Warhammer - The Old World

[EntMan]

Bringing back old kits for multiple factions makes me wonder if they'll do it as made to order for lots of them, order in the run up to actual release so they'll get a better idea of what quantities of what to actually make?

[Hollow]

From Twitter. 

 

[EntMan]

3 minutes ago, Hollow said:

From Twitter. 

 

The most mind-blowing thing about all this - an actual meaningful and informative reply by GW on Socials! 😂

[The Lost Sigmarite]

Lol. "Classic miniatures". Peak corpo talk right here. 

I hope those teased Kislev and Cathay ranges will look great - because so far, the Bretonnians don't. Those minis are just slightly younger than me ! That's crazy to think about. Those upgrade sprues - if those 3D renders are upgrade sprues - will have a lot of heavy lifting to do.

Edited April 14, 2023 by The Lost Sigmarite

[Clan's Cynic]

To say they're around twenty years old, the Bretonnian plastics have aged pretty well imo. 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Clan's Cynic

[Hollow]

I so wanted new Bretonnian Horses with crisp new sculpts and detailing. Waaaah. I remember putting those Knights together 15 years ago.  

[Baron Klatz]

6 minutes ago, EntMan said:

The most mind-blowing thing about all this - an actual meaningful and informative reply by GW on Socials! 😂

They gave some good info before too. When asked “will returning TK models get rules for AoS” they said you’d better off to proxy them as Soulblight Deathrattle forces.

Which yeah, at best they’ll probably just update the Legends stuff to use this old stuff again.

 

On people saying this looks like a small project, remember Runebrush mentioned that before from the 2020 interview.

”It appears that it will be treated in the same manner as one of the other Specialist Games - so given a small team of people including a rules writer, sculptor etc.  To my mind this means we need to be realistic in our expectations, so something more in line with  Adeptus Titanicus rather than what we originally got when Age of Darkness (Horus Heresy) came out.  It certainly isn't going to have release schedule of Age of Sigmar in either models or rules.”

[The Lost Sigmarite]

2 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

To say they're around twenty years old, the Bretonnian plastics have aged pretty well imo. 

That's because the horses are big - the size increase over the years haven't hit them as hard as others. And lots of flat surfaces means you can always mask the lack of details with cool freehands. With new heads, weapons and shields, you could see those knights going on a few more years. 

I have some Reiksguard and they look like ****** compared to even 2010s models. They essentially ride ponies now. I'd rather see a redo of Empire knights than Bretonnian ones. 

[Grimrock]

29 minutes ago, Marcvs said:

As long as they are similarly priced in terms of €/mini (so around 1€/mini)

This is a really good point. I'm working my way through some new slaanesh models and blissbarb archers in particular are making me really crave for some old school simpler models, but not if they're going to charge through the nose for them. If they try to come out with a kit that was made back in the early 2000's and then charge modern day prices for it the system is going to be more or less dead on arrival for me. I've still got an old Orcs & Goblins army kicking around that I could try out but even then I'm not going to go through the process of rebasing everything to their new standards if there's no chance I'm going to get into the game. 

[Beliman]

I hope that Rat ogres are not one of this "classic sculpts", or at least, they retool the Island of Blood Rat ogres and remove the old ones.

[The Lost Sigmarite]

Seeing the reactions of some WHFB fans (I mean grognards) about the latest article is pretty fun :

- WHTOW fans : Don't give us AoS models we just want the old WHFB ones back
- GW : Ok, we are returning WHFB ranges for WHTOW
- WHTOW fans : What ? You are returning the old ranges and not giving us entire new ranges of plastic minis ? It's outrageous, it's unfair !
That's before factoring in the base size increase and the realisation there's going to be a lot of rebasing that needs to be done. 

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

16 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Seeing the reactions of some WHFB fans (I mean grognards) about the latest article is pretty fun :

- WHTOW fans : Don't give us AoS models we just want the old WHFB ones back
- GW : Ok, we are returning WHFB ranges for WHTOW
- WHTOW fans : What ? You are returning the old ranges and not giving us entire new ranges of plastic minis ? It's outrageous, it's unfair !
That's before factoring in the base size increase and the realisation there's going to be a lot of rebasing that needs to be done. 

The guys on the Warhammer Fantasy subreddit seem to be mostly happy about the old sculpts returning. I don't get it personally, because by today's standards those old Bretonnian kits compare badly to the minis available for the historical French/English knights on which they are based. But at least the dedicated fans seem excited about the announcement.

[Beliman]

I don't think that bases are going to be a problem. Print some 3D inserts or wait for GW (or any other company/etsy/whatever) to sell them.

With magnets, people could play 6, 7 or whatever any old edition like to play and still be able to make the jump to TOW.

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

4 minutes ago, Beliman said:

I don't think that bases are going to be a problem. Print some 3D inserts or wait for GW (or any other company/etsy/whatever) to sell them.

With magnets, people could play 6, 7 or whatever any old edition like to play and still be able to make the jump to TOW.

Yeah, movement trays to make models based for old Fantasy and AoS usable in TOW will pop up within days of specifics being known, I guarantee it. Not that you need them, crafting a movement tray yourself is as easy as cutting out a cardboard rectangle of the right size.

[Jator]

33 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

Seeing the reactions of some WHFB fans (I mean grognards) about the latest article is pretty fun :

- WHTOW fans : Don't give us AoS models we just want the old WHFB ones back
- GW : Ok, we are returning WHFB ranges for WHTOW
- WHTOW fans : What ? You are returning the old ranges and not giving us entire new ranges of plastic minis ? It's outrageous, it's unfair !
That's before factoring in the base size increase and the realisation there's going to be a lot of rebasing that needs to be done. 

