MitGas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 41 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: I'm so glad they let Slaanesh out of prison for the afternoon (probably not for good behaviour) so that He could be a part of the official portrait... I guess those are just greater daemons. The rat looks good among the merry band as well! btw, perhaps GW changed it meanwhile, but I remember Slaanesh used to be described as „it“ instead of he or she. That always stuck with me as a big fan of Pennywise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, Frodorowski said: Good tune down of the fangz spell and the ability to kill when killed of the squigs Would you or any other Git expert say that Gitz got nerfed? I hope they won‘t end up as one of the weaker armies again. 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asbestress Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Nezzhil said: HASHUT FORGE-CITY!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOLY SH*T IT'S ACTUALLY REAL WE ARE GETTING ACTUAL CHAOS DWARVES NEW COGFORT MINI/TERRAIN VS NEW BALE TAURUS HERE I COME MY HOBGROTS WILL SEE PAINT! MY HORNS OF HASHUT WILL RETURN REGARDLESS OF BEING CUT!! MY METAL CHORFS WILL SEE ROUND BASES!!! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 48 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: Gloomspite Gitz Faction Focus. Nighthaunt tomorrow. Squigs nerfed heavily, but still a very good unit I have concerns that removing run & charge will make the army too slow. Slow melee armies have never been very good in AOS... especially the ones without reserves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarakUrbaz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 23 minutes ago, DinoJon said: Looking on the new map my old eyes must be failing me, I cant seem to find any temple cities outside of the map key. There was supposed to be a temple city north west of Har Kuron but I dont see it. The map key is specifically labeled "KEY FOR ALL REALM MAPS", so it applies to any map of the Mortal Realms. For instance there's no Ossiarch Necropoli in the Great Parch but I'm pretty sure that symbol will become relevant in the maps of Shyish and Ghur. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, MitGas said: btw, perhaps GW changed it meanwhile, but I remember Slaanesh used to be described as „it“ instead of he or she. That always stuck with me as a big fan of Pennywise. Back in the World-That-Was Slaanesh was often described as completely androgynous, so 'it' was appropriate. But in all the AoS lore they've always (to my knowledge) used the 'he' pronoun. Unlike His daemons, who are all 'them/they/it' nowadays. Even the Alluress has become an Allurer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fracas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 26 minutes ago, Augusto said: the 5+ward is down below I keep forgetting that they shoved ward in the keyword section. I’m gonna misplay so hard this edition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarakUrbaz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 3 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Back in the World-That-Was Slaanesh was often described as completely androgynous, so 'it' was appropriate. But in all the AoS lore they've always (to my knowledge) used the 'he' pronoun. Unlike His daemons, who are all 'them/they/it' nowadays. Even the Alluress has become an Allurer. Slaanesh has been referred to He for a very long time, despite being described in the lore as androgynous. I remember in the 40k book Talon of Horus an Emperor's Children Marine is even outright amused by an Eldar referring to Slaanesh as a female. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodorowski Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, MitGas said: Would you or any other Git expert say that Gitz got nerfed? I hope they won‘t end up as one of the weaker armies again. 🙏 With just having seen 3 warscrolls and no points? No idea about the whole army 😅 but at least the spell has been nerfed quite a bit (-6 range and +4 to the casting roll) and the ability of the squigs redesigned to just afect the attacking unit (like the current zombies or flagelants)... Which you can or cannot interpret as a nerf XD They can still be a good army once se see the whole index 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Red Lines Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 42 minutes ago, Augusto said: The new Loonshrine mentions gloomspite warmachine Maybe the expansion brings some? Wasn't there a whitefang hint that gitz would be among the first battletomes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragest Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 14 minutes ago, MitGas said: Would you or any other Git expert say that Gitz got nerfed? I hope they won‘t end up as one of the weaker armies again. 🙏 Gitz was crazy OP in third, now seems like a normal book. