Beliman Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) I will be reallly annoyed if I can't buy some dwarfs... Edited April 8 by Gaz Taylor swearing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, Beliman said: I will be reallly annoyed if I can't buy some dwarfs... Me too. I want the plastic king and the two resin characters. The rest will be from Highland miniatures. Edited April 8 by Gaz Taylor swearing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, Beliman said: I will be reallly annoyed if I can't buy some dwarfs... If you cannot now you would be able later. Edited April 8 by Gaz Taylor swearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: I agree TOW has been a success, but without being able to see in the preorders 1/4000 boxes sold (which you can guess with numbered stuff like premium BTs), it is impossible to see. Imagine we have a visual of the numbers and the TOW stuff is all sold out 0/200 available, meanwhile, nothing is sold out for AoS but you can see 1000/2000. Is TOW a bigger success? No. It is sold out, yes. But it didn't sell more. I think something like this happened. This can be reversed. We don't know if the TOW stock was the same as AoS one, it wouldn't sell out anyway. Edited April 7 by michu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Tonhel said: If you don't have a 3d printer or have an old collection it is almost impossible to start a TOW army. Tbf, a) other miniature manufacturers exist (and TOW factions being fairly generic helps) and b) you don't need a 3d printer to buy 3d printed miniatures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosskelot Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Tonhel said: Bretonnia was also a bad seller during 8th, even worse than Beastmen as they got exactly zero attention during 8th and I think also during 7th edition. If I remember correctly their latest armybook was from 6th edition. From the last Honest Wargamer youtube vid, it's mentioned that the Bretonnia Exiles seems very popular. When an army gets proper attention with fun army options, a couple of nice kits it will do well. This is true for any army in any game system. BoC sold poorly during AoS, is because they got almost zero attention in 9 years. They could have done a lot of cool and crazy stuff for BoC. The technology is there to make amazing monsters. So much stuff they could have explored, so many bizar and wonderful miniatures that could have been done, but what did they got a single beastlord mini and a couple of spells. So anything that Beastmen will get through TOW will already be a succes compared what they got through AoS. Beastmen got a 7th ed army book and a giant release wave. Most of what you see in the army currently is from that 2010 release. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitzok Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 4 hours ago, Garrac said: It sucks this will absolutely happen It sucks even more this will happen 100%, with a 28,5mm rebasing I doubt the clanrats will get 28,5 mm bases, maybe even stormvermin won't. cryptguard are on 25mm and skeletons stayed on 25mm too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, pitzok said: I doubt the clanrats will get 28,5 mm bases, maybe even stormvermin won't. cryptguard are on 25mm and skeletons stayed on 25mm too. yeah hobgrots are on 25s so unless they make the rats noticeably bigger I doubt it, maybe if they remake stormvermin they'll go onto 28.5s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togetak Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, EonChao said: The Endless Spells and terrain were sculpts specifically for AoS, so even if the Beastlord could be argued to be an unused WFB sculpt (which it probably wasn't) they definitely had time and effort put into them. Likewise we know the main studio staff were improving the overall Beastmen look from Underworlds and the various 40k Beastmen they produced. And they were featured regularly as Chaos forces in novels, instead of pushing something else instead. So it was almost certain they were considering keeping a hold of the range for AoS until something change internally for TOW. You can definitely see there was an abrupt change to things, they had a huge amount of lingering plot threads that seemed to be leading up to something across late 3e and early 4e. They even had it intertwine with the Thondia narrative and Incarnates early into the edition, with Ghorraghan Khai appearing in both (and having some lingering implications in the battletome he was supposed to be even more important) and setting himself up as a big character. Then all that abruptly vanished in the middle of the edition, which feels pretty direct Edited April 7 by Togetak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Frankly thought narrative plot points like those are probably worthless ( or at least have no weight) in determining if an armies future in the game. Similar to how Wanderer got a black library novel but still got axed from CoS. from what I can tell with GW, releases like Terrain features, single hero release and Underworld warbands are disposable releases where they can discontinue them without much hassle or much production cost losses. You see this all the time with special event models, kill team releases, and of course underworld models are push to fit and get range rotated often. BoC if compare to other armies have gotten the least product content of all the battletome armies. Of course now the only army in AoS that feels in danger is Ogor Mawtribe but they at least have gotten a little more then BoC so we will have to see what their plans are with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 22 minutes ago, Togetak said: You can definitely see there was an abrupt change to things, they had a huge amount of lingering plot threads that seemed to be leading up to something across late 3e and early 4e. They even had it intertwine with the Thondia narrative and Incarnates early into the edition, with Ghorraghan Khai appearing in both (and having some lingering implications in the battletome he was supposed to be even more important) and setting himself up as a big character. Then all that abruptly vanished in the middle of the edition, which feels pretty direct There were rumours even earlier. This was supposed to be the new roster for BoC before 3rd Edition: Apparently, they removed Broken Realms: Alarielle's book was the key to fit the narrative and that's why it was scrapped. