animusCompassionist Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Karragon said: Gavriel's command ability only effects Hammers of Sigmar units, so in this army it will only affect himself (because everyone else is a Tempest Lord), which is why you don't tend to see people using Tempest Lords. We've only really got 2 "spammable" command abilities and they are tied to stormhosts (Hammers and Anvils). Ahh ok. I was told there was an errata that changed it to all friendly Stormcast but lowered the range from 12" to 9". If that's not the case I'll have to think of something else. Thanks though! Edited August 20, 2019 by animusCompassionist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karragon Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, animusCompassionist said: Ahh ok. I was told there was an errata that changed it to all friendly Stormcast but lowered the range from 12" to 9". If that's not the case I'll have to think of something else. Thanks though! Other way round, it changed from within 9" to wholly within 12" and changed from Stormcast to Hammers of Sigmar In most cases you can't trust the warscrolls on their website, the ones in the app (which is free) are the correct ones. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animusCompassionist Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Karragon said: Other way round, it changed from within 9" to wholly within 12" and changed from Stormcast to Hammers of Sigmar In most cases you can't trust the warscrolls on their website, the ones in the app (which is free) are the correct ones. And now I know. Thank you very much! So moving forward, I guess it will be this? Realm: Hysh Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar Leaders: Lord Arcanum (on foot): General, God forged Blade, Azyrite Halo Lord Relictor: Aetherquartz Brooch, Translocation Gavriel Sureheart Battleline: 2x Sequitors x10 Other: 2x Evocators x5 (not sure what weapon. Attacking in two ranks is great but theres only 5 models in the unit) Warscroll Battalion: Cleansing Phalanx Endless Spell: Celestian Vortex (just to fill out my last 40pts really) Total pts:1500 Edited August 20, 2019 by animusCompassionist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naem Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 In a Nutshell that is about my standard list but by taking so many Sequitors and the Phalanx you might lack some Damage. I usually take just one unit of 10 and one of 5. If you get rid of Phalanx and Vortex you can instead: Take Lord Arcanum on Gryph Charger (imho better command ability) Take 3 extra Ballistas for some ranged support. Alternatively 6 Longstrike Crossbows or a Unit of Retributors plus some more Liberators for objective grabbings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke.w Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 How about this for a reimagined anvils list: Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer Lord-Relictor 100 -Deathly Aura -Translocation Knight-Incantor 140 -Speed of Lightning Knight-Azyros 100 Celestant-Prime 340 5 Liberators 100 5 Liberators 100 5 Liberators 100 9 Longstrikes 510 6 Vanguard-Palladors 360 3 Aetherwings 50 3 Aetherwings 50 3 Aetherwings 50 2000/2000 All feedback is welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlanceOnASix Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Luke.w said: How about this for a reimagined anvils list: .... Its got a lot of the core stuff, and more mobility with the Palladors/Prime, without some of the punchy power of the evocators. It seems pretty cool to me. And Im sure with practice it could do quite well. Though I do like with 3 birds, having perhaps that second squad of rangers, those hurricane ones to spread out bird coverage. Edited August 20, 2019 by GlanceOnASix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animusCompassionist Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Naem said: In a Nutshell that is about my standard list but by taking so many Sequitors and the Phalanx you might lack some Damage. I usually take just one unit of 10 and one of 5. If you get rid of Phalanx and Vortex you can instead: Take Lord Arcanum on Gryph Charger (imho better command ability) Take 3 extra Ballistas for some ranged support. Alternatively 6 Longstrike Crossbows or a Unit of Retributors plus some more Liberators for objective grabbings. I will absolutely try that. The Phalanx felt a little weak, but some people around the store recommended it. I'll try making some lists without it for sure. Thanx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, animusCompassionist said: I will absolutely try that. The Phalanx felt a little weak, but some people around the store recommended it. I'll try making some lists without it for sure. Thanx! Phalanx being one of the only almost usable battalions what's left ? I'm seriously wanting to use Skyborne Slayers. What do you guys think about it ? Edited August 21, 2019 by Maturin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Skyborne Slayers looks like fun, but i guess a gav drop is more competitive and has the same means of counterplay, Skyborne merely narrowing down the distance that needs to be screened, while not being concerned with charges happening over 12". I thus think the two are pretty comparable with Gav being a slight bit stronger and Skyborne being a bit more fun and stylish if you enjoy strike chamber models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Lucur said: Skyborne Slayers looks like fun, but i guess a gav drop is more competitive and has the same means of counterplay, Skyborne merely narrowing down the distance that needs to be screened, while not being concerned with charges happening over 12". I thus think the two are pretty comparable with Gav being a slight bit stronger and Skyborne being a bit more fun and stylish if you enjoy strike chamber models. As my dice rolls are always terrible (last game I rolled 6 time a double ace), Skyborne slayer might be a surer way for me to charge enemy units 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 That's kind of the point though, give gav 3 CP and you literally cannot fail that charge, even on snake eyes ; ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Lucur said: That's kind of the point though, give gav 3 CP and you literally cannot fail that charge, even on snake eyes ; ) thats what i did after rolling 11 twice in 2 games, but had to stop because friends really disliked it ☺️ but as soon as i feel comfortable enough building and painting my drake i am gonna play a lot of skyborne slayers because it looks awesome on paper ❤️ i basically get to field the coolest models and loose with style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samkrow76 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 So, my wife just bought me the Vangaurd Brotherhood Battleforce box last night. I am working on building a list that uses the Vanguard chamber and making