Baz Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Nezzhil said: Or like a Warcry warband I'm not listening!! Mini release of 3 or 4 kits or we riot! 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 22 hours ago, Flippy said: I used “shelves” more metaphorically 😄 Anyway, can you imagine the reaction of someone interested in TOW being told that they should move to this other side of the shop and pick AoS kits (but only some of them, the ones that are cross compatible) and a handful of square bases? GW can use new models, sure - but they should, at the very least, use different boxes (maybe with different numbers of models, but I suppose that would be very difficult). What I find ridiculous is the idea of publishing a miniature tabletop game with its own (strong) brand and then telling people to buy minis for a different game. And I think they went with squares and started with Bretonnia and Tomb Kings to avoid this particular issue- at least for now. They’ve already said that TOW isn’t expected to be people’s first wargame (something to that affect, when asked about a starter box in the Old World Q&A at Warhammerfest), I’m sure the people they’re aiming it at can understand the concept of models from a different game being compatible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleser Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Baz said: I'm not listening!! Mini release of 3 or 4 kits or we riot! Hopefully it is not like gobos wolf riders release 😅 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0x54 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 8:14 PM, Ejecutor said: I would say the overall consensus is that Callis and Toll would have their minis released during this Dawnbringers book series, but would you see a change in Callis' look as it is kind of inheriting the old WHF armour style rather than the new Freeguild style? Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents I can picture him with clothes kind of similar to the ones from Glaurio Ven Alten III so it pops up from the Steelhelms. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawi not Duardin Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 8:35 AM, Fellman said: The summer King is coming Really hoping for new basic Ghouls too. IMO they are one of the units that lost in quality when it was moved from metal to plastic - the old metal ones looked horrifying, the plastic ones a bit cartoonish - but with GW's sculpts having increased massively in recent years, I think a reimagining could make them look really impressive! 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dawi not Duardin said: Really hoping for new basic Ghouls too. IMO they are one of the units that lost in quality when it was moved from metal to plastic - the old metal ones looked horrifying, the plastic ones a bit cartoonish - but with GW's sculpts having increased massively in recent years, I think a reimagining could make them look really impressive! The old Ghouls are very cool, and quite happy their legacy in some way still exists in the form of Heresy Miniatures ghouls. (Pictured). But I don’t know why people don’t like the plastic ghoul set. I really like the proportions, and the strange Neanderthal like faces make sense given they’re really just generations of humans going through devolution. It’s a unit of Gollums and they really do look the part. Edited July 23, 2023 by Kronos 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawi not Duardin Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kronos said: The old Ghouls are very cool, and quite happy their legacy in some way still exists in the form of Heresy Miniatures ghouls. (Pictured). But I don’t know why people don’t like the plastic ghoul set. I really like the proportions, and the strange Neanderthal like faces make sense given they’re really just generations of humans going through devolution. It’s a unit of Gollums and they really do look the part. Yes the pictured unit looks great! I feel in general GW were struggling with their aesthetic in between the somewhat realistic-looking late metal era, around 6th-7th edition or so when they had changed from the very colourful and also cartoonish 4th and 5th edition, and AoS (or at least End Times). They feel rushed, like they neither have the personality of the old models or the details of the newer ones. For example, the last dwarf (now Dispossessed) range doesn't do it for me either. Ditto for the savage orc (now Bonesplitterz) range (and also several other orc units from that era, such as generic Boar Boyz). Or the by now completely squatted late High Elves range. I guess early AoS also had some vestiges of this problem: for example, the Fyreslayer units (but not heroes and droths) feel like this too... I am not sure what happened around that time, but I've heard it suggested that they were adjusting to digital sculpting processes? However, I think the release of Nagash for End Times was a pivotal point. There they clearly took a step forward and released what I think is one of their absolutely strongest miniatures all things considered. Same with Mortarchs, Stormfiends, lots of Nurgle stuff... There they showed that they had started to master whatever sculpting tools they use now. And now almost everything they release is excellent, whether new armies like Ossiarchs, Nighthaunt and Idoneth or updates like the Lizards, SBGL or StD. It's truly gorgeous stuff. EDIT: I realize I didn't really address the ghouls themselves. I like the metal ones because you can see they are humans who are in the process of losing it. They don't