Warhammer - The Old World

[Overread]

9 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Would Corona even make that much of an impact in their development to say that it probably wouldn't be anywhere near their factories for a couple more years? 

The thing is design staff might have a hard time working. They might not have all teh design assets they need at home. From computers and drawing materials through to archives of printed/drawn reference material and such. They might lack the dynamic of the office to chat easily and propose ideas. Heck even just pushing bits of paper around as models to test game play ideas and structure would be important steps. You need to know if its going to be rank and file and the nature of rank and file to then design models. Models that must stand rank and file need different sculpting requirements to those that are free standing and might only optionally move near to each other.

 

Furthermore whilst Corona might not affect it specifically, it has affected everything else so other projects getting delays (GW is at least 6 months behind); other setups being pushed around etc... These might all combine to delay other things which then quickly take up time slots that were originally set aside for this. GW might even have pushed/cancelled/delayed other releases that we've not even heard of to  move things around some. 

 

So yep Corona might well have impacted this, even if its still in an early conceptual stage of development. 

[Eldarain]

I'm building some of my unbuilt kits for some 8th Old World nostalgia fun right now. If they make modern quality GW Bretonnian sculpts for Old World I'll 100% support and buy into that.

Also does anyone think this might be round based in square trays the way LoTR/Conquest/ASoIaF are?

Edited September 29, 2020 by Eldarain

[Ggom]

1 hour ago, Eldarain said:

I'm building some of my unbuilt kits for some 8th Old World nostalgia fun right now. If they make modern quality GW Bretonnian sculpts for Old World I'll 100% support and buy into that.

Also does anyone think this might be round based in square trays the way LoTR/Conquest/ASoIaF are?

I hope they place rounds in squares so that the miniatures are compatible between systems. Also allows for fun basing opportunities!

I think it’s unlikely to come with the initial release, but I would love to get wood elves in this system one day, with modern sculpts, but a classical fantasy theme.

[RuneBrush]

5 hours ago, Eldarain said:

Also does anyone think this might be round based in square trays the way LoTR/Conquest/ASoIaF are?

Sorry to steal the jam out your doughnut on this, but it's already been confirmed that The Old World will be square bases

[Eldarain]

8 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

Sorry to steal the jam out your doughnut on this, but it's already been confirmed that The Old World will be square bases

I'm fine with that too. Was it mentioned anywhere beyond that marketing image of a 20mm on white background?

[Beliman]

4 hours ago, Eldarain said:

I'm fine with that too. Was it mentioned anywhere beyond that marketing image of a 20mm on white background?

I'm interested in the answer too. Btw, I don't have any problem with square bases too 👌

[Sttufe]

I think I might print some square bases that can accept round bases inside of them, as the round base on the inside should be non intrusive and I prefer round bases for display purposes.

[michu]

13 hours ago, Sttufe said:

I think I might print some square bases that can accept round bases inside of them, as the round base on the inside should be non intrusive and I prefer round bases for display purposes.

Unfortunately, 25mm rounds won't fit into 20mm squares.

[Beastmaster]

I can’t see me starting another army completely from scratch, just because of the base form.

So far, every single Specialist Game was deliberately designed so that you could use almost all models in all games. It really adds felt value to the miniatures, even if you don’t plan to play those in the near future.  Weird to move away from this concept. And it divides the player base with every miniature they build.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Beastmaster

[Overread]

GW might well use round bases but then use a slot based movement tray system. In practical terms many people used movement trays for Old World. The actual base shape the model was on didn't really matter so long as they fit rank and file together on a movement tray. 

 

It would be a neat idea and bridges the gap between Old World and AoS because they know many pepole will want to cross over models just like they do with 30K and 40K. 

[cyrus]

If I recall well @RuneBrush was lucky enough to sit at specialist seminar at the new year's open day at warhammer world.

Andy Hoare said that square bases are 100% confirmed .

