The Rumour Thread

[Mutton]

1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:

Something like the Conquest approach would be ideal for me, indeed. The same minis are usable in both games. They have rounded bases and square traits, like you said. Square for Armies and Round for skirmishes. It could be done exactly like that for TOW and AoS.

I'd argue Conquest is just a better game anyway.

[Vaellas]

I still think that BoC will still be a thing. Maybe their name will change with some lore updates like with High elves and Lumineth, but if anything to go by the Beastlord model was an update that the rest may receive and not sure about other books but there was some BoC in the Godeaters Son novel and that is set in The Parch which is also the current setting for Aqshy at the start of 4th edition so they are in the area lorewise.

[GloomkingWortwazi]

Yeah, I personally don't see them getting removed completely, just heavily reworked and possibly merged as a subfaction in STD or something.

[GloomkingWortwazi]

Also, maybe along the Adamantine Chain is where the Skaven are setting up shop for AoS4?
Was just flicking through the CoS book and noticed the two warren-cities marked on the map of The Great Parch:

[Jetlife]

As much as we are expecting the game to change, I still question how significant it will be. Matthew Rose who has been the lead of AOS only got the position in the end of 2021, meaning he didn’t have much to do with third edition.

Since he’s taken over and stepped out into the spotlight, I feel like the game has been at its best. He’s involved with every meta watch article  and the game has drastically improved upon changing rules with the battlescrolls. Is the game perfect no, but I genuinely feel he is pushing to make it better.

This will be his first crack at a new edition and so I am excited to see what he does with it. I believe we have already seen a lot of the changes they speak upon in the videos. Making things more elegant and simple. We’ve seen this in the most recent battlescroll with simplified version of bodyguard rule and through the last 18 months we’ve seen tweaks to the wording and language of several rules.

Let Matt Rose cook!! 

[Chikout]

8 minutes ago, Jetlife said:

As much as we are expecting the game to change, I still question how significant it will be. Matthew Rose who has been the lead of AOS only got the position in the end of 2021, meaning he didn’t have much to do with third edition.

Since he’s taken over and stepped out into the spotlight, I feel like the game has been at its best. He’s involved with every meta watch article  and the game has drastically improved upon changing rules with the battlescrolls. Is the game perfect no, but I genuinely feel he is pushing to make it better.

This will be his first crack at a new edition and so I am excited to see what he does with it. I believe we have already seen a lot of the changes they speak upon in the videos. Making things more elegant and simple. We’ve seen this in the most recent battlescroll with simplified version of bodyguard rule and through the last 18 months we’ve seen tweaks to the wording and language of several rules.

Let Matt Rose cook!! 

Yeah. This will a very interesting edition. The core rules for third edition and the first few battletomes were all written with Jarvis as the lead. My worry is that I'm not sure how creative Matt is. We could end up with a well balanced game that lacks an exciting hook. 

[ScionOfOssia]

19 minutes ago, Chikout said:

Yeah. This will a very interesting edition. The core rules for third edition and the first few battletomes were all written with Jarvis as the lead. My worry is that I'm not sure how creative Matt is. We could end up with a well balanced game that lacks an exciting hook. 

I hope that some stuff gets changed. I like Relentless Discipline, but it feels kind of boring. Tides of Death seems cool, but capitalizing on it seems hard without basically going Run+Shoot instead of Run+Charge on 2, because so much of the army wants to charge on 3 to capitalize on High Tide+Wave Riders/Crash Upon The Foe/Biovoltaic Barrier/Wave Rider, and none of those guys are seeing play currently 

[Stormy1486]

Wonder if the index will purge duradins from CoS?

I believe there is not meant to be any kits across AoS & ToW? Like all the old races from ToW dont use any AoS models offically and try to restrict them? Thats why skaven, seraphon and vampires aren't in ToW? Too many useful old kits?

They purged 'black orcs' from AoS to make way for them in ToW.

Is the steam tank in model in ToW?  Savage orks? Some shared models between the two systems?

So the launch of mountain holds and the CoS battletome becoming obselete sounds like the time duradin will get purged.

I really hope we get a road map, because based off 10th edition 40k, we will get the following this year

1) 4th edition launch box

2) 2nd wave SCE & skaven

3) 1-2 tiny releases for two more armies (usual foot hero and battletome).

I note some armies are beyond crying out for a larger release (kharadon, idoneth, fyreslayers), similar to the sylvaneth release of (2022?).

When was the last time we got a proper new army? Sons of B? Bonereapers? Seems its years between fully new army releases.

Its been years, but im pretty dubious about the claims both malerion and chaos dwarves are both coming in 4th edition.

 

 

[Big Kim Woof-Woof]

1 hour ago, Stormy1486 said:

I believe there is not meant to be any kits across AoS & ToW? Like all the old races from ToW dont use any AoS models offically and try to restrict them? Thats why skaven, seraphon and vampires aren't in ToW? Too many useful old kits?

Daemons, too... who are already doing double-duty with 40k! 

[Beliman]

3 hours ago, Jetlife said:

Matthew Rose who has been the lead of AOS only got the position in the end of 2021, meaning he didn’t have much to do with third edition.