look *that* different from flagellants, who also are on the verge of going crazy, but the ghouls have stepped over a line that the flagellants haven't quite yet. Whereas the plastic spiky bone boys have devolved a bit too much to make sense. They look like generic cartoon monsters. So I actually feel the old metal ones are more like Gollum whereas the plastic ones feel more like something from Warcraft. Edited July 23, 2023 by Dawi not Duardin 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asbestress Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Dawi not Duardin said: Yes the pictured unit looks great! I feel in general GW were struggling with their aesthetic in between the somewhat realistic-looking late metal era, around 6th-7th edition or so when they had changed from the very colourful and also cartoonish 4th and 5th edition, and AoS (or at least End Times). They feel rushed, like they neither have the personality of the old models or the details of the newer ones. For example, the last dwarf (now Dispossessed) range doesn't do it for me either. Ditto for the savage orc (now Bonesplitterz) range (and also several other orc units from that era, such as generic Boar Boyz). Or the by now completely squatted late High Elves range. I guess early AoS also had some vestiges of this problem: for example, the Fyreslayer units (but not heroes and droths) feel like this too... I am not sure what happened around that time, but I've heard it suggested that they were adjusting to digital sculpting processes? However, I think the release of Nagash for End Times was a pivotal point. There they clearly took a step forward and released what I think is one of their absolutely strongest miniatures all things considered. Same with Mortarchs, Stormfiends, lots of Nurgle stuff... There they showed that they had started to master whatever sculpting tools they use now. And now almost everything they release is excellent, whether new armies like Ossiarchs, Nighthaunt and Idoneth or updates like the Lizards, SBGL or StD. It's truly gorgeous stuff. EDIT: I realize I didn't really address the ghouls themselves. I like the metal ones because you can see they are humans who are in the process of losing it. They don't look *that* different from flagellants, who also are on the verge of going crazy, but the ghouls have stepped over a line that the flagellants haven't quite yet. Whereas the plastic spiky bone boys have devolved a bit too much to make sense. They look like generic cartoon monsters. So I actually feel the old metal ones are more like Gollum whereas the plastic ones feel more like something from Warcraft. I'd generally agree with your points in terms of aesthetics and style, however, I will not accept anyone besmirching my beloved Ironbreakers/Irondrakes/Gyrocopter/Runelord/Longbeards/Hammerers etc. 😛 And on the topic of ghouls, I personally really like the current minis. Having had a look at the old ones, I feel they looked a bit too much like just naked zombies, while the new ones have an aesthetic all their own (even more disgusting looking Gollum). Imho I'd really like to see some actual rusted armour/weapons/frayed cloth on them to give them a bit of that "noble knight/squire" look they imagine themselves as. Seeing a ghoul with rusted armour with their spine cutting through the chestplate and jaw sticking out of the helmet, riding a deformed "used to be human" ghoul horse with fraying leather reins and stitched skin saddle/armour would immediately have me considering starting a FEC army to go against my "actually knights/squires in armour" CoS army. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawi not Duardin Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 36 minutes ago, Asbestress said: I'd generally agree with your points in terms of aesthetics and style, however, I will not accept anyone besmirching my beloved Ironbreakers/Irondrakes/Gyrocopter/Runelord/Longbeards/Hammerers etc. 😛 I grant nostalgia may be speaking too. The switch from 5th to 6th was my most active time as a player way back as a kiddo. Everyone probably thinks that era is the best. I certainly remember the veterans back then grumbling about how good even earlier minis were because they had so much personality! ...but clearly the 6th edition dwarfs are the best, there is no competition, just look at this... 7 1 1 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarjo Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 If we do see a new box of basic ghouls, I doubt the design would change that much. The standard ghouls in Warcry and Underworlds have all looked very similar to the existing models, whereas the Saurus needed the update bc the few recent saurus just didn't look like the old sculpts anymore. On the other hand, it'd be really annoying if they do discontinue the current ghoul box. Getting twenty guys for cheap is so important given you need loads for the army, and if they make a more expensive box with half the models it'd be a real kick in the shins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) I love GW for making awesome detailed models. But sometimes less clutter and clever design is more effective. Same with the gigantic scenic bases. I love detailed heroes, detailed generic dudes not so much. Edit: Some details like eyes and other facial features have become so small its almost impossible for me to paint them at all. "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should." Edited July 23, 2023 by Gitzdee 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Gitzdee said: I love GW for making awesome detailed