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, BarakUrbaz said: Slaanesh has been referred to He for a very long time, despite being described in the lore as androgynous. I remember in the 40k book Talon of Horus an Emperor's Children Marine is even outright amused by an Eldar referring to Slaanesh as a female. Ah, well there you go. I wasn't sure about how He was represented in 40K, as I'm a complete ignoramus when it comes to that end of the lore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusto Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Remember not to look the 4.0 rules with 3.0 glasses 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 minutes ago, Frodorowski said: With just having seen 3 warscrolls and no points? No idea about the whole army 😅 but at least the spell has been nerfed quite a bit (-6 range and +4 to the casting roll) and the ability of the squigs redesigned to just afect the attacking unit (like the current zombies or flagelants)... Which you can or cannot interpret as a nerf XD They can still be a good army once se see the whole index 😄 From what we've seen it looks pretty similar to the 3rd edition book but with the op stuff sanded off. The Gloomspite were one of the worst abusers of rally in third with three units rallying on a 4+ from one command point. It was a ridiculous ability. To see the end of that kind of ability is good for the game even if it does make Gloomspite weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzaprez Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Back in the World-That-Was Slaanesh was often described as completely androgynous, so 'it' was appropriate. But in all the AoS lore they've always (to my knowledge) used the 'he' pronoun. Unlike His daemons, who are all 'them/they/it' nowadays. Even the Alluress has become an Allurer. I think Slaanesh can/should get any pronouns and it be appropriate. It makes a lot of sense that different cultures and individuals would have a unique perception of the "most impossibly alluring chaos god." I've liked the take that Slaanesh really is more of a mirror than something with a set/solid form him/her/it/themselves 22 minutes ago, Asbestress said: HOLY SH*T IT'S ACTUALLY REAL WE ARE GETTING ACTUAL CHAOS DWARVES NEW COGFORT MINI/TERRAIN VS NEW BALE TAURUS HERE I COME MY HOBGROTS WILL SEE PAINT! MY HORNS OF HASHUT WILL RETURN REGARDLESS OF BEING CUT!! MY METAL CHORFS WILL SEE ROUND BASES!!! 1 hour ago, Nezzhil said: HASHUT FORGE-CITY!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH Way past stoked, love seeing "Hashut Forge-City" in a key that'll be applied to all the realms. The second they're given any background in AoS, they'll suddenly launch to a faction with a footprint that dwarfs what they had in WHF in the Dark Lands. My boys were always stuck in the Fantasy Eastern European Hellscape! So cool to see them elsewhere. I've been waist-deep in my Chorf backlog the last couple months, real psyched to see them relevant again Edited May 23 by Pizzaprez 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodorowski Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 minute ago, Chikout said: From what we've seen it looks pretty similar to the 3rd edition book but with the op stuff sanded off. The Gloomspite were one of the worst abusers of rally in third with three units rallying on a 4+ from one command point. It was a ridiculous ability. To see the end of that kind of ability is good for the game even if it does make Gloomspite weaker. Yes, exactly. That's what I was referring in my first message with "tuned down". The abilities and spells have the same flavour, but putting them in a more standard power level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentia Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Have they given enough info yet for us to know if there's a difference between Control Score and a Control characteristic? The squigs are locked to Control Score 1, whilst goblins get +3 Control Score under the moon, do we know if CS is the total of a units control characteristics? (In which case it's a minor benefit to goblins but a huge obstacle for squigs.) Or is it the other way round, where you're modifying the individual Control characteristic per model and then totalling them? (Where the squigs would function kinda as normal, but the goblins would be extremely high scoring in the moonlight.) Either way is interesting, I was just curious if we knew for sure one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 33 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said: I would just put that down as general future proofing, not necessarily evidence of concrete plans for an expansion. This language might even be standard for all resurrection abilities. Probably future-proofing. Katakros’ ability currently only works on melee profiles even though the OBR barely have any shooting and none of it would be broken even at +1 to hit, due either to low rend, low volume, or generally just being