[EccentricCircle]

As has been noted, its not just a case of base shape, but size as well. AoS has generally oversized models for its scale, so base creep has definitely been a thing over the last few years. Many of the newer models simply wouldn't fit comfortably on a 20mm or even 25mm square, which are the standard infantry bases for WFB. If they did want a square base that could hold a round base, it would have to be very large indeed. I can't see them making the new models in a more "true" 25 or 28 scale. We should thus probably expect to be seeing 32mm squares in the future.

 

[RuneBrush]

@Eldarain, @Beliman If memory serves it was confirmed on a Twitch stream with Andy Hoare earlier on in this year that they'd be square.  Not a lot known for certain beyond that (e.g. if regiment bases or movement trays would be a thing)

[Beliman]

14 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

@Eldarain, @Beliman If memory serves it was confirmed on a Twitch stream with Andy Hoare earlier on in this year that they'd be square.  Not a lot known for certain beyond that (e.g. if regiment bases or movement trays would be a thing)

Thanks for the answer! I don't have any problems with round bases on square trays or square bases on square trays. Is there any hint or leak in what armies are going to be supported?

[cyrus]

2 hours ago, Beliman said:

Thanks for the answer! I don't have any problems with round bases on square trays or square bases on square trays. Is there any hint or leak in what armies are going to be supported?

Definitely Kislev and Empire from the first posts. It can be even different empire factions from each province shown on "new" old world map.

Just a personal thought , I would wait for Greenskins,Dwarfs,Vampire Counts,Bretonnia and Norsca ( as for Total War warhammer 1)

[michu]

Yeah, factions I wait for are: Dwarfs, Empire (either Middenheim or Nuln), Bretonnia, Orcs and Goblins, Warriors of Chaos, Beastmen... oh, and High Elves so I can use my IoB models.

Edited September 30, 2020 by michu

[EccentricCircle]

Requisite post expressing my undying (heh) love for Tomb Kings.

[Greyshadow]

Squares is a bad idea in my humble opinion. Game needs to be compatible with Age of Sigmar in the same way Heresy is for Warhammer 40,000. I was pretty gutted when the Old World was replaced but I am feeling very Meh about this project.

[Joseph Mackay]

I think it’s worth pointing out too that Tomb Kings and Bretonia won’t return. They were discontinued for reasons (presumably bad sales according to some people, but mostly because GW can’t stop people from copying them as they are too generic for gw to claim they own the ip/copyrights etc.) the Chapter House lawsuit proved this to be the case with a lot of things. Hell, gw even lost the ownership of some of their ip (characters) because Chapter House were able to release their version of the model first, even though Chapter House didn’t own the ip for them.

note: I may be interchangeably getting IP, Copyright and Trademarks mixed up, but the intent of my comments should be clear regardless

if this game doesn’t include Dwarfs, Dark/High/Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Vampire Counts etc then my interest is basically non existent. I don’t like Horus Heresy because it’s (mostly) marines vs marines. If The Old World was only Empire vs Empire (or whatever Humans are called) then I’m not interested at all.

i also think, as others have said, it’s important for the models to be compatible with AoS 

[JackStreicher]

Square bases suck 😕

guess I‘ll not play this system then ^^

[Beastmaster]

50 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Square bases suck 😕

guess I‘ll not play this system then ^^

Yep.

Though, to be honest, I’m not a fan of Rank&File anyway. Just hoping for some oldworld fluff and some a bit „earthier“ miniatures to use for other purposes. Which will be stuck on round bases no matter what.

