JackStreicher Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, ColsBols said: where did you get that mammoth he's lovely Mierce Miniatures: Maatmäk, Giant Mammox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GeneralZero said: What do you think about the new guy in our army? (rule wise please, because miniature wise it is a superb addition to the StD range). My 2cts: I think that we have already many good characters, that are expensive (in pts). So, it'll be difficult to add this one especially compared to lords, wizzards and princes...(Even worse if you add a gaunt lol) As mentioned by s.o. Else: nice Daemon Prince. ruleswise he is expensive and buffs rather useless units (cultists) with an insignificant buff... if his attacks dealt 2 damage each he‘d have a place in the army but right now our entire roaster is too expensive and one can barely fit in another 140 pts (that don‘t serve a purpose and die too quickly). my 2ct =} 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, whispersofblood said: Give him wings call it a Daemon Prince. Many people already do that with the ogroid, mostly for 40K because he fits so well in a TS army 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) sorry double post Edited January 23, 2020 by GeneralZero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) double post, something has gone superbad 😞 Edited January 23, 2020 by GeneralZero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, GeneralZero said: Many people already do that with the ogroid, mostly for 40K because he fits so well in a TS army 😉 He's a bit too small for a DP I guess but he's such a fantastic model that nobody should mind. And unlike the thaumaturge this one has pretty meh rules IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJohansson Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, MitGas said: He's a bit too small for a DP I guess but he's such a fantastic model that nobody should mind. And unlike the thaumaturge this one has pretty meh rules IMO. The Thaumaturge seems to be strictly better at everything for just 20 points more and is a wizard with a good spell. So I do not see any reason to use the mundane Ogroid as anything else but a count as Thaumaturge (if one really likes and want to use the particular model). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, NJohansson said: The Thaumaturge seems to be strictly better at everything for just 20 points more and is a wizard with a good spell. So I do not see any reason to use the mundane Ogroid as anything else but a count as Thaumaturge (if one really likes and want to use the particular model). Yeah, no idea why they gave him such bad rules. It's a beautiful model that deserved much more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodmoon Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 If its spear was just 2 damage, it might have a place somewhere. Yet here we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinfullyvannila Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 hours ago, NJohansson said: The Thaumaturge seems to be strictly better at everything for just 20 points more and is a wizard with a good spell. So I do not see any reason to use the mundane Ogroid as anything else but a count as Thaumaturge (if one really likes and want to use the particular model). Eh, I’ve used the Thaumaturge a lot and he dies really quickly with his 5+ save and no shrug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeymajq Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I really like the model and will get it just too have it. And I'll try him out in my ravagers lists I think, but that command ability will go unused which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitch_EGS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) So I finally have fired together a 1000pt themed list for my Bloodpox Raiders of Chamon. A nurgle/khorne mono based force. Ravager Legion - 1000pts Leaders Chaos Lord on Karkadrak [250pts]: General, Khorne Chaos Sorcerer Lord [110pts]: 1. Binding Damnation, Nurgle Ogroid Myrmidon [140pts] Battleline Chaos Knights [180pts]: 5 Chaos Knights, Cursed Lance, Khorne Chaos Warriors [100pts]: 5 Chaos Warriors, Chaos Hand Weapons and Chaos Runeshields, Nurgle Chaos Warriors [100pts]: 5 Chaos Warriors, Chaos Hand Weapons and Chaos Runeshields, Nurgle Other Furies [100pts]: 6 Furies So general idea is that it's an Iron Golem based force and throughout the battle will call apon their hordes. (3 squads of