it into an Anvilstrike. I have read a lot of lists on here, reddit and in other places. I am seeing the core being 9 long strikes and something hard hitting like 10 evocators or 6 pallidators, and relictor to teleport. I have made the following. Looking for advice, may have to buy some more models at the moment but I love the flexibility and the possibilities with this list. TY for CC Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Anvils of the HeldenhammerMortal Realm: UlguLord-Aquilor (180)- General- Trait: Deathly Aura - Artefact: Soulthief - Mount Trait: Aethereal StalkerLord-Relictor (100)- Prayer: TranslocationSpellweaver (100)- Blows of Mystic Power- AlliesKnight-Heraldor (100)Spellweaver (100)- Heartwood Staff- Allies5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes10 x Evocators (440)9 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (510)3 x Aetherwings (50)3 x Aetherwings (50)Quicksilver Swords (30)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 200 / 400Wounds: 117 Work in Progress, not set on this and I have not tested. Hell, most of these are still in the box right now lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 10:07 AM, Lucur said: Skyborne Slayers looks like fun, but i guess a gav drop is more competitive and has the same means of counterplay, Skyborne merely narrowing down the distance that needs to be screened, while not being concerned with charges happening over 12". I thus think the two are pretty comparable with Gav being a slight bit stronger and Skyborne being a bit more fun and stylish if you enjoy strike chamber models. Also, complete immun to battleshock mean your opponent will have to kill your guys to the last and hard counter bravery bombs. I'd also add than dropping 5" away is more than just easy charges, it also make it much harder for your opponent to prevent you to Land behind him. Also it's usable with every chamber or with staunch Defenders, unlike the gavbomb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 11 hours ago, schwabbele said: i basically get to field the coolest models and loose with style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragobeth Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I'm thinking about trying a Stardrake/Drakesworn list. My group it not really that competitive but I could like to have something that doesn't totally suck so I ended with these two possible lists: Option A: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Celestant on Stardrake (560)- General- Celestine Hammer- Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Spellshield - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedLord-Relictor (100)- Prayer: Divine LightKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Celestial BladesLord-Castellant (120)- Mystic Light (Artefact): Shriving LightBattleline5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x GrandhammersUnits2 x Concussors (240)2 x Concussors (240)2 x Concussors (240)Endless Spells / TerrainDais Arcanum (30)Total: 1970 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 92 ----------------- Option B: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersDrakesworn Templar (460)- General- Tempest Axe- Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Mirrorshield - Mount Trait: ThunderlordLord-Castellant (120)Knight-Azyros (100)Knight-Incantor (140)Knight-Heraldor (100)Battleline5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers- 1x GrandhammersUnits6 x Desolators (600)Endless Spells / TerrainDais Arcanum (30)Everblaze Comet (100)Celestian Vortex (40)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 97 ----------------- Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 10 hours ago, ledha said: Also, complete immun to battleshock mean your opponent will have to kill your guys to the last and hard counter bravery bombs. I'd also add than dropping 5" away is more than just easy charges, it also make it much harder for your opponent to prevent you to Land behind him. Also it's usable with every chamber or with staunch Defenders, unlike the gavbomb What would be a good complement to the Skyborne slayers ? BTW, do they count towards the number of units that can be used with Scions of the Storm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Amusingly, Ayzr lets me put a Lord-Celestant on Star Drake into the Skyborne Slayers. 😆 I know that's incorrect, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I don't think it is, last time i checked, Lord-Celestant on Stardrake had the Lord-Celestant keyword. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) Yeah, but it isn't in bold on the Warscroll....but that would be hilarious! Edited August 24, 2019 by Souleater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 8/20/2019 at 1:14 PM, John Silver said: Lord-Veritant - Prayer : Translocation Mate, with 12 Anvils Hurricanes, I'd even consider running Blessed Weapons on this guy. You're gonna be throwing a LOT of dice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Maturin said: What would be a good complement to the Skyborne slayers ? BTW, do they count towards the number of units that can be used with Scions of the Storm ? I'm running a min Slayers plus 9 Longstrikes plus Veritant, Azyros and Aetherwings. The Slayers' deployment rule is separate, they don't count toward Scions. In some games, the only units I deploy on the field are the Azyros and birds (for Look out, Sir!). ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Souleater said: Yeah, but it isn't in bold on the Warscroll....but that would be hilarious! What do you mean ? It's written Lord Celestant on the warscroll, so unless there is a FAQ saying that only non mounted versions of LC can be included like for the Phoenix temple warscroll (no anointed on the phenixes) then it's good to go, right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Roark said: I'm running a min Slayers plus 9 Longstrikes plus Veritant, Azyros and Aetherwings. The Slayers' deployment rule is separate, they don't count toward Scions. In some games, the only units I deploy on the field are the Azyros and birds (for Look out, Sir!). 😉 Thanks Roark. So how do you play them ? Judicators holding objectives while libs participates in combat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Maturin said: What do you mean ? It's written Lord Celestant on the warscroll, so unless there is a FAQ saying that only non mounted versions of LC can be included like for the Phoenix temple warscroll (no anointed on the phenixes) then it's good to go, right ? My reading of the main rulebook in this case is that the Skyslayers Warscroll has 'Lord Celestant ' in normal type font not 'LORD CELESTANT ' The former means that the battalion refers specifically to the hero called exactly that. If it was in bold then it would allow any unit warscroll with that keyword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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