Edited October 1, 2020 by Beastmaster

[michu]

5 hours ago, Joseph Mackay said:

I think it’s worth pointing out too that Tomb Kings and Bretonia won’t return. They were discontinued for reasons (presumably bad sales according to some people, but mostly because GW can’t stop people from copying them as they are too generic for gw to claim they own the ip/copyrights etc.) the Chapter House lawsuit proved this to be the case with a lot of things. Hell, gw even lost the ownership of some of their ip (characters) because Chapter House were able to release their version of the model first, even though Chapter House didn’t own the ip for them.

note: I may be interchangeably getting IP, Copyright and Trademarks mixed up, but the intent of my comments should be clear regardless

if this game doesn’t include Dwarfs, Dark/High/Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Vampire Counts etc then my interest is basically non existent. I don’t like Horus Heresy because it’s (mostly) marines vs marines. If The Old World was only Empire vs Empire (or whatever Humans are called) then I’m not interested at all.

i also think, as others have said, it’s important for the models to be compatible with AoS 

They can't copyright Landsknechts and yet we still have Empire units in AoS. And don't try to tell me they're not generic - tell me how Freeguild Guard differs from Warlord Games Landsknechts? Because GW unit lacks shoes? And considering Brets and TK - remember that people often realize they liked something when it's gone - Bretonnia and Tomb Kings will sell better now (especially if they get new, better rules) - nostalgia is a powerful weapon. Oh, and we know that it won't be Empire vs Empire only - they showed us Kislev as first faction!

And I'm shocked that people are surprised this game will use square bases. That teaser was not enough? And still the issue of basing can be solved with accordingly designed trays - KoW for example makes it possible to use less miniatures than full unit requires so you can fit your round based units on regular trays. It can be done.

[JackStreicher]

To add to what @michu said:

Bretonnia did not receive anything new for 15 years? I had saved up a hoard of treasure to buy into new Bretonnia Models, but they never came. So how should this faction produce any revenue if it was forgotten by GW?

As for Khemri: 

I loved the new models and planned to buy into the army once those ugly old Skeleton Warriors and Chariots would be renewed. Guess what never happened... GW was (and pretty often still is) utterly incapable of recognizing what fans want. At times it feels like they‘re completely out of touch with the fanbase. 😕

Examples: Skaven and all their old sculpts, still no humans for AoS, Slaves to weakness still have no multipart kit for new warriors, Space Marine overhype, the decisive design of Lumineth., the base size of Morgwaeeth‘s Bloodcoven (crying bloody tears), FeC still have no Variety, rules that make factions dominate entire phases, the slow Death of Legions of Nagash,  the usefulness of Nighthaunt and Stormcast, all the old models that need an update

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by JackStreicher

[cyrus]

9 hours ago, Greyshadow said:

Squares is a bad idea in my humble opinion. Game needs to be compatible with Age of Sigmar in the same way Heresy is for Warhammer 40,000. I was pretty gutted when the Old World was replaced but I am feeling very Meh about this project.

Square bases are part of the game and warhammer fantasy imaginary . And no the game  does not need to be compatible with Age of Sigmar.

It was already mentioned that AoS studio will not be involved at all .

As we know it will be treated in the same manner of specialist games (aka Blood bowl and Necromunda)

Rank and file battle games are still a thing out there

[Beastmaster]

28 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

To add to what @michu said:

Bretonnia did not receive anything new for 15 years? I had saved up a hoard of treasure to buy into new Bretonnia Models, but they never came. So how should this faction produce any revenue if it was forgotten by GW?

As for Khemri: 

I loved the new models and planned to buy into the army once those ugly old Skeleton Warriors and Chariots would be renewed. Guess what never happened... GW was (and pretty often still is) utterly incapable of recognizing what fans want. At times it feels like they‘re completely out of touch with the fanbase. 😕

Examples: Skaven and all their old sculpts, still no humans for AoS, Slaves to weakness still have no multipart kit for new warriors, Space Marine overhype, the decisive design of Lumineth., the base size of Morgwaeeth‘s Bloodcoven (crying bloody tears), FeC still have no Variety, rules that make factions dominate entire phases, the slow Death of Legions of Nagash,  the usefulness of Nighthaunt and Stormcast, all the old models that need an update

 

I think there’s a lot of self-fulfilling prophecy involved. People realize very quickly if a range or a model is neglected miniature- or ruleswise. Which leads to less sales, less likelihood of investment on GW part, and so on. May be impossible at times to discern what came first.