models. But sometimes less clutter and clever design is more effective. Same with the gigantic scenic bases. I love detailed heroes, detailed generic dudes not so much. Edit: Some details like eyes and other facial features have become so small its almost impossible for me to paint them at all. "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should." Yeah, and an additional plus is that simpler models make the more dynamic and ornate models stand out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clan's Cynic Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) Warcry Starter pre-order next week as well as the standalone Nightmare Quest teams. Also another Cities of Sigmar reveal, presumably tomorrow. Edited July 23, 2023 by Clan's Cynic 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) On 7/23/2023 at 6:53 PM, Clan's Cynic said: Warcry Starter pre-order next week as well as the standalone Nightmare Quest teams. Also another Cities of Sigmar reveal, presumably tomorrow. Another previsible week Spoiler Necromunda Squat prospector Age of Sigmar Cities Battletome + Infrantry + Cavalry + Foot Marshall + the Not-Ogor + Alchemist + Manticore + Fusiliers + Doggies Cities Armybox Mistery book Winter Dawnbringer: Orruks? Dawnbringer: 3 Dawnbringer: 4 THE HYPE BOAR WarcryUnderworlds meets Warcry starter Soulblight vs SCE Scenary outside + Old warbands 2 Warbands (Order vs Destro) 2 Warbands (Order vs Death) 2 Warbands (who knows) Krule Monsta-hunta Cities Doggy Hunters Underworlds Skaven Pestilens Starter Set Again?! Core Box Destro Warband Rival Deck 2 Horus Heresy Plastic Lancer Two more Knights Assault Squad Mistery Army Legion Command Squad Primarch Lords of War Dreadnought Champion Warhammer 40k Space Marines Codex - Launch Complete army Tyranids Codex - Launch Complete Army Marines from Agastus Deathleaper Adeptus Mechanicus Necrons Dark Angels Orks Adeptus Custodes T'au Empire Chaos Space Marines Kill Team Votann + Beastmen warbands + scenary outside LotR Nazghûl and the Hobbits Old World Bretonnian Paladin + Standard Bearer Tomb Kings Hero Blood Bowl Grashnak Blackhoof Fatty Nurgle Star Ivan the bones Epic HH The box Dire wolfs Support box (Deredeo, Leviathan, Tarantula & Rapier) Kratos Baneblade Rhino Warhounds New terrain Edited July 27, 2023 by Nezzhil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asbestress Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Warcry Starter pre-order next week as well as the standalone Nightmare Quest teams. Also another Cities of Sigmar reveal, presumably tomorrow. Seems like we are having biweekly articles now. Curious to see if we get reveals at Gen Con or keep up the articles until Nova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Warcry Starter pre-order next week as well as the standalone Nightmare Quest teams. Also another Cities of Sigmar reveal, presumably tomorrow. Artillery here it comes ! We sharing it with Necromunday apparently. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Templar_Lad Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Gotta be artillery tomorrow! Can't wait whatever it's gonna be. The last Cities article also stated there'll be an Old World update later in July. It's really the last week of July this week so I thought it would've been mentioned in the Sunday article, but either they forgot, it means it's only going to be a small update like another map or something, or it's gonna be the last day of July next Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Clan's Cynic said: Warcry Starter pre-order next week as well as the standalone Nightmare Quest teams. Also another Cities of Sigmar reveal, presumably tomorrow. Do we know the Warcry prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I LOVE when they tell us what the Preview mini will be and this time there are 3 different systems!! Supet excited to see the new artillery piece. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 55 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: Artillery here it comes ! We sharing it with Necromunday apparently. The question is not artillery, it is with or without dwarven crew? 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Dawi not Duardin said: but clearly the 6th edition dwarfs are the best, there is no competition, just look at this... Disagree. Kharadron design is peak dwarf design, just look at this: 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarjo Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Do we know the Warcry prices? If its anything over £50-60 I'm going to be annoyed. There should be at least some discount on the models, given that the Underworld fighters are absurdly overprices. Plus it's not even a great Starter kit for warcry, since you need to buy at least one more box to play either warband properly, so it shouldn't be too expensive. In reality, this is GW, so it'll be 25% more than you would reasonably wish to pay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarff Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Beliman said: Disagree. Kharadron design is peak dwarf design, just look at this: KO and FS are peak for me for sure too and both have endless expansion potential. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Beliman said: Disagree. Kharadron design is peak dwarf design, just look at this: Just give me these. Dont need mecha or naked duardin. 9 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 The other smaller starter sets have been very reasonable IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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