I think exactly the same. I just hope that the people above the creative and developers doens't bother with Matt Rose stuff.

11 hours ago, Bosskelot said:

The amount of gigantic core rules changes is actually kind of crazy for a game not even a year old, and the index/codex changes are pretty gargantuan too. While it is good GW is willing to make those sorts of changes it also shows just what a complete disasterzone 10th was on release.

I know that it will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see a gigantic amount of changes in that PDF. Not so diferent than AoS, only 1 page of core rules changes (mainly to devastating wounds and a few clarifications or better wording to how can you use the Insane bravery/Overwtach stratas).

Everything else seems to be focused on factions, that is expected (if you group up all codex's FAQ's, you would probably end with 20-30 or more pages). 

Edited March 26 by Beliman

[Tonhel]

7 hours ago, Neverchosen said:

I think this is clearly relative, I don't think 6-8 years is a really lengthy time for Games Workshop to develop a new design, commission artwork, create updated lore, detail new rules, work on a marketing strategy and eventually release an entirely reworked faction for Beasts of Chaos in Age of Sigmar while also working on updating all existing factions and possibly releasing some new ones that are earlier in their update queue for all their games.

I didn't mean to suggest that Beasts were actually going away, or that they would fulfill the same niche as Darkoath. I was merely suggesting that if they were squatted for the edition, that until they got an eventual update, that proxying them would be a possible way of continuing to use the models that people put so much time and effort into.

In other words I was just trying to create a hypothetical contingency for those of us that are worried that one of our favourite factions might not get rules support for some time. I also am not meaning to stoke the fires of anxiety, but simply trying to figure out a way to still find some degree of hope in seeing Beasts of Chaos on the tabletop in response to these rumours. 

I really hope the rumours turn out to be false and to look back at this post and laugh.

For project development it is indeed not a very long time. But for the average hobbyist 6-8 years is a long time to wait for a revamp of your favorite faction / this combined with the uncertainty that there even will be a revamp can be demotivating.

Hopefully GW will soon make a post about all the factions in AoS. In the same way they did with the Core factions of TOW.

About TOW, I don't think that the specialist design studio is against using AoS mini's for TOW, as they have slipped in some base sizes / base options that are cleary meant for new AoS kits instead of the older Warhammer kits.

It seems to me that the AoS seems more inclined for a hard line betwee the ranges.

[Ookami]

I guess the 3rd edition was a filler one. It was concentrated mostly around some local conflicts and stuff. As I remember that’s because community wanted it. Even Dawnbringers are set on the different scale unlike Broken Realms were. So my hope is that next edition will bring more global mess. And in this case we will see more new armies and comprehensive twists. Chaos dwarves, malerion aelves, ossiarch legions expanded, daughters of khaine civil war, fyreslayers/kharadron/idoneth new units, new destruction or death army maybe? 

[Tonhel]

3 hours ago, Jetlife said:

As much as we are expecting the game to change, I still question how significant it will be. Matthew Rose who has been the lead of AOS only got the position in the end of 2021, meaning he didn’t have much to do with third edition.

Since he’s taken over and stepped out into the spotlight, I feel like the game has been at its best. He’s involved with every meta watch article  and the game has drastically improved upon changing rules with the battlescrolls. Is the game perfect no, but I genuinely feel he is pushing to make it better.

This will be his first crack at a new edition and so I am excited to see what he does with it. I believe we have already seen a lot of the changes they speak upon in the videos. Making things more elegant and simple. We’ve seen this in the most recent battlescroll with simplified version of bodyguard rule and through the last 18 months we’ve seen tweaks to the wording and language of several rules.

Let Matt Rose cook!! 

 

20 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I think exactly the same. I just hope that the people above the creative and developers doens't bother with Matt Rose stuff.

I didn't know that, but for me AoS 3th edition was the best with the first 1-2 GHB's. They lost me with the latest GHB's. So that would be his influence. 

[Ejecutor]

4 hours ago, Vaellas said:

I still think that BoC will still be a thing. Maybe their name will change with some lore updates like with High elves and Lumineth, but if anything to go by the Beastlord model was an update that the rest may receive and not sure about other books but there was some BoC in the Godeaters Son novel and that is set in The Parch which is also the current setting for Aqshy at the start of 4th edition so they are in the area lorewise.

They are everywhere lorewise. That's why they are the main NPCs for the Dawnbringer crusades.

[Beliman]

2 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

I didn't know that, but for me AoS 3th edition was the best with the first 1-2 GHB's. They lost me with the latest GHB's. So that would be his influence. 

They lost me after the first reading of 3.0 core rules.

[Ejecutor]

3 hours ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:

Also, maybe along the Adamantine Chain is where the Skaven are setting up shop for AoS4?
Was just flicking through the CoS book and noticed the two warren-cities marked on the map of The Great Parch:

That's literally where Embergard is as well. Also, on a side note someone on WhatsApp brightened the CGI trailer bit where the Steelhelms appear and there was a banner where the Embergard icon could be seen.

