The Rumour Thread

[Chikout]

The BoC and Gloomspite articles makes me think we will see a preorder announcement on Sunday. I also checked the LVO website and they said the gw preview seminar is on January 26th at 8.30pm local time. 

With less than a week to go it's prediction time. 

In previous years we've had anything between 6 and 9 different announcements. 

I think the warcry box, the kill team box and the Underworlds warband are a lock. 

With Gloomspite and BoC coming very soon, I think we will see Seraphon previewed with a release in late March or early April. 

For 40k I think we'll see arks of Omen book 4, commander farsight and Snikrot. We could see a little tease of the lion but I think they'll save that for Adepticon. 

We'll probably see some Van Saar vehicles for Necromunda, and maybe something.for the other specialist games. There's also a pretty good chance they'll preview one of the Warhammer+ shows. 

The thing I'd love to see but I don't think will show up is a complete Cities of Sigmar mini. I really want to get a clear picture of what that army's new aesthetic is.

 

 

[Matrindur]

17 hours ago, Ganigumo said:

I wasn't expecting gitz stuff so soon, this probably means they're announced for preorder on sunday right?

2 hours ago, Chikout said:

The BoC and Gloomspite articles makes me think we will see a preorder announcement on Sunday.

I wouldn't expect them this week yet since Astra Militarum didn't get all their new kits last Sunday so they will need another week for the rest. This Sunday will probably be the rest and maybe the announced Boarding Patrol sets for 40k.

[Chikout]

29 minutes ago, Matrindur said:

I wouldn't expect them this week yet since Astra Militarum didn't get all their new kits last Sunday so they will need another week for the rest. This Sunday will probably be the rest and maybe the announced Boarding Patrol sets for 40k.

There are 11 kits up for pre-order tomorrow. Gloomspite, BoC and the remaining Guard comes to a total of 7. Doing an AoS releases alongside a second week of 40k has been done before. It depends whether GW really are ramping up this year or not. 

[Ogregut]

1 hour ago, Chikout said:

There are 11 kits up for pre-order tomorrow. Gloomspite, BoC and the remaining Guard comes to a total of 7. Doing an AoS releases alongside a second week of 40k has been done before. It depends whether GW really are ramping up this year or not. 

I make it at least 9 slots for AoS - 

2 battletomes

2 heroes

1 wolf kit

2 Vanguard boxes

2 sets of dice. 

It's still very possible they mzybd announced Sunday, I think it will February however. 

[Chikout]

1 hour ago, Ogregut said:

I make it at least 9 slots for AoS - 

2 battletomes

2 heroes

1 wolf kit

2 Vanguard boxes

2 sets of dice. 

It's still very possible they mzybd announced Sunday, I think it will February however. 

I wasn't counting dice and stuff as they don't always do them. If you count everything except forgeworld it's 14 items this week. 9 AoS plus commissar, rough riders, upgrade sprue and combat patrol is still less than this week. 

GW have promised quite a lot in February with Warcry, Kill team, Underworlds, Necromunda, World Eaters and Arks of Omen book 2. They also always have a week dedicated to black library in February. 

As far as I'm concerned, they only way we see BoC and Gloomspite in February is if World Eaters sneak out first. 

In any case I hope GW keeps their foot on the gas. The more stuff they release early, the greater the chance that we see some meaningful releases for AoS this year. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Chikout

[KingBrodd]

7 hours ago, Beliman said:

I'm not a BoC or Gitz player, but this new lore-blurbs are a bit diferent from old ones.

They usually talk about the star-players (aka, Gods and named characters with models), and anything new like subfactions, maybe a big event (aka, last campaign) and that's all. 

This last two entrance added more things, like new characters that I'm not familiar with: Ghorraghan Khai, Uzkhad Shatterhoof, Da Overbounder, Boss Seven-eyes or the Trolls subfaction boss, Glogg.

Glad to see all this names, that means that they are not footnotes in the middle of the battletome, but players in the grand scheme. And that's exactly what I want: names, formations, regiments of renown, believable subfactions, etc... no more faceless people.

After my second read, I'm really happy about this two WarCom entrances, just hope that the rules are flavourful enough for everybody.

I completely agree mate, we need to pad out the Realms with characters and Heroes that arent Gods or God Killers.

It helps also the future of potentially adding these characters as dual build named and generic Hero minis. (I REALLY WANNA SEE GLOGG!!)

The fact they focused on new names in these articles gives me such hope for the future of AOS. By the time 5.0 rolls around the Realms are going to be so full of Lore itll rival WHFB.

[Lucentia]

I could see them releasing the AoS books on two different dates, one at the end of Jan, one in Feb sometime to maintain the spring release window, no particular need to keep them together if there's no accompanying dual army box.

I suppose it depends if they'd rather have them together to hype up as a singular AoS release week, or if they're content to have them as parts of multi-system bulk release day.

[Ganigumo]

7 hours ago, Beliman said:

I'm not a BoC or Gitz player, but this new lore-blurbs are a bit diferent from old ones.