cultists) Starting general will be the Sorcerer who is nurgle to prevent sniping a little bit. Then depending if Lord is in position him or the Ogroid take over. Iron golems then fill in where needed either camping or narking with petty shooting attacks and furies stick to knights and Lord to clog up counter attacks somewhat. Yet to actually read book proper to select artifacts and such so suggestions welcome, and all going well done painting soon to post it too (Bar Sorcerer and Ogroid). Edited January 24, 2020 by Vitch_EGS Mistake in roster sorry and bad typos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Vitch_EGS said: A nurgle/khorne mono based force. "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means" That's not a mono list. Always go for mono lists to earn the favor of either Nurgle or Khorne, unless you can go for Tzeentch. Then always go for Tzeentch. Might not be the strongest but Tzeentch is the best. YAY for change! Especially spare change - this campaign runs on donations so open your hearts and purses to the Changer of Ways. Sorry, I'll see myself out now... Regarding your list: the ogroid is a handsome gentleman but those points could be used more efficiently IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitch_EGS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 That's right.. I'm so used to normally doing mono god stuff I don't know why I said that at all. Yeah reading up a bit it does seem like theirs better bang for my buck in the book but the model is so cracker and a must get for my Warcry side of things. Just be a shame not to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Vitch_EGS said: That's right.. I'm so used to normally doing mono god stuff I don't know why I said that at all. Yeah reading up a bit it does seem like theirs better bang for my buck in the book but the model is so cracker and a must get for my Warcry side of things. Just be a shame not to use it. Ah, don't mind me, I just didn't have enough sleep and thought I'd be funny. Yeah, the Myrmidon is a wasted opportunity although it's likely he'll sooner or later will get an updated (and better) warscroll. He's a prime candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spears Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) . Edited January 24, 2020 by Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColsBols Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 ok gonna try out this list tonight against nighthaunt, any thoughts? RAVAGERS Chaos Lord on Chungus Dragon - Master of Deception, Mark of Khorne, Aura of Khorne, Ethereal Amulet Chaos Lord on Foot - Mark of the High-Favored, Reaperblade + Daemonboundsteel, Khorne marks Bloodsecrator Be'lakor Chaos Warriors x15 shields Chaos Knights, Ensorcelled Weps Chaos Marauder Horse 10x Chaos Warriors 5x Bloodmarked Warband Chaos Chosen 5x, Khorne Command point 2000/2000 -------------------- Got 40 marauders to summon in and surprise charge his backline....but just realized they only summon in ten. Should I drop the 5x warriors and CP for a unit of marauders (axes)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturmorn Carvilli Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 @ColsBols It seems light on the Mortal Heroes to me to really make use of Ravagers, but I am guessing that is more a case of the army you have more than anything. I assume Chungus Dragon is the Karkadrak which you will probably keep close to your knights. Which I think works well. Be careful with your Chaos Lord on foot, he can feel rather fragile compared to a group of 10+, or 5 for that matter, Chaos Warriors. The other Leaders I can't comment too much on. I don't think 5 Warriors does much of anything beyond being a speed bump, and even Slaves to Darkness have cheaper speed bumps (I like Furies if that if I want a speed bump). Given what you have I would consider going with two groups of 10 Warriors. Still not great (I really like groups of 15), but you also don't have much in the way of support and against Nighthaunts, so Battleshock is going to be a thing. Probably a real thing since you are going to be Command Point starved. I don't have experience with Marauder stuff, but I prefer your Plan B of getting a unit of Marauders more as they have better movement and more damage and are just as likely to have as much staying power. Things to watch out for with Nighthaunts is they are way faster than you and Battleshock is going to happen on your units. Fortunately, you don't have much Rend so it