Dude, we got it. Fantasy fans are the worst. You can move on.

[Beliman]

3 minutes ago, Jator said:

Dude, we got it. Fantasy fans are the worst. You can move on.

No need to be rude. He is talking about "some" Fantasy fans, and we know that he is totally right. 

[Clan's Cynic]

WHFB fans are not a monolith. Most of what I've seen has been pretty positive, especially considering a pervasive fear/cynicism was that TOW armies would be so drastically different in sculpt and rules to get people to rebuy from scratch.

I know TGA generally seems to permit the bashing of WHFB fans, but I was glad in recent years it seems to have dramatically toned down. Unfortunately it appears to have crept back again to a smaller, but noticeable degree since TOW began getting increasing updates. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Clan's Cynic

[CommissarRotke]

They're not a monolith but it is inevitable that in WHF spaces the AOS hate comes out at some point. Whether it gets pushback, or gets shutdown, or even ignored depends on that space sure. But for whatever reason, some fans cannot accept that GW killed fantasy and not AOS. So here we are, going around and around. I'd love to see the day where I can encounter WHF discussions "in the wild" (i.e not here) and not see AOS hate that is well-agreed-upon. Does not seem to be soon unfortunately!

[Clan's Cynic]

12 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said:

They're not a monolith but it is inevitable that in WHF spaces the AOS hate comes out at some point. Whether it gets pushback, or gets shutdown, or even ignored depends on that space sure. But for whatever reason, some fans cannot accept that GW killed fantasy and not AOS. So here we are, going around and around. I'd love to see the day where I can encounter WHF discussions "in the wild" (i.e not here) and not see AOS hate that is well-agreed-upon. Does not seem to be soon unfortunately!

The problem is that, this being a AoS-primary forum, you're almost never going to get somebody running in going "I hate AoS, it sucks, it's the worst game ever." Some AoS fans can't seem to accept that GW is resurrecting WHFB either.

When these kind of 'discussions' crop up, every time it's somebody posting bait about the evils of the nasty WHFB grogs rather than the other way around (not surprising given TGA's focus obviously). That hardly endears people with a fancy for Fantasy - be that old players or newcomers - to the AoS community either. 

This isn't 2015 or even 2018 anymore and TGA isn't Reddit, /tg/, or wherever else.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Clan's Cynic

[Beliman]

8 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

When these kind of 'discussions' crop up, every time it's somebody posting bait about the evils of the nasty WHFB grogs rather than the other way around (not surprising given TGA's focus obviously). That hardly endears people with a fancy for Fantasy - be that old players or newcomers - to the AoS community either. 

I partly agree and I completely understant both arguments. I'm one of this dudes that work for Fantasy, AoS and 40k events (40k tournament in 2 weeks!) and it would be a dream to merge all warhammer communities, but I don't see it happening.

Some AoS players aren't happy about how other communities treat them  and some Fantasy players still hate AoS and they are very vocal about that. Sadly, that's the way it is and I think that it will not be solved soon.

Btw, I don't think that this arguments will help any community too.

[Hollow]

Surely anyone apart of any "community" that acts like a petulant child should be ignored anyway? 40k, 30k, AoS, ToW; 4 fully fledged, distinct Warhammer settings and I love them all for different reasons. I just hope we see Gamesworkshop really develop and support each of these 4 Universes going forward with consistent content. 

[Jator]

@Clan's Cynic already expressed what I would want to say much better than what the language barrier allows me to do, so I'll just add that I find the bashing of any of the games/communities equally eye-rolling, and leave it at here.

[Vasshpit]

I was reaaaallly hoping for some updated TK skeletons and horsemen, basically any of their basic troops as those kits aren't bad but imo dont hold a candle to newer sculpts. So with this new announcement does this mean that we're just getting those same old kits again?

Shame if so. I was pretty excited to get some for a proxy army and for other games... 

Damn. 

Just have to wait and see I suppose. 

Or just update the older AoS skelly kits, please Geedubs. 

 

Edit: The TK archers are even all left handed, am I right?

Edited April 14, 2023 by Vasshpit

[Public Universal Duardin]

2 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:

They're not a monolith but it is inevitable that in WHF spaces the AOS hate comes out at some point. Whether it gets pushback, or gets shutdown, or even ignored depends on that space sure. But for whatever reason, some fans cannot accept that GW killed fantasy and not AOS. So here we are, going around and around. I'd love to see the day where I can encounter WHF discussions "in the wild" (i.e not here) and not see AOS hate that is well-agreed-upon. Does not seem to be soon unfortunately!

Something something 'two wrongs don't make a right'

Yeah it's cringe (how do you do fellow kids?) when WHFB fans rag on AoS, but it's equally cringe to see TGA's hour of hate for WHFB. I'd even say the latter is far more disappointing because I look upon TGA highly, while the corners of the Internet that tend to rag on AoS are...well, if someone looks highly upon Facebook, Reddit or the like, I weep for them.

I don't understand the need for adults to diminish each other's rules frameworks for their plastic toys. It's not going to bring the wife back.

[Noserenda]

So they showed the core troops (Bar errants?) of one of the starter armies are all old models, which is good and bad, i quite like the old men at arms unit, (converted a lot into guardsmen) but the knights are poor. Even by 7th edition standards they were outshone by historicals. (They were on the list for a cavalry army i fancied at the time, ultimately went with Chaos warriors  ) 

Still, its nice to get an answer on base sizes! I may have a lot of dwarves to rebase, but then ultimately htye are also the army most likely to never change formation so the movement tray idea might work, got plenty of those lying around in old boxes!