 

Edited March 26 by Ejecutor

[Ejecutor]

2 hours ago, Stormy1486 said:

Wonder if the index will purge duradins from CoS?

I believe there is not meant to be any kits across AoS & ToW? Like all the old races from ToW dont use any AoS models offically and try to restrict them? Thats why skaven, seraphon and vampires aren't in ToW? Too many useful old kits?

They purged 'black orcs' from AoS to make way for them in ToW.

Is the steam tank in model in ToW?  Savage orks? Some shared models between the two systems?

So the launch of mountain holds and the CoS battletome becoming obselete sounds like the time duradin will get purged.

I really hope we get a road map, because based off 10th edition 40k, we will get the following this year

1) 4th edition launch box

2) 2nd wave SCE & skaven

3) 1-2 tiny releases for two more armies (usual foot hero and battletome).

I note some armies are beyond crying out for a larger release (kharadon, idoneth, fyreslayers), similar to the sylvaneth release of (2022?).

When was the last time we got a proper new army? Sons of B? Bonereapers? Seems its years between fully new army releases.

Its been years, but im pretty dubious about the claims both malerion and chaos dwarves are both coming in 4th edition.

 

 

Chorfs have been confirmed by Whitefang for 4th ed, so be faithful my friend.

Edited March 26 by Ejecutor

[cyrus]

Regarding BoC in legends we have already 4 out 4 rumormongers which confirmed that: Rob THW , Whitefang, Back me up and SG Warhound.

Plus the entire current range as been shown on square base in ToW Rulebook 

[Bosskelot]

30 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I think exactly the same. I just hope that the people above the creative and developers doens't bother with Matt Rose stuff.

I know that it will be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see a gigantic amount of changes in that PDF. Not so diferent than AoS, only 1 page of core rules changes (mainly to devastating wounds and a few clarifications or better wording to how can you use the Insane bravery/Overwtach stratas).

Everything else seems to be focused on factions, that is expected (if you group up all codex's FAQ's, you would probably end with 20-30 or more pages). 

They're changes after just 6 months of release and many of them like towering and dev wounds significantly change how the game plays. The dev wound change itself is a bigger core rules change than anything in 9th and has still basically lead to a lot of abilities being semi-broken now.

[Beliman]

2 minutes ago, Bosskelot said:

The dev wound change itself is a bigger core rules change than anything in 9th and has still basically lead to a lot of abilities being semi-broken now.

Yeah, I get the point.

But after 3 years, I can't even use my ships in any Artillery Battalion. I was reading the last Dawnbringer V book and it become worst. We waited over 2 years until bodyguard/ward fix!! And I'm not saying that I can't play the game because of that, I'm just saying that the main AoS rules, even if they are not that broken, doesn't feel like they have a solid structure.

Note: Btw, I'm not saying that 40k is perfect.

[GenericEdgyName]

53 minutes ago, cyrus said:

Regarding BoC in legends we have already 4 out 4 rumormongers which confirmed that: Rob THW , Whitefang, Back me up and SG Warhound.

Plus the entire current range as been shown on square base in ToW Rulebook 

Curiously, in this picture we can see the old beastlord. Maybe I'm high on copium, but maybe that just means that yes, the current range moves to OW, but AoS beasts get a revamp to fit the new beastlord. I mean, it would be odd to use the old beastlord if the newer one doesn't stay in AoS, right?

[Nezzhil]

I only want to say something:

- The old cycle was that Kurnothi was gonna receive a big bunch of kits.
- The new cycle is that Orruk Warclans is going to be splitted.

Please, repeating too many times something in this forum don't become taht thing in a rumour or a possibility. Mind calm.

[Flippy]

13 hours ago, Bosskelot said:

Here is the 40k balance dataslate 

The amount of gigantic core rules changes is actually kind of crazy for a game not even a year old, and the index/codex changes are pretty gargantuan too. While it is good GW is willing to make those sorts of changes it also shows just what a complete disasterzone 10th was on release.

Thanks. Doesn't look that bad to me.

[Stormy1486]

1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:

Chorfs have been confirmed by Whitefang for 4th ed, so be faithful my friend.

Its not that im denying what whitefang said. Its more to point out i am dubious malerion is now on the radar for sometime if chaos dwarves are going to be slated for 4th edition.

There are so many games filling out the GW calendar, would'nt be surprised GW spreading out AoS releases. Maybe we'll see Malerion in 5th edition.

I must admit the full square base BoC stuff does concern me a bit which is a shame. Lots of the range needs a refresh, but the gorgon/cygor kit is amazing. Minotaurs do look a bit clunky for the AoS range, kroxigor/ogroids/troggoths look a lot better as kits.

[Big Kim Woof-Woof]

56 minutes ago, GenericEdgyName said:

Curiously, in this picture we can see the old beastlord. Maybe I'm high on copium, but maybe that just means that yes, the current range moves to OW, but AoS beasts get a revamp to fit the new beastlord. I mean, it would be odd to use the old beastlord if the newer one doesn't stay in AoS, right?

The old metal Shamans are also shown in that pic (they're models that I love, but that's irrelevant...) No idea what that means.