isn't like you are losing out much there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColsBols Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 21 minutes ago, Saturmorn Carvilli said: @ColsBols It seems light on the Mortal Heroes to me to really make use of Ravagers, but I am guessing that is more a case of the army you have more than anything. I assume Chungus Dragon is the Karkadrak which you will probably keep close to your knights. Which I think works well. Be careful with your Chaos Lord on foot, he can feel rather fragile compared to a group of 10+, or 5 for that matter, Chaos Warriors. The other Leaders I can't comment too much on. I don't think 5 Warriors does much of anything beyond being a speed bump, and even Slaves to Darkness have cheaper speed bumps (I like Furies if that if I want a speed bump). Given what you have I would consider going with two groups of 10 Warriors. Still not great (I really like groups of 15), but you also don't have much in the way of support and against Nighthaunts, so Battleshock is going to be a thing. Probably a real thing since you are going to be Command Point starved. I don't have experience with Marauder stuff, but I prefer your Plan B of getting a unit of Marauders more as they have better movement and more damage and are just as likely to have as much staying power. Things to watch out for with Nighthaunts is they are way faster than you and Battleshock is going to happen on your units. Fortunately, you don't have much Rend so it isn't like you are losing out much there. I have a WarQueen to throw in but i want Bellykor to lock down the block of 30 reapers I know i'm going to be facing and the Bloodsecrator for +attacks...and yeah I have just 20 warriors...should I take out 5 maruader horse and summon them instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturmorn Carvilli Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, ColsBols said: I have a WarQueen to throw in but i want Bellykor to lock down the block of 30 reapers I know i'm going to be facing and the Bloodsecrator for +attacks...and yeah I have just 20 warriors...should I take out 5 maruader horse and summon them instead? Like I said, I don't have any experience with Marauders. I can say with out the bought Command Point you may have to make a choice between Rally the Tribes or the Chaos Lord's Spurred by the Gods early game and/or not auto-passing Battleshock. Granted, you only have two Mortal Heroes to use Ralley the Tribes but by then its possible good portion of the game is over. Plus, while I have only used Warcry Cultists, and I have only had limited success with them in. So, I can't really say. It is largely up to what you want your units to do. I like to plan on trying to control 2/3rd the table and have a couple of units of 15 Warriors to hold ground while my Knights/Varanguard get into fights. I try to use my Warcry Cultists as skirmishers to annoy/separate my opponent's army, or if they leave something isolated near edge of the table for easy pickings. I try to have my Heroes supporting these big blocks of Battleline units as best they can while not exposing them to harm too much except the Karkadrak Lord which I view more as a combat hero than support. It really does matter how you plan you use the units in your army. And I think support units are key. I think Marauder Horsemen will give you some speed to keep up with Nighthaunts. At the same time, I think they are going to struggle to stay on the table especially without support or if they get cutoff. Things that are kinda easy for Nighthaunts to accomplish. Normally I would say build bigger units, but again; Battleshock is not going to be your friend and you should expect loses anytime you have to roll. That's not to say you can't feed the woodchipper and drown an area in bodies to hold it. I just don't know how well that works since I heavily favor tough as boots units that my opponent has to spend quite a bit of time chipping them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJohansson Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Sinfullyvannila said: Eh, I’ve used the Thaumaturge a lot and he dies really quickly with his 5+ save and no shrug. And the Std one has a 4+ no shrug - in my experience both die to anything remotely dedicated to killing them. But the Thaumaturge does (surprisingly) more damage in melee, has a d6 mortal wound spell which also heals for the same amount and it can dispel and cast spells for 20 points more. I am not