

2 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Even after the End Times, the Franz can't be contained - he lives on in another form to summon the Elector Counts.

This action does not have our consent!

...or does it? 🤔

[The Lost Sigmarite]

1 hour ago, EntMan said:

I think the Elves will be OK.

Still thinking the dwarf blends more with the human than the elf. I think it's because AoS sigmarite aesthetic is reminiscent of dwarfs especially in SCE (big burly armor, hammers, runes, facemasks with beards). The problem with the elf is I think, the black/purple color scheme that really doesn't blend too well, and all the edgy spikes and skulls he has... I'm betting he has headphones under his helmet blasting some Linkin Park. 
I'd be cool to see reimagined Cities elves later down the line though. With more varied and dynamic poses and less emo looking. 

(Edit : no offense to Dark Elves enjoyers, but I never really clicked with them - I think it's because of that edgy emo aesthetic of theirs. But if you like them it's ok).

17 minutes ago, Dawi not Duardin said:

This action does not have our consent!

...or does it? 🤔

I don't know. Just bring him to his men. 

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[EccentricCircle]

Those dwarves may be from the old world but they really aren't that old. They came out at the back end of eighth edition, so not long at all before AoS was announced. Given the lead times on new models, especially big waves, thry could well have been designed after the first wave of stormcast and in the same R&D phase that would give us fyreslayers a year or so later.

[Fulcanelli]

Speaking of misterious new kits: I dreamed about it, or Whitefang hinted new Sisters of Sigmar? 

They could replace flagellants or even greatsword, being an elite-great weapon unit.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Fulcanelli

[The Lost Sigmarite]

12 hours ago, EccentricCircle said:

Those dwarves may be from the old world but they really aren't that old. They came out at the back end of eighth edition, so not long at all before AoS was announced. Given the lead times on new models, especially big waves, thry could well have been designed after the first wave of stormcast and in the same R&D phase that would give us fyreslayers a year or so later.

And the remaining dark elves are older that that. If I remember correctly they're 7th edition WFB. So likely from a different R&D phase that wave 1 SCE and Fyreslayers, and that shows imo. 

[Lightbox]

5 minutes ago, Fulcanelli said:

Speaking of misterious new kits: I dreamed about it, or Whitefang hinted new Sisters of Sigmar? 

They could replace flagellants or even greatsword, being an elite-great weapon unit.

My poor wallet if this is true...

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

7 minutes ago, Fulcanelli said:

Speaking of misterious new kits: I dreamed about it, or Whitefang hinted new Sisters of Sigmar? 

They could replace flagellants or even greatsword, being an elite-great weapon unit.

If I remember correctly, Whitefang said something to the effect that we should not worry about female representation in Cities of Sigmar.

Might well have been a reference to Tahlia Vedra.

[Fulcanelli]

It's possible that was an enthusiastic interpretation of that phrase... I can't find the exact conversation.

Still I really would love to see an elite warrior-priestess unit, I think it'd fit well the Dawnbringer Crusade theme!

[JackStreicher]

14 hours ago, EntMan said:

I think the Elves will be OK.

they will once their units don't get the worst of crappy stats again - that's what made playing Darkling's in Cities so tedious. (I'd love to field my giant Darkling Horde along humans and Dwarves!)