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Well I feel they wrote themselves in a corner when they gave all the Beast and Ghur themes to Gorkamorka and Grand alliance Destruction but then still try to juggle Beast of chaos as this other Beastal force but for Chaos I would have put Beastmen into Destruction in AoS 1.0 and just wipe the slate clean that they were historically a chaos faction in fantasy. Or course I don’t know if that would ultimately have save them in the end. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togetak Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 26 minutes ago, novakai said: Frankly thought narrative plot points like those are probably worthless ( or at least have no weight) in determining if an armies future in the game. Similar to how Wanderer got a black library novel but still got axed from CoS. I feel like the prince maesa BL novel is pretty different to a new character being introduced and prominent in the end of edition narrative, then the starting narrative of the new edition tying into a bunch of stuff, as well as continued presence of a bunch of different narrative threads across the battletomes and stuff like that. Morghur being hyped up and connected to that character is also kind of suspect, and the way it all vanished and BoC ceased to be mentioned anywhere around the middle of the edition feels like it's telling of something 24 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: There were rumours even earlier. This was supposed to be the new roster for BoC before 3rd Edition: I find the "kragnos was supposed to be a BoC" stuff kind of silly, he looks nothing like ogroids or the centaurion, he's got kruleboyz stuff on his base, and the kruleboyz as a whole are full of visual references to him, including the murknob banner just being a stylistic picture his face. The WD interview that talks about the Kruleboyz design process mentions a bunch of stuff that was purposefully tied into him, too. Kragnos was even vaguely hinted towards way back in the wrath of the everchosen stuff, which didn't depict it as a chaos thing Edited April 7 by Togetak 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I still think that the real reason we lost out on more Seasons of War was not to do with the Incarnate minis but the narrative. Many threads were leading to a major plot point involving BOC. I think they stopped those books because of an in house decision regarding BOC and we are now seeing the fruits of that decision. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 38 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: There were rumours even earlier. This was supposed to be the new roster for BoC before 3rd Edition: Apparently, they removed Broken Realms: Alarielle's book was the key to fit the narrative and that's why it was scrapped. I call bull like Be'lakor warband has nothing to do with beast design wise or lore wise apart from one dude with hooves. They just pick out "beastmen" visually adjacent models especially coming how they show off the Ogroids but not the tzeentch Orgroid 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 32 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: I still think that the real reason we lost out on more Seasons of War was not to do with the Incarnate minis but the narrative. Many threads were leading to a major plot point involving BOC. I think they stopped those books because of an in house decision regarding BOC and we are now seeing the fruits of that decision. I was beginning to think the same. This also ties in with Bonesplitterz. The removal of whfb minis (and finecast) across all of AoS might go faster than expected. Edited April 8 by Gitzdee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 4/6/2024 at 10:08 AM, Starfyre said: It's not really the other way around, it's both. It removes any limitations of how you build your models but limits customising the units load-out and their purpose in your army list e.g. taking shields for defence, taking paired hammers for offence, putting special weapons on the champion because it'll have more attacks with it. It removes all of that side of the game. Personally I modelled my models to match the unit profile I wanted them to have. I don't think it's a good thing really and kind of flies in the face of 'unit profiles are designed around the way the models looks on the tabletop' since neither the shield or the extra hammer do anything different, they've got the same save and same offensive profile regardless. Why even bother wasting the space on the sprue for the paired hammers. it is both, but another big pro is that you don't have to keep buying more of the same unit to have every weapon loadout so you can keep up with whatever meta is current. this is a way to get more casual people into trying out the competitive side. i think there's no good answer to make both parties happy here, and i find myself agreeing with GW picking the modeling/creative freedom side over the weapon rules side. i have literally procrastinated building whole kits because i could not choose which weapon profile to give them ("magnetize them" is not a good answer for this either). will i miss more customization options for lists? sure