saying that either is a great model (I rarely use any Ogroid in an army) but if taking one the Thaumaturge wins out hands down every time (IMHO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gistradagis Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Seeing some Despoiler lists but people are running them with only 1 DP? Isn't that a bit of a waste? I was trying to make a list using the new StC as a core, and got something like this (not sure if Undivided, or a combination of Nurgle on infantry and Slaanesh on Cavalry): Leaders Be'Lakor DP (general) Chaos Lord on Karkadrak Chaos Sorcerer Lord Units 5 x Chaos Knights 1 x Chaos Chariots 15 x Chaos Warriors 40 x Chaos Marauders 15 x Chaos Marauder Horsemen 1980/2000 I wonder if I'm running too many random units and should sacrifice something for a warshrine or what. Never really done lists before @_@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
begleysm Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Gistradagis said: Seeing some Despoiler lists but people are running them with only 1 DP? Isn't that a bit of a waste? I was trying to make a list using the new StC as a core, and got something like this I'm new to AoS but am building an StD army and this is what I've come up with so far. It's similar to your list but fits a Warshrine in. I'd love some feedback. 2000/2000122 Wounds5 dropDespoilers Godsworn Champions of Ruin Battalion - 180 - Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is the Hero to be able to fight in the Hero phase Daemon Prince - 210 General Paragon of Ruin Hellforged Sword Diabolic Mantle (D3 Command Points at start of game) Khorne (for Bloodslick Ground) Chaos Lord on Karkadrak - 250 Battalion Hero Helm of Many Eyes (attack first) Slaanesh Be'Lakor - 240 Undivided (obviously) Whispers of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord - 110 Nurgle Mask of Darkness 5 Chaos Knights - 180 Travel with Chaos Lord on Karkadrak Ensorcelled Weapons Slaanesh 5 Chaos Knights - 180 Travel with Daemon Prince Cursed Lances Khorne 15 Chaos Warriors - 300 Hand Weapons & Shields Nurgle 10 Marauder Horsemen - 180 Javelins & Shields Undivided Chaos Warshrine - 170 Undivided Here's the plan SETUP - Be'Lakor takes the Marauder Horsemen - The Chaos Sorcerer Lord takes the Chaos Warriors - The Daemon Prince takes a block of knights - The Chaos Lord on Karkadrak takes a block of knights MORE OR LESS FIXED BUFFS - The Sorcerer Lord buffs the Warriors with Daemonic Power & the Nurgle Aura - The DP's Knights get to re-roll 1's on hit and get +1 to wound from the DP's Khorne Aura - The Karkadrak's Knights get exploding 6's (and re-roll charge and get +1 to hit from Karkadrak's CA) - The Marauder Horsemen & Be'Lakor don't have to worry about Battleshock from Be'Lakor's Undivided Aura - Almost everyone hopefully gets the 6+ W/MW FNP Save from the Warshrine MOVEMENT CONTROL - DP uses Bloodslick Ground every turn - Be'Lakor locks down a nasty enemy at a key time with his The Dark Master ability - Be'Lakor slows down some horde unit with Whispers of Chaos FLEXIBLE BUFFS - Chaos Sorcerer lord is free to pass around Oracular Vision if anyone is in range (otherwise he can cast it on himself or use it on the Warriors if they drop below 10 models) - Warshrine will typically cast the Undivided Prayer on the Karkadrak, Knights, Warriors, or Marauder Horsemen (depending on who needs a little umph) GAMEPLAN - The Warriors anchor some central objective - Karkadrak, DP, & Be'Lakor (along with their retinues) are 3 fast, mobile, prongs - Karkadrak team and DP team should be able to do some damage, especially Karkadrak on the charge - Be'Lakor team should be able to harry enemies with Javelins and Feigned Flight rule CONCERNS - No Endless Spells (could get Darkfire Daemonrift if I pulled 5 Marauder Horsemen) - Maybe not enough "good" Command Abilities to warrant the Diabolic Mantle? Edited January 25, 2020 by begleysm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurrilino Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, begleysm said: I'm new to AoS but am building an StD army and this is what I've come up with so far. It's similar to your list but fits a Warshrine in. I'd love some feedback. 