They usually talk about the star-players (aka, Gods and named characters with models), and anything new like subfactions, maybe a big event (aka, last campaign) and that's all. 

This last two entrance added more things, like new characters that I'm not familiar with: Ghorraghan Khai, Uzkhad Shatterhoof, Da Overbounder, Boss Seven-eyes or the Trolls subfaction boss, Glogg.

Glad to see all this names, that means that they are not footnotes in the middle of the battletome, but players in the grand scheme. And that's exactly what I want: names, formations, regiments of renown, believable subfactions, etc... no more faceless people.

After my second read, I'm really happy about this two WarCom entrances, just hope that the rules are flavourful enough for everybody.

Glogg and the overbounder already existed, they're the faction heads of the troll and squig subfactions they added during the white dwarfs.
Glogg actually died during the siege of excelsis, but I guess he got better.
Ghorraghan Khai was a shaman featured in broken realms too, he was the character featured in the BoC broken realms box.

Shatterhoof and Boss Seven-eyes are new as far as I'm aware though.

One thing that worries me a bit about the gitz article is that the existing subfactions seem to be returning. AoS 3 has generally shied away from subfactions being based on the divisions within the books, tending to favor ones with general application or that buff a specific unit. The only book that stuck to the subfaction style was skaven, which was more of a 2.5 book based on what I've heard.

Its worrying because Gitz needed a pretty heavy rewrite and this might imply they're not getting it.

[CommissarRotke]

On 1/18/2023 at 4:48 PM, Ferban said:

Well if they think they can support 30k and 40k without too much cannibalization of their own audience

this is one of those times where we can't use 40k as an example: of course 30k didn't split the 40k audience, because so many people are already into Marines it was inevitable 30k's Marine Civil War would sell like gangbusters.

[The Red King]

9 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

this is one of those times where we can't use 40k as an example: of course 30k didn't split the 40k audience, because so many people are already into Marines it was inevitable 30k's Marine Civil War would sell like gangbusters.

And TOW is in a way the opposite. Stormcast haven't gotten nearly the level of preferential treatment as marines but they do still have the most kits by far and like marines show up in many of the boxes leading to the case of most people having some stormcast. 

Unlike 30k TOW is going to say "you know that faction that everyone has some figures for? Well forget about them. They're not in this game!"

To be clear I dont want stormcast in TOW by any stretch. Just pointing out the anti-comparison between the two "historical" settings. 

[Beliman]

46 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:

Glogg and the overbounder already existed, they're the faction heads of the troll and squig subfactions they added during the white dwarfs.
Glogg actually died during the siege of excelsis, but I guess he got better.
Ghorraghan Khai was a shaman featured in broken realms too, he was the character featured in the BoC broken realms box.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I hope that they are not a fancy battalion's name, or a white dwarf one-shot character, or a random name in a battletome, or a picture's description, or a footnote,...

[MitGas]

If Eternus sells really well, then we'll soon have Chaos Stormcast too and can get our own "Heresy" subline. 😁

Eternusal Crusade? 

[Ferban]

4 hours ago, Ogregut said:

I make it at least 9 slots for AoS - 

2 battletomes

2 heroes

1 wolf kit

2 Vanguard boxes

2 sets of dice. 

It's still very possible they mzybd announced Sunday, I think it will February however. 

Don't forget warscroll cards!

[CommissarRotke]

15 minutes ago, The Red King said:

And TOW is in a way the opposite. Stormcast haven't gotten nearly the level of preferential treatment as marines but they do still have the most kits by far and like marines show up in many of the boxes leading to the case of most people having some stormcast. 

Unlike 30k TOW is going to say "you know that faction that everyone has some figures for? Well forget about them. They're not in this game!"

To be clear I dont want stormcast in TOW by any stretch. Just pointing out the anti-comparison between the two "historical" settings. 

Yeah that's basically it--30k sells on the premise that you're already invested enough in 40k and/or you're a Marines fan. You like 40k? You'll probably be interested in 30k.

TOW sells on the premise of being not-AOS, with factions that are not-AOS, with bases that are not-AOS. You dislike AOS? TOW is for you. You like AOS but miss WHF? TOW is for you. You only played Total Warhammer? TOW is for you.

Just feels like completely different selling points, and TOW's points are why some of us are wary of what its support means for AOS. GW putting their foot down about the End Times is at least a small consolation prize so far.

 

[CommissarRotke]

52 minutes ago, MitGas said:

If Eternus sells really well, then we'll soon have Chaos Stormcast too and can get our own "Heresy" subline. 😁

Eternusal Crusade? 

don't even joke

[DinoJon]

2 hours ago, MitGas said:

If Eternus sells really well, then we'll soon have Chaos Stormcast too and can get our own "Heresy" subline. 😁

Eternusal Crusade? 

I feel like each of the Grand Alliances has been trying to have something equivalent to Stormcasts. Nagash has his bonereapers, where not as physically imposing he does pick the best of the best and makes immortal bone golems out of them. Chaos will probably join in too with more knights like Eternus. Destruction.... has Ironjawz? I have a feeling they'll get something more Stormcast-esque in the future. 