i will 100%, but i won't miss it as much as feeling free to build a kit however i think looks best. On 4/6/2024 at 10:47 AM, Tonhel said: I find flavour, immersion more important than balance. This is to simplified for me and I am saying this while I am more a hobbyist than a player. Absurd direction. the warscroll still retains flavor in a different way: the shields keep your save at a 3+ and the dual hammers is where the crit mortals comes from. invert it and you get dual wielders who have superhuman parrying and shieldbearers with lightning-charged bashes (directly from the Vindictors' reasoning for having crit mortals in 3e). ALL of that flavor with the same statline as Vindictors, so you can choose based on the unit's traits/abilities rather than weapon profile. Now i'm free to model build AND list build how i want My Army to look on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ejecutor said: There were rumours even earlier. This was supposed to be the new roster for BoC before 3rd Edition: Apparently, they removed Broken Realms: Alarielle's book was the key to fit the narrative and that's why it was scrapped. See I've heard this a few times about certain models being intended for BoC but I don't buy it, the design motifs on them aligns them clearly to S2D for all the chaos stuff imo and kruleboyz for kragnos(he has little scareshield totem things). It just doesn't make sense why they'd go to so much effort to preserve these sculpts to give them to another faction, we know GW frequently just bins kits or puts them on hold forever. Kragnos has no chaos-y stuff on him, legionnaires are humans??? The ogroids were long established as a thing separate to BoC back since like the start of aos with the ogroid thaumaturge in silver tower. Centaurion shares design cues with the legionnaires because they're both part of belakor's little subfaction thing. Fomoroid isn't really a beast too, just kinda like an extra chunky troggoth/extra big ogor. Also furies were never a BoC thing they were always just unaligned daemons I also do not buy that the TOW/specialist games studio team strongarmed the main studio into giving up all this minis for exclusive use in TOW. My best guess would be that BoC were slated for a big remaster eventually but due to some change of priorities within GW(maybe a new chaos faction like chaos duardin being focused on) caused them to completely axe any future plans, and the TOW release is just fortunate timing for them Edited April 8 by Luperci 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 4/6/2024 at 5:44 PM, Asbestress said: Maybe the Lord-Vigilant watches over the others in the Ruination chamber in case their flaws start getting out of hand? i knew there'd be at least one unit doing this my guess that the new 3-elite unit from the trailer is the most stable of Ruination is probably close to the mark too then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said: i knew there'd be at least one unit doing this my guess that the new 3-elite unit from the trailer is the most stable of Ruination is probably close to the mark too then We better see some lightning berserker stormcast with the full release wave and not a stormcast Dreadnought like some people have been saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloomkingWortwazi Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 7 hours ago, Garrac said: I hate that these have outlived the original sculptor I am glad that Colin's legacy lives on beyond him and Aly's work as a sculptor is a foundation of this hobby, as are many of the other older sculptors and designers. Heck, they are foundational in leading me down part of my professional path. Lots of them look quite dated now, but they remain very nostalgic and flavourful for me. The 4E and Mordheim era plastic and metal Skaven he was involved in will always have a special place in my heart, especially Veskit, and I am only missing a few of these sculpts for my collection. Same for the 6E Grave Guard. I'm sure older Dwarf players would feel the same about those sculpts. Now that's not to say I don't want some modern ninja rat sculpts outside of Underworlds. I most certainly do! Edited April 8 by GloomkingWortwazi 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Da list updated! Two possibilities for next week: - Old world content - Dawnbringers+ Darkoath 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01rtb01 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Colin Dixon? When did he pass?! Gutted genuinely didn't know about that. The guy is a legend and I'm sad for his friends and family. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 hours ago, CommissarRotke said: will i miss more customization options for lists? sure i will 100%, but i won't miss it as much as feeling free to build a kit however i think looks best. Agreed with bells on! All my decisions when I'm assembling models are based on a) the lore, and b) what looks cool. My Chaos Warriors all have paired weapons, because that feels more Slaanesh-ish and, therefore, cool. That might not have been the best tactical option, but I don't care. Indeed, at the moment they're having to count as having other armaments, since the paired weapon option got the shove. Anyway, the whole 'counts as' thing is nothing new. Standard bearers and whatnot have always counted as being armed the same as the models around them, for the sake of simplicity. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 33 minutes ago, 01rtb01 said: Colin Dixon? When did he pass?! Gutted genuinely didn't know about that. The guy is a legend and I'm sad for his friends and family. He passed away about 4 months ago. https://medium.com/@eric.seri/colin-dixon-in-memory-of-a-great-sculptor-artist-de7f85f0ffc8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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