severely underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Acrozatarim said: I also love that the Skaven have made progress in Shyish by dint of simply dying in such horrific numbers in the other realms I'm actually kind of annoyed/confused by that part. Like, an island chunk of skaven city bursting into shyish would be fine and good, but a new underworld? that's specifically not supposed to happen. Maybe they're going to retcon how underworlds work again in 4e, but in the past new underworlds formed in the wild magic of the realm's perimeter and drifted inward to join the established innerlands as faith in that underworld consolidated and calcified. In the aftermath of the necroquake and the formation of the shyish nadiir the swirling magic at the perimeter of the realm is gone. It no longer exists. It was all either absorbed into the black hole at Nagashizzaror exploded out into the realms at large in the necroquake - the energy of which was settled and siphoned away by Teclis. New underworlds aren't supposed to form in current day AoS, because the stuff they used to be formed from simply isn't there anymore. Unless maybe the skaven underworld was already there, and has simply exploded in size/power/population since the vermindoom? I don't know. Going to hold off on passing judgement, but I won't be happy if they go back on the lasting impact of prior events. Edited May 23 by Sception 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BarakUrbaz said: Slaanesh has been referred to He for a very long time, despite being described in the lore as androgynous. I remember in the 40k book Talon of Horus an Emperor's Children Marine is even outright amused by an Eldar referring to Slaanesh as a female. Ah, okay, the whole „it“ for Slaanesh is from before any HH books, I wondered why I see „he“ instead of „it“ so often these days. Edited May 23 by MitGas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 50 minutes ago, DinoJon said: Looking on the new map my old eyes must be failing me, I cant seem to find any temple cities outside of the map key. There was supposed to be a temple city north west of Har Kuron but I dont see it. I don't see any temple city in the old one either. Maybe it is something that was added after the first edition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 21 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Back in the World-That-Was Slaanesh was often described as completely androgynous, so 'it' was appropriate. But in all the AoS lore they've always (to my knowledge) used the 'he' pronoun. Unlike His daemons, who are all 'them/they/it' nowadays. Even the Alluress has become an Allurer. Yeah, thanks for shedding some light on it - I mainly read about Slaanesh before the HH series started, so it‘s old lore by now but back then it was always it, which I thought was cool, as it made Slaanesh seem more alien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 4 minutes ago, Sception said: I'm actually kind of annoyed/confused by that part. Like, an island chunk of skaven city bursting into shyish would be fine and good, but a new underworld? that's specifically not supposed to happen. Maybe they're going to retcon how underworlds work again in 4e, but in the past new underworlds formed in the wild magic of the realm's perimeter and drifted inward to join the established innerlands as faith in that underworld consolidated and calcified. In the aftermath of the necroquake and the formation of the shyish nadiir the swirling magic at the perimeter of the realm is gone. It no longer exists. It was all either absorbed into the black hole of the Nagashizzar Shyish or exploded out into the realms at large in the necroquake - the energy of which was settled and siphoned away by Teclis. New underworlds aren't supposed to form in current day AoS, because the stuff they used to be formed from simply isn't there anymore. Unless maybe the skaven underworld was already there, and has simply exploded in size/power/population since the vermindoom? I don't know. Going to hold off on passing judgement, but I won't be happy if they go back on the lasting impact of prior events. Evergnaw has existed for a while since 2nd Edition I think. It definitely predates the Necroquake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 18 minutes ago, Ragest said: Gitz was crazy OP in third, now seems like a normal book. I know one guy who would disagree with it because Skragrott got nerfed a bit. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 35 minutes ago, Asbestress said: HOLY SH*T IT'S ACTUALLY REAL WE ARE GETTING ACTUAL CHAOS DWARVES NEW COGFORT MINI/TERRAIN VS NEW BALE TAURUS HERE I COME MY HOBGROTS WILL SEE PAINT! MY HORNS OF HASHUT WILL RETURN REGARDLESS OF BEING CUT!! MY METAL CHORFS WILL SEE ROUND BASES!!! And what about "Lost Duardin Hold"? Di-di-di-dispossesed coming as well?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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