2000/2000122 Wounds5 dropDespoilers Godsworn Champions of Ruin Battalion - 180 - Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is the Hero to be able to fight in the Hero phase Daemon Prince - 210 General Paragon of Ruin Hellforged Sword Diabolic Mantle (D3 Command Points at start of game) Khorne (for Bloodslick Ground) Chaos Lord on Karkadrak - 250 Battalion Hero Helm of Many Eyes (attack first) Khorne Be'Lakor - 240 Undivided (obviously) Whispers of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord - 110 Nurgle Mask of Darkness 5 Chaos Knights - 180 Travel with Chaos Lord on Karkadrak Cursed Lances Khorne 5 Chaos Knights - 180 Travel with Daemon Prince Ensorcelled Weapons Khorne 15 Chaos Warriors - 300 Hand Weapons & Shields Nurgle 10 Marauder Horsemen - 180 Javelins & Shields Undivided Chaos Warshrine - 170 Undivided Here's the plan SETUP - Be'Lakor takes the Marauder Horsemen - The Chaos Sorcerer Lord takes the Chaos Warriors - The Daemon Prince takes a block of knights - The Chaos Lord on Karkadrak takes a block of knights MORE OR LESS FIXED BUFFS - The Sorcerer Lord buffs the Warriors with Daemonic Power & the Nurgle Aura - The DP's Knights get to re-roll 1's on hit and get +1 to wound from the DP's Khorne Aura - The Karkadrak's Knights get to re-roll 1's on hit (and re-roll charge and get +1 to hit from Karkadrak's CA) - The Marauder Horsemen & Be'Lakor don't have to worry about Battleshock from Be'Lakor's Undivided Aura - Almost everyone hopefully gets the 6+ W/MW FNP Save from the Warshrine MOVEMENT CONTROL - DP uses Bloodslick Ground every turn - Be'Lakor locks down a nasty enemy at a key time with his The Dark Master ability - Be'Lakor slows down some horde unit with Whispers of Chaos FLEXIBLE BUFFS - Chaos Sorcerer lord is free to pass around Oracular Vision if anyone is in range (otherwise he can cast it on himself or use it on the Warriors if they drop below 10 models) - Warshrine will typically cast the Undivided Prayer on the Karkadrak, Knights, Warriors, or Marauder Horsemen (depending on who needs a little umph) GAMEPLAN - The Warriors anchor some central objective - Karkadrak, DP, & Be'Lakor (along with their retinues) are 3 fast, mobile, prongs - Karkadrak team and DP team should be able to do some damage, especially Karkadrak on the charge - Be'Lakor team should be able to harry enemies with Javelins and Feigned Flight rule CONCERNS - No Endless Spells (could get Darkfire Daemonrift if I pulled 5 Marauder Horsemen) - Maybe not enough "good" Command Abilities to warrant the Diabolic Mantle? My 2 cents if you are interested and this is only my opinion. DP and Belakor are useless as it gets. Especially Belakor with his random roll 1 time per game ability. We are talking 450 points here. For any reason Despoiler are played more efficient without their "core pieces" The only reason to play Despoilers is the Diabolic Mantle. You also invested in Ruinbringer without maximizing the return for the investment. If we trade the DP and Belakor for Knights or Chariots we get a way better return. As example we could get 10 Knights and a Chaos Lord who has by far the best command ability. Charging 10 Lances Knights with "Knights of Chaos" and "Spurred by the Gods" means 40 attacks -2 rend and max 80 wounds plus charging mortal wounds. Now the Sorcerer with reroll hits and wounds says "Hi" This will steamroll any unit in this game. And while we are Nurgle, why not bringing the Harbinger and Lord of Flies to make the warriors really annoying but hey we have command points to spend. And all that guaranteed without random shenanigans. Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJohansson Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kurrilino said: DP and Belakor are useless as it gets. Especially Belakor with his random roll 1 time per game ability. We are talking 450 points here. I think you have a lot of valid reasoning in you answer but you are being to harsh on the princes. With the despoiler rules and command ability/ethereal amulet the DP gets really tanky (especially if you throw in a sorcerer with the Reroll ability). If Khorne it will also have an insane command ability for control. Be’lakor is a beast - depending on the right build. 2 cast/dispel, goodish attack profile, build in ethereal amulet, great spell and possibly game changing ability (put it on the Heavy hitter of the enemy) and activate it in a turn when it is about to engage - succeeding with 5+ to move, 5+ to charge and 5+ to attack is more or less a fail every time. A DP, Be’lakor and a sorcerer (preferably on a manticore - but the points do not alleyways allow for it) is certainly a staple in a Despoiler army from my point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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