[Gitzdee]

31 minutes ago, DinoJon said:

I feel like each of the Grand Alliances has been trying to have something equivalent to Stormcasts. Nagash has his bonereapers, where not as physically imposing he does pick the best of the best and makes immortal bone golems out of them. Chaos will probably join in too with more knights like Eternus. Destruction.... has Ironjawz? I have a feeling they'll get something more Stormcast-esque in the future. 

Yes, Orruks want their dragons back :p.

[dirkdragonslayer]

1 hour ago, DinoJon said:

I feel like each of the Grand Alliances has been trying to have something equivalent to Stormcasts. Nagash has his bonereapers, where not as physically imposing he does pick the best of the best and makes immortal bone golems out of them. Chaos will probably join in too with more knights like Eternus. Destruction.... has Ironjawz? I have a feeling they'll get something more Stormcast-esque in the future. 

I think you are pretty accurate, if you check old stats. The factions seemed like they were made to mirror eachother. In AoS first edition, Stormcast, Slaves to Darkness, and Ironjawz were kinda similar. They are obviously different factions, but the stats of their main units were very similar. Liberators/Ardboyz/Chaos Warriors all had similar stats and 2 wound 32mm base profiles, Retributor/Brutes/Chosen were pretty similar, then Dracothian Guard and Gore Gruntas. Stormcast had their Stardrake, Ironjawz had the Mawkrusha, and StD had ther Lord on Manticore (but really their dragon guy was Archaon.)

Nagash was left out until he made his Bonereapers trying to join the big boys club. But, surprisingly, his Liberator-like unit didn't have 2 wounds like Ardboyz or Chaos Warriors.

 

Edit: It feels like Ironjawz were supposed to be the face of Destruction, the Orruk Stormcast, but they maybe they weren't as popular as they expected so they never got more releases. Then 3rd edition has Kragnos and pushed them off the throne before the siege of Excelsis and the Krulesboyz are taking their spot.

Edited January 20, 2023 by dirkdragonslayer
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[Vasshpit]

From what i understand Ironjawz are extremely popular!! I also think "design" has shifted a bit on AoS as a whole. We see this in the new stormcast, the kruleboyz, the new bloodpelt ogor. These are all a bit more grounded and less high fantasy. As much as i love the OG ironjawz of AoS I'd be totally on board with a glow up how stormcast recieved. Imagine ironjawz with a more serious and gritty approach like kruleboyz?!?!... 🤤

Edited January 20, 2023 by Vasshpit

[MitGas]

3 hours ago, DinoJon said:

I feel like each of the Grand Alliances has been trying to have something equivalent to Stormcasts. Nagash has his bonereapers, where not as physically imposing he does pick the best of the best and makes immortal bone golems out of them. Chaos will probably join in too with more knights like Eternus. Destruction.... has Ironjawz? I have a feeling they'll get something more Stormcast-esque in the future. 

I think Chosen/Varanguard qualify already. They're the best of the best below heroes I figure. If Chaos needs anything it's a mortal elite for Tzeentch! (same old ****** from me incoming.... in 3,2,1) We're the only ones to have none and want our very own twist on sexy Chaos armor too... our Curseling feels quite alone in this regard - well as much as he possibly can.

 

[MitGas]

43 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:

From what i understand Ironjawz are extremely popular!! I also think "design" has shifted a bit on AoS as a whole. We see this in the new stormcast, the kruleboyz, the new bloodpelt ogor. These are all a bit more grounded and less high fantasy. As much as i love the OG ironjawz of AoS I'd be totally on board with a glow up how stormcast recieved. image ironjawz with a more serious and gritty approach like kruleboyz?!?!... 🤤

Paint them silver instead of garish colors and they're already there IMO. 

[CommissarRotke]

24 minutes ago, MitGas said:

I think Chosen/Varanguard qualify already. They're the best of the best below heroes I figure. If Chaos needs anything it's a mortal elite for Tzeentch! (same old ****** from me incoming.... in 3,2,1) We're the only ones to have none and want our very own twist on sexy Chaos armor too... our Curseling feels quite alone in this regard - well as much as he possibly can.

 

yeah Chaos Chosen, Varanguard, and I'd say even the regular Chaos Warriors are all equivalent units for Stormcast. Heck, the regular Warriors even have more MW defense than Stormcast do...

[Nezzhil]

The REPACK

[Vasshpit]

Those stabbas look sooo ancient compared to what they can do now... 

[Koala]

Alright, this is mighty offtopic, but: 

I really do not get the AoS3 box Design. 

Different logo and colour cheme (Red), i get that.

But i have quite a lot of problems recognising the units from afar. They just blend in too much with the scenery.  On a shelf with similar boxes around them? No chance. Just a lot of detail. 

 

IMHO the clean "Apple" design of AoS2 was just soo much better.

OK, sorry for OT, carry in speculating ( my money is on BoC/Gitz next week)